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Post by jrg Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:11 pm

You claim to be so up in arms about people lying, yet you pass along KNOWN LIES.
factcheck.org on the Clinton Global Initiative's fund raising and spending.  The video (early on, I stopped at that point) claims "its been reported that the Clinton Foundation gives less than 10% of the money raised to actual charities and the services they offer".  Yes, that true as the CGI is NOT a pass through money raiser (just adding another layer of management) but funds its causes directly, and 89% of the money goes to pay for such work.

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Post by GypZ Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:56 pm

Obiviously you are a clinton supporter..I didn't know they even existed CLINTON CASH OFFICIAL DOCUMENTARY MOVIE ( FULL ) 3508649203  ...How does one become one???? What is there to support...?
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Post by jrg Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:24 pm

Against Trump?  Yes I would ratter have Clinton.  Obviously you are a Trump supporter and you followed his theme, you completely ignored the content of my post showing that at least the first (and I didn't bother to sit through the rest of the video) accusation you passed on was completely false.

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Post by Jayzze Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:06 pm

I quess lying stealingand putting yourself above everyone are  fine qualities for being a  president. btw she is for the woman and blacks who support her. then name me one thing she has done for them besides taking money for the Clinton foundation from countries that  punish them.
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Post by jrg Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:21 pm

"stealing"?  You'll have to support that.

But lying and putting yourself above everyone else, isn't that the very nature of Trump?  I'm not saying Clinton doesn't do it too, but Trump is even MORE so.

The Clinton Foundation claims a fair amount of work towards women's health, education and jobs (https://www.clintonfoundation.org/our-work/by-topic/girls-and-women).  How effective is it?  Don't know.

The biggest problem for blacks in the US is poverty and that can only be helped by the economy continuing to improve and lessening the wealth gap (which I have no idea how to do).  I have no complaint at all about people making a lot of money, but I am not supportive of methods of doing so that do not actually produce anything but are entirely paper transactions so to speak.  This is something Trump has done a lot of (and he's built a number of properties as well, so I'm not saying its all this way for him).  His Atlantic city projects were this way, they lost money for investors (big and small) they put a lot of people out of work, yet somehow Trump makes millions.

What has Trump done for these groups?

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Post by Ssmith Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:33 pm

Well, I do seem to remember Bill and Hillary have to return/pay for a few things that somehow left the White House after they left.

One if the biggest problems with the Clinton Foundation is the conflict of interest from when she was Sec of State.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/foreign-governments-gave-millions-to-foundation-while-clinton-was-at-state-dept/2015/02/25/31937c1e-bc3f-11e4-8668-4e7ba8439ca6_story.html

This in particular is troubling:

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/21/hacked-dnc-file-shows-fears-hidden-clinton-foundation-donations-former-russian-uranium-exec/

And their still ongoing problems with what they've done or haven't done yet in Haiti:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437883/hillarys-america-secret-history-democratic-party-dinesh-dsouza-clinton-foundation

With all that being said, Trump is no angel either.  I wholeheartedly agree that the solution to the intercity problems is the lack of jobs.  Trump does know how to create jobs.  I don't think Hillary has ever signed a paycheck; let alone has the foggiest idea on how to run a business.  We just had eight years of liberal policies.  I don't think we need four more.

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Post by jrg Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:07 pm

Ssmith wrote:
This in particular is troubling:

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/21/hacked-dnc-file-shows-fears-hidden-clinton-foundation-donations-former-russian-uranium-exec/
Yea worth investigating for sure (this, if I've got my links correct, is about a Russian Government owned company buying 20% of a US Uranium mining company after excess or former execs in that company made a total of $145M in donations to the Clinton Foundation and there appear to be some irregularities in disclosing that), but this was not approved by Clinton.  This was approved by The Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States which is chaired by the Secretary of the Treasury and has representatives from Defense, Homeand Security, and 14 other agencies.   So the quid-pro-quo so to speak is a bit of a stretch.  Still worth a look.


With all that being said, Trump is no angel either.  I wholeheartedly agree that the solution to the intercity problems is the lack of jobs.  Trump does know how to create jobs. 
Does he?  He doesn't run a construction firm, or anything of the sort.  He is a developer not a builder in the literal sense.  He doesn't employ the workers who end up building the buildings he has "built" let alone the ones he just buys or licenses his name to go on.   I'm sure he knows a lot about getting financing and he is unquestionably a master of self-promotion, but that is not the same as knowing what to do to the economy to create more jobs.  I'm not sure Clinton knows that either (I'm not sure ANYONE actually knows this, ask 5 economists and you'll get 5 different answers).

One of the things Trump wants to do to (in his view) help create more jobs is get rid of the EPA and burn more coal, which I think would be a disaster.  The world IS moving to sustainable energy.  So our choice is to lead and sell that technology to the rest of the world, or follow and end up buying it.  I think the former is the better choice.

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Post by Jayzze Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:04 pm

for the record woman get 76cents to mens dollar for the same job that's pretty fair jrg just like all the kick backs for the foundation. btw trump has more class then the Clintons will ever learn
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Post by GypZ Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:09 pm

Another Clinton Associate Found DEAD, Bill & Hillary’s Body Count Increases!

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Hillary Clinton on Gaddafi: We came, we saw, he died
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Post by jrg Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:14 pm

One of the few (just two actually) commentators that I very often find myself in agreement with is Fareed Zakaria (the other being David Brooks).  I find them to very fact based (or what seem to be facts to me).  On his Sunday show today (GPS on CNN) Zakaria had some great graphs showing some of things Trump refers to as evidence that the US is spinning out of control (shootings, shootings of police officers, illegal immigration from Mexico, lost jobs etc).  The interesting part of course is that some are down even this year and all have a long term trend that is very much down except for a slight uptick just this year.  So the horrible gloom and doom that Trump is pushing just is not true.  The media hyping every bad event may make it feel that way, but in fact its not the case.  Very interesting program.

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Post by jrg Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:22 pm

Jayzze wrote:for the record woman get 76cents to mens dollar for the same job that's pretty fair jrg just like all the kick backs for the foundation. btw trump has more class then the Clintons will ever learn
I'm not sure what you point is here and if you want to show actual objective evidence of kickbacks go for it.  I'm not impressed by links to tinfoil hat sites. 

On pay disparity its in fact more complicated than that.  Women make less for the same job, but also and perhaps even more impactful is that jobs traditionally done by women pay less (to either sex) then jobs traditionally done by men (despite there being no inherent gender based aptitude either way, either gender can do either job equally well, but our culture has gravitated women to less well paying jobs).  Freakonomics had a good podcast on this last week.

As for Trump having "more class", you must have a very different definition of that than I.  I don't call calling people names, mocking people with disabilities and calling for people to be beaten up, classy characteristics.

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Post by Sam I Am Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:41 pm

One of many problems that I have with Trump is his reputation as a great businessman.  With his dad's help he made a lot of money in real estate when it was booming in the '70s and 80s.  When the real estate boom ended he ventured into the casino business where three of his four bankruptcies occurred.  The casino business opened the door for him to enter the boxing promotion business where he seemed to do okay.  He then got into the entertainment industry with projects like Miss Universe, The Apprentice ... etc.  Along the way he had Trump University, Trump Steaks, Trump Airlines, Trump Vodka, Trump Mortgage, GoTrump, Trump Magazine, Trump the Game ... etc.  ALL FAILED!  Basically he made a reputation for himself in the real estate game and wrote a best selling book that made him a household name, and when his empire collapsed he discovered that he could still make money with his name recognition and ventured off into a hundred different businesses using his name and his promotional skills.  Some of them succeeded but many didn't.  To many in the business world Trump had become a joke, and wasn't taken any more seriously than Don King or Don Lapre.  It wasn't until he struck the deal for The Apprentice that he really redeemed himself in the public eye.  It would be different if he had just built one or two large businesses and made them an ongoing success for thirty or forty years like the men who built Soutwest Airlines (Herb Kelleher) or FedEx (Fred Smith) or Oracle (Larry Ellison) .  Let's face it, how many people know who these guys are?  They're not as well known because they spend their time running their companies rather than promoting themselves.  But Trump has been all over the place, doing a half-assed job on projects that he really didn't put enough thought into before launching them.  Every time one shut down people lost their jobs.  To me that's not a good businessman.  That's a guy who loves to see his name on buildings and products and really couldn't care less about how his decisions affect the lives of other people.  We call that a sociopath.  That's why I can't vote for Trump (or Hillary).  The White House is no place for a sociopath.


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Post by Jayzze Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:50 pm

you do not understand jrg what I meant. its simple Hillary claims she is the womans champion but yet she pays woman less for the same job can you understand that there is much more but its quite apparent you will not understand it so stick with  your guru busters
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Post by jrg Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:20 pm

Jayzze wrote:you do not understand jrg what I meant. its simple Hillary claims she is the womans champion but yet she pays woman less for the same job can you understand that there is much more but its quite apparent you will not understand it so stick with  your guru busters
that "she" pays less for the same job as men?  "quite apparent you will not understand".   Yes you know me so well don't you?  Perhaps consider that a few forum interactions is not really much of a way to know somenoe or what the will do or can do etc.  Lets focus on posts, not posters.

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Post by jrg Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:37 pm

Couldn't agree more Sam.  While I have never met Larry I do have good friends that worked for him and he is way outside the norm, that's for sure.  The book "An Autobiography of Larry Ellison subtitled as "What is the difference between God and Larry Ellison?  God does not think he is Larry" is pretty entertaining and I think portrays him pretty accurately.  He is someone who makes his own reality.  When that syncs up with actual reality, as it did with Oracle (or America's Cup), its a huge success.  When it misses, like it did with Network Computing and Pillar Data, it misses big too.  But he did it all from nothing.  Having been in 4 tech startups myself, all of which eventually cratered, I have great respect for anyone that can go from 0 to billions actually producing a product.  It is so incredibly hard.  You've got to have vision, brains, manic hard work, and a big chunk of luck.

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Post by Sam I Am Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:40 pm

Okay, Larry is a bit out there.  Maybe he wasn't the best example, but compared to Trump he's a shrinking violet.  Maybe a better example would have been Jeff Bezos, Michael Dell, or Pierre Omidyar.  :winky winky:

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Post by jrg Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:35 pm

GypZ wrote:THIS SAYS IT ALL !Published on Jul 22, 2016
Tim Kaine states one "can't take classified information and give it to someone with no consequence" on Meet the Press 6/26/16
Clinton has not been accused of "giving" people classified information but having classified emails on her server.  All but 3 of these were classified AFTER she got them and at least 2 of those 3 were not properly identified as containing classified information.  Sloppy?  yes.  Lazy? yes.  Carless?  yes.  Criminal?  Not according to the FBI and the justice dept.  Are you claiming you have information or expertise that they do not?

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Post by Jayzze Mon Jul 25, 2016 10:02 pm

for the record if you listened to the fbi director and I quote ten of hillarys people swathe docs that were for her only . I guess casper the friendly ghost gave it to them. this was on tv live
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Post by GypZ Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:12 am

WHEN YOU JAYZEE,ACTUALLY START MAKING SENSE THEN I WILL LISTEN TO YOU UNTIL THEN . i still see your head floating in a bubble and the substance it floats in is called propaganda, and lies.that is very destructive for my country.....

But take heed all bubbles finally burst and so be it be prepared.For reality because when the facade is over and Hillary and perhaps others loose the false power they have over people ..

THE BUBBLE BREAKS ..i see it being pierced right now.!


In the meantime enjoy the floating ..!


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Wow! OUCH!!! question
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Putin would be proud.......What does no flags at her convention tell you?
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Post by Ssmith Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:43 am

(Hillary Clinton has shed her human skin and announced to America that she is a Reptilian from the Alpha Draconis star system)

by Mike Binns

CLINTON CASH OFFICIAL DOCUMENTARY MOVIE ( FULL ) REPTILLIAN-FACE
On a recent campaign stop in Charlotte, North Carolina, Hillary Clinton prefaced a speech in front of thousands of supporters by ripping off a bio-synthetic human mask and revealing her true Reptilian identity. In between sips of human blood from a metallic chalice, Mrs. Clinton outlined her bold new vision for America and the world.

The crowd was delighted by a surprisingly upbeat speech that touched on topics ranging from interdimensional wars of conquest to the extinction of all life that is native to our planet. Flanked by two snake-like creatures wearing pharaoh headgear, Hillary explained in gory detail what a second Clinton White House will look like.

Talking tough on taxes, Clinton assured the audience that the wealthiest earners in America will be forced to pay their fair share. Hillary’s economic agenda begins with many in the top 1% being dragged from their homes in the middle of the night and their bodies being divided evenly among a group of carnivorous creatures that will be arriving in our solar system by mid-2017. Clinton also laid out a strategy to end all armed conflicts in the Middle East by deploying a massive mind control satellite that is currently hovering around the star Thuban, 310 light years from Earth.

In a rare show of political bipartisanship, Hillary insisted that regardless of party affiliation, nobody will be spared from the wrath of the coming Reptilian regime. Clinton promoted her plan to create millions of shovel-ready jobs with the construction of human butchering facilities in some of America’s poorest urban areas. Heading off any conservative criticism that Clinton is constitutionally ineligible to be President because she was not born in the country, Press Secretary Brian Fallon explained that Mrs. Clinton assumed her human form somewhere in the desert of the Southwest United States around 2,500 years ago, and the Justices can interpret Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the US Constitution any which way they’d like from the burning pile of ambers that will be the Supreme Court Building. Clinton even joked about taking questions from reporters as she held a member of the Associated Press over her head and ripped the screaming young man apart with her bare hands, letting his entrails stream down her scaly face.

The Democratic nominee went shy of criticizing Republican opponent Donald Trump directly, instead she shrieked with delight as she displayed a large, glowing orb that contained Mr. Trump’s struggling family.

Jubilant supporter Nancy Shine told We Make the Funny, “Hillary’s dishonesty about the events in Benghazi and her mishandling of classified information over email used to upset me, but now that I know her whole existence was a lie, I feel more comfortable with her. I look for consistency in my politicians.”

http://www.wemakethefunny.com/?p=7206

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Post by Jayzze Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:04 am

why did you let the cat out of the bag
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Post by GypZ Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:23 am

Well i thought it to be a civic duty !CLINTON CASH OFFICIAL DOCUMENTARY MOVIE ( FULL ) Leadtheylive1
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Post by jrg Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:25 pm

Sam I Am wrote:Okay, Larry is a bit out there. ...
He knows how to make money...  In 1988 an exec left Oracle to found (what is now) Netsuite and got $125M from Larry (and Larry's VC firm Taco Ventures).  Now Oracle is buying Netsuite for $9.3B ($109 per share) which will provide around $3.5B to Larry!  sweet!   Netsuite isn't making money yet.



from their last quarterly report
On a GAAP basis, net loss for the second quarter of 2016 was $37.7 million, or $(0.47) per share, as compared to a net loss of $32.3 million, or $(0.41) per share, in the second quarter of 2015.
Non-GAAP net income for the second quarter of 2016 was $6.6 million, or $0.08 per share, as compared to a non-GAAP net income of $1.7 million or $0.02 per share, in the second quarter of 2015.

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