Wow, so what is this place exactly?

Is this place for investors or skeptics? Or a bunch of investors who became skeptics? I got here because someone on a blog linked here to some "encouraging" news. Come to find out, the topic had a bunch of replies of people calling it bs.  Tough crowd here, but I guess I understand. So, has everyone given up hope here?

For what it's worth, I still think something good is going on. I have an associate who was into brokering those equally mythical private placement programs. I attribute believability to him because he always made me money. Whether he or PPP's are totally legit or whether I was always lucky enough to be on the right side of a ponzi, I guess I can't really know. But we have built a relationship and I trust him.

Right now, we are into something that depends on the GCR to work out. He has a friend in Hong Kong that confirms some, but definitely not all, chatter we hear at places like this. My friend never bought any currency and never really encouraged me to when I asked. I don't know if that means he's down on the RV or what. And I'm not sure if you can believe in the GCR without believing in RV, but for whatever reason he's never wanted to get Dinar or Zim or anything.

So from what I can gather, some of this is really true from a standpoint of at least being attempted. How much it matches what we think it is, I don't know. When or if it will be successful, I don't know either.

Is this place for investors or skeptics? Or a bunch of investors who became skeptics?

Hi there sphanion
I think both of those are true. I've never believed in any of it myself since I first came across it two years ago. I maintain an interest because the whole thing fascinates me!

All points of view are welcome here. If people think it's BS they'll say so. No one gets banned just for disagreeing or expressing their views somewhat more forcefully than allowed on other sites.



One of the many things that fascinates me is: what will it take for the true believers to decide it's a scam. Ten (+) years of failed predictions, "it's this week", "it's done", "it's on the screens(but only the back ones)"

A well known guru in prison for previous fraud (TNT Tony)

The FBI asking people to answer a questionnaire about the scam

"If you or a relative have been told that you will make enormous profits from the purchase of the Iraqi dinar, Vietnamese dong, Indonesian rupiah, or other foreign currency, the FBI encourages you to complete this victim questionnaire."

(https://forms.fbi.gov/iraqi-dinar-investment-investigation)

Etc etc.

None of that seems to make a difference, so what actually would? What would a true believer count as evidence that this is a scam? Nothing at all? Will there still be true believers waiting for it to happen 50 years from now?

Or what?

Absolutely fascinating.

I understand skepticism. I am also in an old program that has something to do with special bonds in China. I gave up on that for many years. I only came back because of my friend and his track record and what we got in together recently. I realized the two investments were both talking about the same things. If I still only had the blogger's word who is keeping us informed about the old investment, I wouldn't believe any of this. But my friend, with what we've been through, I believe.

And the fbi calling it a scam doesn't do much for me. If anything it makes me almost believe it more. But that gets into another area completely. Just know I've seen stuff and done a number of filings with the government which the results confirm some things that you would call conspiracy theories.

I have also invested in the historic bonds, in both the trade platforms and private sales.  I believe it is 100% real, and the people who took me on I would trust with my life.

It's actually nice to see a post from another bond person.  I wish there were sites for us to meet and talk like the dinar sites.  So for a while I have been a lurker.

I've not really looked at these historic bonds before. Are they the sort of thing mentioned in this link? I realise you probably won't agree with this assessment.  

Exhibit: Historical Bond Fraud

I'm the biggest conspiracy theorist u will ever meet but I've never believed in a RV of the dinar&dong and let me explain why. i think we are on the edge of something truly amazing watching the bad guys"reptilians or family bankers or whoever you want to believe that has enslaved us" being defeated. I might be able to see people saying the Yuan was going to revalue or the Ruble or even the Canadian dollar because the GDP of these countries are in the trillions.  http://www.tradingeconomics.com/china/gdp      
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp 
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/canada/gdp
and they have vast resources but the currency dealers couldn't make any money off of them so this is where the Iraqi dinar comes into play. Back in the 1980's the dinar was worth over $3 and the reason for it was that there was only about 30 billion M2. The reason Kuwait's dinar is over $3 is 
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/kuwait/money-supply-m2
It has about 35 Billion dinar where Iraq has about 82 trillion dinar 
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/iraq/money-supply-m2
 That's why there is that much a difference in value nothing more or less but I really believe the conspiracy was that the Bush Admin along with Iraq started the ball rolling 
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=23473504
 That's why this thing has gone on for so long is that the figure is around 25 trillion dinar outside the country which at a $1000 a million dinar is $25 billion real money where it surely is not just in the CBI. Iraq and Vietnam has a GDP of around 400 billion 
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/iraq/gdp
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/vietnam/gdp
These countries are in the bottom rung of third world countries and Iraq is in a civil war besides and it's going to be the richest nation on earth LMAO. 
 Then you have Zimbabwe which has a GDP of 14 Billion USD 
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/zimbabwe/gdp
but these 100 trillion Zim is going to be worth a billion dollars LMAO. Where is all the money going to come from. 100 million people in three countries plus a million of the dumbest people "dinarians" are going to be the richest people in the world and the rest of us are going to be paying a $1000 for a loaf of bread???? Think about it. It doesn't take a mathematician to figure out it can't happen that way. The United States still has the biggest GDP in the world over 17 trillion 
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp
so a GCR is still going to make us the big boys.
 What's happening in the world right now is truly historic and Brazil is finding out the politicians and business were in the same bed and the people are rioting in the streets. It's only the tip of the iceberg and we will know we have won when the people of the USA know that 9-11 was done by the elites and that's getting close with the 28 pages that show that Saudi Arabia financed 9-11 and soon we will know who did it and then the people will awaken and like BushSr said string up on a lamp post. 
 I'm not sure about bonds but I have a felling it's a scam too. Jean Haines got scammed out of her life savings "$300,000" by Neil Keenan who was supposed to be working on freeing bonds from WW2 so good luck with the bonds but 100% definitely the revalue of the dinar&dong is a scam

Hey Skylar, check this out 
http://philosophyofmetrics.com/warning-on-scams-freepom/
http://www.fraudaid.com/Dictionary-of-Financial-Scam-Terms/historic_gold_bonds.htm
Remember some of the smartest people get scammed and I have a feeling you were.
 A Christian leader in Alberta who went around North America to different conferences bought into the dinar scam in 2013. I talked to him in Nov2013 and he said people he trusted 100% talked him into it. Ministers and Pastors was totally convinced that it was real. He committed $15,000,000 to charities for Xmas that year. Well you see he had to renege on the commitments!!!!

Not skeptics, realists willing to look at the hard, cold facts.

HERE'S SOME MORE 
http://www.fraudaid.com/Dictionary-of-Financial-Scam-Terms/historic_gold_bonds.htm
https://www.treasury.gov/about/organizational-structure/ig/Pages/Scams/Historical-Bond-Fraud.aspx
 LIKE I SAID I'M A BIG CONSPIRACY THEORIST BUT IF I SEEN THE FBI SAYING IT'S A SCAM I WOULD THOROUGHLY RESEARCH THE INVESTMENT BEFORE I GAVE A PENNY 
  http://www.coinweek.com/people-in-the-news/crime-and-fraud/nigerian-generals-dream-cautionary-tale-historical-bond-fraud/
https://eagletraders.com/advice/historical_bonds.php
http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7832&start=125
MAN THERE'S MORE ABOUT BOND SCAMS THAN THE DINAR SCAM LMAO NOT SURE WHAT KIND OF BOND THAT YOU BOUGHT BUT I BET MY ROLL OF CHARMIN IS WORTH MORE $$

sphanlon wrote:Is this place for investors or skeptics? Or a bunch of investors who became skeptics? I got here because someone on a blog linked here to some "encouraging" news. Come to find out, the topic had a bunch of replies of people calling it bs.  Tough crowd here, but I guess I understand. So, has everyone given up hope here?

For what it's worth, I still think something good is going on. I have an associate who was into brokering those equally mythical private placement programs. I attribute believability to him because he always made me money. Whether he or PPP's are totally legit or whether I was always lucky enough to be on the right side of a ponzi, I guess I can't really know. But we have built a relationship and I trust him.

Right now, we are into something that depends on the GCR to work out. He has a friend in Hong Kong that confirms some, but definitely not all, chatter we hear at places like this. My friend never bought any currency and never really encouraged me to when I asked. I don't know if that means he's down on the RV or what. And I'm not sure if you can believe in the GCR without believing in RV, but for whatever reason he's never wanted to get Dinar or Zim or anything.

So from what I can gather, some of this is really true from a standpoint of at least being attempted. How much it matches what we think it is, I don't know. When or if it will be successful, I don't know either.

MAN GUYS I HAVE A BRIDGE OVER TAMPA BAY TO SELL YOU TOO LMAO HOW CAN ANYBODY WITH GOOGLE FALL FOR THESE SCAMS NOW A DAYS OR LIKE THE DINAR IDIOTS YOU THINK GOOGLE IS THE PTB LMAO 
http://beforeitsnews.com/financial-markets/2014/10/private-placement-program-scams-2787260.html
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2013/december/billion-dollar-investment-fraud
HERE'S THE FBI AGAIN IT MUST BE REAL IF THEY ARE SAYING IT'S A SCAM

http://www.gideongroup.net/commercial-real-estate-alternative-energy-financing/private-placement-programs-and-trade-platforms.html
http://www.millionairemakeradvisory.com/my-ppp-experiences.html
http://insidetradellc.com/blog/top-10-red-flags-for-private-placement-programs/
THE OLD AXIOM "IF IT SOUNDS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE" USUALLY IS
 

There can be no doubt there are scams out there, and scammers using dinars and bonds to scam people.  I have read every link on there in the past.  And Kenlej, I believe you are correct that common sense dictates that no government can afford to hand out trillions of dollars for a single zim note.  There isn't that much money in the world.  There are also people out there who have waited over a decade for this RV to take place.  But just because it hasn't paid out yet doesn't mean that it never will.  Same as because there are televangelists out there that are crooks doesn't make all pastors crooks.  I have doubts that there will be a public RV in the united states where anyone can walk into a bank and make exchanges, but an RV will happen.

SkylarGlobal wrote:There can be no doubt there are scams out there, and scammers using dinars and bonds to scam people.  I have read every link on there in the past.  And Kenlej, I believe you are correct that common sense dictates that no government can afford to hand out trillions of dollars for a single zim note.  There isn't that much money in the world.  There are also people out there who have waited over a decade for this RV to take place.  But just because it hasn't paid out yet doesn't mean that it never will.  Same as because there are televangelists out there that are crooks doesn't make all pastors crooks.  I have doubts that there will be a public RV in the united states where anyone can walk into a bank and make exchanges, but an RV will happen.

LMAO There will not be a RV in the United States but a RV will happen.LMAO That old saying "A fool and his money are soon parted" goes great with dinarians. The sun will burn out and become a black hole before the Iraqi Dinar Revalues. It could Redominate but the 25,000 dinar would be the same value as a 25 dinar which would equal about $22 bucks. And you're right some pastors know they are scamming you and others really believe the dribble but it doesn't make it anymore true. Christ railed against the church when he was alive and he's disgusted of what the church has done to his teachings so the RV has the same chance as Christ coming down on a white horse and sending Satan to a lake of fire like the evangelical nutjobs believe.