Dinar Daily
Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.
Latest topics
» The Rockefellers and the controllers are freaking out right about now
Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential I_icon_minitimeYesterday at 11:16 am by kenlej

» Phony Tony sez: Full Steam Ahead!
Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential I_icon_minitimeSat Apr 13, 2024 11:51 am by Mission1st

» Dave Schmidt - Zim Notes for Purchase (NOT PHYSICAL NOTES)
Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential I_icon_minitimeSat Apr 13, 2024 11:45 am by Mission1st

» Russia aren't taking any prisoners
Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential I_icon_minitimeFri Apr 05, 2024 6:48 pm by kenlej

» Deadly stampede could affect Iraq’s World Cup hopes 1/19/23
Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential I_icon_minitimeWed Mar 27, 2024 6:02 am by Ditartyn

» ZIGPLACE
Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential I_icon_minitimeWed Mar 20, 2024 6:29 am by Zig

» CBD Vape Cartridges
Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential I_icon_minitimeThu Mar 07, 2024 2:10 pm by Arendac

» Classic Tony is back
Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential I_icon_minitimeTue Mar 05, 2024 2:53 pm by Mission1st

» THE MUSINGS OF A MADMAN
Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 04, 2024 11:40 am by Arendac

»  Minister of Transport: We do not have authority over any airport in Iraq
Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 04, 2024 11:40 am by Verina

» Did Okie Die?
Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 04, 2024 11:34 am by Arendac

» Hello all, I’m new
Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential I_icon_minitimeWed Jan 31, 2024 8:46 pm by Jonny_5

» The Renfrows: Prophets for Profits, Happy Anniversary!
Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential I_icon_minitimeWed Jan 31, 2024 6:46 pm by Mission1st

» What Happens when Cancer is treated with Cannabis? VIDEO
Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential I_icon_minitimeWed Jan 31, 2024 8:58 am by MadisonParrish

» An Awesome talk between Tucker and Russell Brand
Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential I_icon_minitimeWed Jan 31, 2024 12:16 am by kenlej

» Trafficking in children
Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential I_icon_minitimeMon Jan 29, 2024 7:43 pm by kenlej

» The second American Revolution has begun, God Bless Texas
Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential I_icon_minitimeMon Jan 29, 2024 6:13 pm by kenlej

» The Global Currency Reset Evolution Event Will Begin With Gold, Zimbabwe ZWR Old Bank Notes
Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential I_icon_minitimeSun Jan 28, 2024 3:28 pm by Mission1st

» Tucker talking Canada
Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential I_icon_minitimeWed Jan 24, 2024 6:50 pm by kenlej

» Almost to the end The goodguys are winning
Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential I_icon_minitimeMon Jan 22, 2024 9:03 pm by kenlej

Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential

3 posters

Go down

Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential Empty Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential

Post by Ponee Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:26 pm

Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win



A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential





Iraq is a bloody mess. The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria has extended its hold from eastern Syria into western and northern Iraq, massacring Shi’ites, Christians and Yazidis wherever it can. Meanwhile in Baghdad there has been a constitutional crisis, with Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki threatening to cling to power even though his own political bloc has chosen a different candidate.

The situation is now so bad that it has impinged on the holiday arrangements of our own leaders in the West. President Barack Obama, as he relaxes in Martha’s Vineyard, is at the same time somehow meant to be directing US warplanes back into action to succour tens of thousands of trapped Yazidis and to relieve the pressure on Kurdistan’s capital, Erbil. David Cameron, for his part, had to take time out from his holiday in Portugal so as to order the RAF to drop humanitarian supplies to the Yazidis.

Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential 453563774
Displaced Iraqi families from the Yazidi community cross the Iraqi-Syrian border Photo: Getty

But these are small steps that will hardly shake the newfound power of the Islamic State. What more are Obama and Cameron prepared to do to deal with the growing threat from Isis — which, left unchecked, would not only be a strategic disaster for their countries but a political disaster for them?

Faced with these troubles in a strange, far-away land, it would be natural for many westerners, including Obama and Cameron, to despair. No doubt many on both sides of the Atlantic are concluding that this latest spasm of ugliness is a natural result of the misguided Bush-Blair invasion of Iraq, that Iraqis simply like to massacre each other and that there is little the West can or should do about it. Didn’t our previous intervention just make things worse?

This is alluring but wrong-headed. In point of fact, while the US and Britain did create a disaster in Iraq by not doing more to maintain law and order after Saddam Hussein’s downfall, the situation turned dramatically after the success of the ‘surge’ in 2007-2008. Violence fell more than 90 per cent and Iraqi politics began to function again. The situation was stable enough that in 2010 Vice President Joe Biden bragged on CNN that Iraq would be ‘one of the great achievements of this administration’.

Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential 453563630x
An Iraqi child from the Yazidi community rests at the Fishkhabur crossing Photo: Getty




The wheels came off only when, after failing to get a Status of Forces Agreement with Maliki, Obama pulled out all US troops at the end of 2011. With no Americans looking over his shoulder, Maliki was free to unleash his inner sectarian. His victimisation of Sunnis made them receptive to Isis, which was being reborn in the chaos of Syria.



This history is worth reciting to refute the common prejudice that Iraq is a hopeless basket case condemned to perpetual violence. Remember how dire the situation was in 2006 when even senior American military officers were convinced that Iraq was lost and when senior British officers were sheltering in their Basra bunkers from incessant rocket fire? Yet within a year there was a nearly miraculous turnaround brought about by an increase in the number of US troops, a change in their strategy and the mobilisation of the Sunni tribes against al-Qa’eda in Iraq (as Isis was previously known).



Similar success could be possible now even without dispatching 170,000 western troops, because Isis has a major weak spot that we can exploit: it is unpopular even with its Sunni constituents. Already there have been rumblings of discontent from Mosul among Iraqis who are not happy to have jihadists destroying their ancient monuments, such as the tomb of the prophet Jonah, and telling them how to live. (Among other things, Isis is fanatically opposed to smoking and drinking, two activities that ordinary Iraqis love.) Unfortunately, past tribal uprisings against Isis were brutally snuffed out until in 2006-2007 US military forces came to their aid. The US and its allies, including Britain, need to mount a similar campaign to mobilise tribal fighters once again.


Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential 453495184
President Obama speaks from Martha’s Vineyard

It won’t be easy, because Sunnis are intensely suspicious — and understandably so — of the sectarian leaders in Baghdad. There should, however, be a decent chance to form a government of national unity under Haider al-Abadi (who, unlike the more insular Maliki, speaks fluent English and earned a DPhil at the University of Manchester) that would have more credibility with Sunnis and Kurds. Then it would be a matter of giving the vast majority of Iraqis, who detest and fear Isis, the means to fight back without having to rely, as the Shi’ites have been doing lately, on help from Iran’s notorious Quds Force.

What this means in practical terms is that the US and its allies will have to beef up their presence in Iraq. That doesn’t mean sending ground troops but it does mean sending more advisers, more intelligence personnel, more aircraft and more special operations forces. Obama has already increased the US presence to more than 1,000 troops and set up two joint operations centres with the Iraqi military in Baghdad and Erbil. He has also begun air attacks on Isis, which are being carried out from the aircraft carrier George H.W. Bush. The CIA has apparently also begun to arm the Kurdish peshmerga, whose resistance to Isis had been hindered by lack of ammunition and heavy weapons.



This is a good start but only a start. The US and its allies, Britain foremost among them, need to expand their goals and their means to achieve them. So far President Obama has talked only of containing Isis, of preventing it from massacring Yazidis or taking Erbil. That’s not enough. We should not tolerate the existence of a terrorist state similar to Taleban-era Afghanistan sprawling across Iraq and Syria. Already thousands of foreign jihadis, including many Europeans, have been drawn to Syria. If left unchecked, this terrorist playpen is likely to generate attacks not only on neighbouring states such as Lebanon and Jordan but on western targets too. The West’s goal should be rollback, not containment. In for a penny, in for a pound. If we’re going to bomb Isis, let’s do it right. Or, as Napoleon aptly advised, ‘If you set out to take Vienna, take Vienna.’

Defeating Isis will require boosting the western advisory and special operations presence in Iraq to somewhere in the neighbourhood of 10,000 to 15,000 personnel and sending aircraft that will be based in Iraq, rather than at sea or from distant bases, to facilitate a more sustained bombing campaign. Advisers should be evenly distributed between the Kurdish peshmerga, the Sunni tribes and some of the more capable units of the Iraqi security forces in order to make clear that we are not playing favourites among Iraq’s sectarian groups. Simply having western advisers present alongside anti-Isis fighters will greatly enhance their morale, professionalism and effectiveness.



The CIA have apparently begun to arm the Kurdish peshmerga Photo: Getty
With more American (and, one hopes, allied) eyes on the ground, it will be possible to call in more air strikes with greater effectiveness, as occurred in Afghanistan during the autumn of 2001. Western commandos such as Seal Team Six, Delta Force and the British and Australian SAS should also expand operations to carry out the kind of intelligence-driven leadership targeting that was an important part of the 2007-2008 surge. Such actions in Iraq must be complemented with greater aid to the Free Syrian Army in order to fight Isis on the other side of the rapidly disintegrating border with Iraq.

It will not be quick or easy to reverse the gains that Isis has made. But with the right strategy, appropriate resources and a little determination, Mosul and Fallujah can be retaken before the self-styled Islamic Caliphate solidifies its hold on a region larger than Jordan. However much they may want to avoid further entanglement in the messy Middle East, Obama and Cameron have no choice but to act unless they want to leave a new terrorist state as part of their legacy in office.


Max Boot is a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York.

This article first appeared in the print edition of The Spectator magazine, dated 16 August 2014



http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9287832/defeat-isis-yes-we-can/
Ponee
Ponee
Admin
Admin

Posts : 38267
Join date : 2011-08-09

Back to top Go down

Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential Empty Re: Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential

Post by Kevind53 Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:03 pm

I place the blame squarely on the shoulders of this administration. They pulled the troops out prematurely and to quickly for strictly political reasons. Now we get to pay the price.

*****************
Trust but Verify --- R Reagan Suspect

"Rejoice always, pray without ceasing, in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you."1 Thessalonians 5:14–18

 Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential 2805820865  Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential 2805820865  Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential 2805820865  Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential 2805820865
Kevind53
Kevind53
Super Moderator
Super Moderator

Posts : 27254
Join date : 2011-08-09
Age : 24
Location : Umm right here!

Back to top Go down

Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win  A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential Empty Re: Another Iraq war is coming – the only question is whether we want to win A successful military intervention isn't just possible; it's essential

Post by Billyg Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:11 pm

Kevind53 wrote:I place the blame squarely on the shoulders of this administration. They pulled the troops out prematurely and to quickly for strictly political reasons. Now we get to pay the price.
Yep, not how or who sent us. It is another war we entered and did not finish. I feel bad for our Troops and Families that will end up paying the price.
Billyg
Billyg
VIP Member
VIP Member

Posts : 502
Join date : 2013-12-13
Location : In my chair

Back to top Go down

Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum