OUTRAGEOUS: Muslim Nurses Complain Washing Hands Before Medical Procedures ‘Compromises Modesty’

OUTRAGEOUS: Muslim Nurses Complain Washing Hands Before Medical Procedures ‘Compromises Modesty’


Muslim nurses in the UK have finally been given what they’ve demanded—the right to not wash their hands before medical procedures.


This ridiculous demand derived from Islamic Sharia Law compromises the health and safety of every patient in the respective hospitals.


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But Muslims argue that washing their hands prior to performing medical procedures including procedures in the operating room, “compromises their modesty.” Now, instead of scrubbing, Muslims have the option to wear disposable plastic over-sleeves, which is hygienically equivalent to sticking two Ziploc bags over your hands.


The UK’s Department of Health addressed concerns that refusing to scrub could result in catastrophic consequences. “The guidance is intended to balance infection control measures with cultural beliefs,” a spokesman said.


The UK boasts that it “protects and promtes” the “majority culture.” Clearly, these new laws do not reflect English culture, at all. In fact, they’re putting their citizens at serious risk for illness and death.


Why is the UK allowing Sharia law to infringe on its laws? Tell us below!
http://americanoverlook.com/outrageous-muslim-nurses-complain-washing-hands-before-medical-procedures-compromises-modesty-2/10675

More politically correct stupidity ....

I don't care if they give them the right not to wash, as long as the patients are informed and have the right to refuse to be treated by the unwashed.  Of course, the unwashed should have their pay docked for the time of any such procedure.  If you can't conform to the rules of a job because of your religious beliefs, you shouldn't apply for that job.

Kevind53 wrote:More politically correct stupidity ....

Whoever created the term 'politically correct' really should get a boot in their a$$.

 

Nah the term is OK, it's an good description of the idiocy we see in the name of "inclusiveness" and not offending minorities, accepting immorality, etc.  Now the one(s) that came up the the idea that such crap was necessary ....
 

Well, this is pure "made up" crap from these EXTREMISTS because cleanliness is a form of ritual practiced by Muslims.
Having travelled to the ME I can tell you first hand that there are facilities outside mosques to wash & cleanse oneself BEFORE being allowed into prayer & worship
SO where do these clowns come up with "it's against our convictions", I have no idea.

Also I see sometimes too frequently articles here and other sites showing examples of Muslim extremism which is insulting since I have Muslim friends and know they outright reject these too.

DD has in my opinion been very fair in most articles of interest BUt when it comes to Religion & particularly Muslims there is an atmosphere of bigotry which doesn't smell kosher.

Did you see the recent UN report condemning the Church  sexual scandal toward Children ??? it certainly wasn't favorable.

My point being : Don't think your s*** doesn't smell.

I never was in favor of religious discussions of any kind in any of these dinar sites.

Ummm ... go back and read again. The article did not originate here, and there is not one anti Muslim comment.

It is implied Kevin and that smells just as bad .

Sorry I do not see the implication in anyone's comments. You yourself came closest in calling it pure crap and pointing out there is no real reason for this. Again, the article was brought here from elsewhere.

Speaking as a retired Paramedic (well OK, Critical Care Tech in NY, but basically the same,) and service on the Environment of Care Committee at a hospital, I can tell you that this is an unacceptable risk from an infection control standpoint. Heck, even false fingernails were considered a risk. Protective sleeves or not, you are placing the patients at increased risk in the name of tolerance, IMO a violation of the Hippocratic Oath, "First do no harm."

These kind of articles really in my opinion have no basis being on DD .

It's lacks class and is distasteful .

Well it is certainly controversial, but we have never limited ourselves to just the dinar, or just investments. As you yourself observed, this whole thing is pure crap apparently made up solely to advance the extremist agenda.

Well Kevin , I have a lot of respect for both you and our leader , Ponee and what this site offers .

I'm pointing a pure and indisputable fact that several articles with the headlines "Muslim this " and " Muslim that have appeared here on DD

It smells of pure Bigotry and I have all my life spoken out against Bigotry .

I grew up seeing my Jewish friends exposed & ridiculed , my black friends.treated as second class citizens and since 9/11 my Muslim friends subject to demeaning articles , innuendos and hatred .

This nation has a long history of bigotry . Probably número UNO in world rank .

I don't want any part of that .

Not to make light of it, but been there, done that, got the T-Shirt. I am 1/4 Jewish, enough to qualify for Israeli citizenship. I have a number of Jewish, Black, Hispanic, Native American, Asian and other ethnicity friends world wide, some of who have traveled extensively. 

Unfortunately, in any free society, you are going to have some who hate. There are a few here who have made comments that at least seem anti Muslim. It is not right, but as someone who has seen someone close to them lose a family member on 9-11, knows others who have lost loved ones to terrorism, and has good friends in Israel who live in more or less constant risk, I can understand why.

I would disagree with your statement about bigotry. While any amount at all is too much, the US does not hold a candle to what is seen in many other nations. There are nations where being the wrong religion, heritage, color, hanging with the wrong people, or being from the "wrong side of the tracks," can lead to beatings or worse. 

In contrast, multiracial, and multicultural families are not uncommon, at least not here in the North East. Walk through our downtown, wander through a few of our stores, and you'll run into a few.  They are here, heck I know of several personally, one in my immediate family. Yes, we have some problems here, yes we have some bigots here, but guess what? It is their constitutional right to be idiots, the first amendment guarantees them the right to say stupid, hurtful things.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It also gives us the right to call them on it, but brother, you need to use a finer brush than you are using. Don't slap that label on everyone. Face it, as the saying goes, haters gonna hate.

Could such speech be regulated? Perhaps, but that is a slippery slope I for one want nothing to do with.

I've lived in various continents across the globe and while they lack in terms if us in do many aspects , judging people based on skin color or religion affiliation is not as prominent as it has been in this country and unless you've lived abroad you are not able to properly judge firsthand . I have lived it .

I have not lived abroad, but I have many friends who have in the past or are currently. Some are in third world countries, some more developed, but more than a few have reported severe persecution of various minorities. In some cases, not even skin color or religious affiliation, but where you were born to or of. Some of the folks I now have to be very security conscious as saying or doing the wrong thing could place them or others in danger.

No I have not lived it first hand, but I have first hand reports from people I trust implicitly, so I will stand by my statement.

Go live abroad and get back to me ...

You should spend a eek or two riding around with me . I'm in direct sales and see confederate flags everywhere , not more than 2-3 days go by as I hear racist comments about out president most times the N word .
So please don't compare standards of living/ educational standards where we supposively outpace others by light years . All being equal this nation had its huge share of bigots .
You have to experience it first hand living abroad & here

Well, huh, ok. Well, since I was gone for the weekend, I did not get to interject earlier.
 
First of all, my posting this was not a bigotted endeavor.  ( Nor has any other post on Muslim Culture that I have made ). My focus was on the hygenic aspect of this when I saw it. I don't care who  it is  -- whether it be a total WHITE AMERICAN doctor or a MUSLIM, who is refusing to wash before procedures and surgeries for religious reason or any other reasons, I would have a problem with it and post an article about it if I  saw it.
 
Sterilization is essential to operations and if ANY ONE for WHATEVER REASON can not follow the highest level of cleansing care before operating on someone then they shouldn't be in that position.  Not because they are muslim, but because they are not following proper codes of hygiene. This was not A MUSLIM thing for my posting this.
 
Also, this issue transpired in the UK who, at this time, is having a LOT OF SOCIAL and POLITICAL ISSUES that are transpiring due to the growing numbers of mulsim immigrants going to the UK.  The cultural differences and the problems that arising IS NEWS on MANY LEVELS.
 
And because we are a site that deals with muslim/arbic topics of diversity, I see no reason not to post it.  Though I agree that this actual post probably comes from a slanted site, it does not diqualify the original origins of the topic and that the topic is currently in the news in the UK. 
 
I didn't post this as a muslim bashing topic and I didn't see the orginal comments that had started under the thread as being such.  It had no bigot undertones as far as my perception .
 
But it does have the thought that countries should not have to bow down to any immigrating cultures that is in direct conflict with a countries core practices. I do not agree with people coming from one country and taking residence in another and expecting the hosting country to CHANGE for THEM.  As Americans, we have no right to go to any country and demand to be treated as we would be in AMerica. To live like we would in America.  If we move to another country we are chosing to live within the regulations of that nation when we live and work there.  We can't go and DEMAND RIGHTS because we have certain cultural and religous practices.  What we practice in our own home in that country is our business but everything else... their country their laws.   Why is any country expected to CHANGE the entire structure of the way it is run to make sure we do not OFFEND THEM?  I am personally offended that America is asked to do this over and over and over again. And we comply.
 
Back to the original bases of this THREAD --- why in GOD'S name would you want ANYONE no matter what their religion is to operate on you without sterilizing from the tips of their fingers to their elbows as requited?  I don't want to be politically correct if it is to disregard common sense.
 
I conclude with, this was NOT a racist post until it was made into such, but more of a WTF are they thinking  post.

Well said Ponee, I will say to FG that I too am engaged in outside sales as a insurance agent, logging hundreds of miles a week across New England, mostly Vermont. I am in a dozen or more homes every week, and talk to 50 or so people a week. I rarely hear a racial comment, and can not remember the last time I heard a non-black use the N word. My clients run the whole range of society, and for the most part, are over the age of 50, you would think if I was going to run into bigotry, they would be prime candidates. I just do not hear it.

Yes Ponee it's definitely a "OMG" article and I wouldn't give these jerks any excuse for being unsanitary and they should not practice medicine in the west . My point was that this is not the norm in terms of Muslim practices as I have travelled to several Muslim countries .
Any article seen connected to Muslims I'm afraid does have bigotry overtones , it's just the way it is .
Kevin I do see bigotry down here in Florida as I stated , all the time ! And yes, being from Chicago there is prejudice down in the southern states more than other locations . My patients are almost all over 50 and it amazes me . I still see dozens & dozens of Romney/Ryan banners especially in rural areas . Amazing ! Get over it !
I mean geeez , he's the president !!! Two terms no less !

I don't beleive that the intent was to show them as unclean.  At least mine wasn't. But, this article, at least from the original publicating site was to reinforce that Sharia Law is being pushed full force into Western Culture. 
 
As for it not being common practice, you are referring to uncleanliness.  Uncleanliness, no,  but NOT SHOWING an Islamic womans arms IS common practice as it is Sharia Law, and THAT was the center of this article.   It is not saying that they are not refusing to wash because they are unclean, but instead because it is against their religion to bare their arms. Thus, resulting in the unsanitary conditions for the medical field. Which leads me back to the statement, if you can not fulfill the requirements of an occupational field due to religious practices, then you should NOT engage in that profession, in that country.  It comes down to  making a decision between your religion or profession. Or if you want to combine the two, take residence in the country that accepts your religious practices in your field of occupation.
 
On another note, I did not realize that, the above post came from a debate and many articles that began in 2008 and still is an ongoing issue for many countries.
 
 
To be more balanced, here is an article from 2008 from the  publication Zawai Muslim Matrimonials, considered to be a Islamic woman's magazine.
 

 
Should Muslim Nurses Expose Their Arms?
Posted by wael on 6/02/09 • Categorized as Knowledge,Women in Islam

Muslim nurse at the first Muslim clinic in Moscow, opened in 2008
Bare Below the Elbows: A British Debate
By Emdad Rahman
 
IOL Correspondent – UK
 
Controversy has once again reared its head after British media reported on the reluctance of Muslims to adhere to major hygiene rules. Minutes of a clinical academics conference at Liverpool University publicized the apparent refusal of female Muslim students at Alder Hay hospital to roll up their sleeves.
Further media reports confirmed that parallel fears were also flagged up at Leicester University, along with Birmingham and Sheffield universities.
 
Reports based on minutes of meetings between the various hospital hierarchies revealed that “A number of Muslim females had difficulty in complying with the procedures to roll up sleeves to the elbow for appropriate hand washing, whilst adding that some students would prefer to resign their courses rather than go against their religious convictions.”
 
Overwhelming Response

A Nigerian physician scrubbing her arms clean
 
The new guidelines on hospital attire and health etiquette are designed to tackle medical superbugs and infections such as Clostridium difficile and Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus(MRSA).
Naafis Saliha, one of the medical students of Imperial College London, believes that misunderstanding is fuelling hatred toward Muslims “by providing ammunition to racist media.”
 
“This story is working to portray Muslims as unhygienic and un-cooperative, and it has worked a treat, judging by the overwhelming response.” Saliha added.
 
Speaking to the Daily Telegraph, Dr. Mark Enright, professor of microbiology at Imperial College London, said, “To wash your hands properly, and reduce the risks of MRSA and C. difficile, you have to be able to wash the whole area around the wrist.”
 
“I don’t think it would be right to make an exemption for people on any grounds. The policy of ‘bare below the elbows’ has to be applied universally,” Enright stated.
 
Dress Code Conflict
Amir Khan, who has just completed TA foundation year What is this for newly qualified doctors, said, “Muslims were pioneers in medicine and science. Those who feel it a burden to raise sleeves to wash up as part of medical procedures are misguided and they are certainly in the wrong profession.”
 

Dr. Yunus Dudhwala
 
“Cleanliness is next to godliness, and nobody is asking anyone to perform a teasing strip show for their colleagues or patients. Do it in the privacy of a room or washroom for heaven’s sake, but there’s no need to be difficult. We have enough ill will as it is,” Khan added.
 
Through a research paper on implementation of dress codes and its conflict with individual religious beliefs, Newham University Hospital (NHS) Trusts multifaith manager Yunus Dudhwala stated many critical facts.
 
Dudhwala highlighted some cited cases in which many female Muslim — local and national — clinicians, nurses, and students have raised concerns about the introduction of this guidance and how it conflicts with their religious belief. In fact, some members of the Sikh faith have also found difficulty with the implementation of this guidance re the bangle.
 
“From an Islamic law viewpoint, a woman must cover her arms up to and including the wrist at all times except in front of her close family members. As we are quite aware, not all Muslim female clinicians wear wrist-length uniform and therefore this guideline will not pose a problem for that group that most probably will be the majority from the Muslim female group. It will be a problem for those Muslim females who may ask to cover their arms as they strictly adhere to wrist-length Islamic uniform,” he stated.
 
Dudhwala insisted that, “Muslim female clinicians along with all medical staff are concerned about the welfare of their patients and would never consider doing anything that may put the patient at risk. This includes following all policies relating to health and safety, infection control, and uniforms.”
 
“A Wake Up Call”
Miriam Hooper, a hospital receptionist, said, “Anyone flouting these rules should be sacked as a professional measure. There is a very real threat of MRSA in this country. These rules are set to deal with and target bugs, whilst promoting hygiene. These people are not fit to serve in hospitals in a civilized country; they should be sent to medical establishments in Rwanda or Afghanistan or Iraq as a wake up call.”
 
Neelufar Yasmin and Amaal Ali are unrepentant medical students; “The war on Muslims is still going strong – there is no evidence to support the notion that Muslims are unhygienic and flouting rules” said Yasmin. In fact this mudslinging is so pathetic that even hardcore Islamophobes are beginning to question the motives of the individuals spreading such remarks.” Yasmin wears full sleeves and sees that there is no qualms about this, and her colleagues respect her choices and agree with her totally.
Ali went further; “this is a throwback to the days when black people were viewed as sub humans, supported by the spreading of malicious rumours to sway the public – the only difference is that Muslims are a bit more difficult to enslave, what with the worlds eyes being wide open and the public are less gullible and don’t view the Daily Telegraph as society’s purveyors of truth. I actually wear short sleeves, but if my convictions stretched that far, I would not hesitate to cover up. After all, there is no risk to patients and minimal or equal risk of spreading superbugs as those with exposed arms.”
As part of his advisory role, Dudhwala has bought several points to the fore, “Employers must be aware of the risks of discrimination. When devising or reviewing a dress code, employers must ask themselves whether the dress code will require employees to dress in a way that contravenes their religion or belief.”
 
The Department of Health (DoH) guidance document Uniforms and Workwear, which is the basis of introducing “Bare Below the Elbows” says the following,
 
“There is no conclusive evidence that uniforms (or other work clothes) pose a significant hazard in terms of spreading infection.”
 
Based on empirical research conducted by University College London Hospital NHS Trust (UCLH), the DoH document concluded that, “Not all staff need to wear uniforms, and it seems unlikely that uniforms are a significant source of cross-infection.”
 
“Bare Below the Elbows”
In September 2007, the British Medical Association (BMA) launched its latest statement, in which Dr. Vivienne Nathanson, head of BMA Science and Ethics, said, “The BMA is pleased that the government has taken on board many of the recommendations outlined in our report on reducing hospital-acquired infections, for example the call for doctors to stop wearing ties and white coats in hospitals and how it was preferable for clinicians to wear short-sleeves.” However, Nathanson warned any new guidelines on dress code must be “practical, realistic, and sensitive to different religious groups.”
 
The guidance from the Central Consultants and Specialists Committee (CCSC) stated that, “However, the policy must be seen as a corporate image and identity issue, for negotiation, rather than an infection control issue which LNCs are asked to agree with without question.”
 
The guidance clarified that, “The CCSC is particularly concerned that the Secretary of State’s “Bare Below the Elbows” policy is not supported by demonstrable scientific evidence and was issued hastily in response to an intense period of media focus on the issue. The CCSC and the wider BMA support evidence backed policies aimed at fighting infection rates in hospitals but believes that such policies should be introduced on the basis of clear evidence and in partnership with clinicians locally.”
 
Muslims Clinicians Using Alcohol
Dudhwala’s research concluded that Muslim female clinicians working in the NHS fully support all measures taken to reduce infection risks to patients as long as these measures are based on evidence. “This is why they consistently make use of alcohol gel as a hand rub and encourage its use despite the Islamic view of prohibition toward alcohol. There are currently no better alternatives, and they recognize that fact, and the evidence is clearly available,” the research emphasized.
 
Dudhwala continued, “However in this case, according to what has been quoted above, the current guidance used for the introduction of ‘Bare Below the Elbows’ does not have the evidence base to be introduced and implemented across-the-board.”
 
An Opt-Out Option
Dudhwala has advised trusts to look at ways in which they can support their staff who feel they have no other choice except to choose between their religion and profession and look at options that allow compliance with infection-control policies as well as adherence to their religious beliefs.
 
He has also advised the trust to formulate a policy that incorporates ‘No Sleeves Below the Elbow.’ However, within the policy there should be an option for an individual to opt out due to personal religious or belief reasons. The individual who wishes to opt out will agree in writing (in a pre-prepared Trust form) that they will roll up their sleeves during every clinical episode and wash hands above the wrists after every patient contact according to Infection Control Policies and that this can and will be observed closely.
 
Pro-life, Pro-family Muslim Campaigner in the UK and in the UN, Dr. Abdul Majid Katme, the spokesman of the Islamic Medical Association has spoken at length regarding issues pertaining to the controversy.
Observing Islamic Modesty

Dr. Abdul Majid Katme
 
Dr. Katme has also highlighted avoiding exposure of the body, except for the hands and face, is an essential feature of a Muslim woman’s faith.
 
“Arms that are exposed are likely to pick up germs and there is available evidence that suggest and argue the case for skin being covered as being safer for patients,” he added.
 
During numerous interviews, Dr. Katme has suggested the use of long-length, sterile, medical gloves that reach up to the elbows; “all these prescribed washing rituals in Islam, which are done many times during the day will make no doubt, any Muslim female medical student or doctor less risky to their patients and will avoid them a lot of infections.
 
He insisted that exposed arms can pick up germs by the skin and the skin can be more protected and is safer if is covered. An idea, if needed,” it might be useful to consider producing some long sterile disposable non transparent gloves, which can reach the elbows for female Muslim medical student or doctor and to use when they are coming across some patients or in hospitals.”
 
“Last year one hospital in the Midlands manufactured some new dressing for the female Muslim women surgeons, who wished to keep and observe their Islamic modesty while carrying out operations.” He added.
 
Finally, he warned that “It will be a great loss to the NHS and to the community, if Muslim medical students are forced to leave their medical studies because of one small important modest decency measure. There is an urgent need now to discuss this important matter for our Muslim medical students with the Dept of Health and the hospital’s trusts in order to sort it out.”
 
What do you think of the stance of those Muslim female doctors? Do you have any suggestions for overcoming such an obstacle?
 
 
 
 
Here is the only response that was attached to the article :
Maysaa
2013/11/01 • 7:51 PM
 
Very Sad, in 2013 still the issue is on going. I had to leave my health care profession as I was not allowed to cover my arms. And I was denied the right to wear the gloves that go up to the elbow. Regardless of the Department of Health Uniform Policy 2010, it is being rejected by hospitals in London and the south West, from my own experience. The excuse I was given, it is too expensive to order these long gloves. And so after trying to get help from my union, who were useless and as expected supporting the hospitals and not wanting to help me. Waste of money!!! I had to leave as I no longer wanted to dress to please people, but I only wish to please Allah.
 
No evidence to show spread of infection from sleeves but I do agree this is another way of causing Muslims to neglect their religious identity and start to Lax on the religion. Which I believe to be the ultimate goal for many in this country, they want Muslims to assimilate to their ways 100%, they ask you to compromise on one thing, but then it will be something else, then another thing until you have left Islam completely and followed their ways. And we all know this is something the Prophet SAW has warned us about.
 
If anything, try work abroad in Muslim countries that allow women to cover, use your skills abroad to help those in need. There is no shortage of non Muslim Drs, and Nurses and other clinical staff in the UK. Train in the UK and use your skills abroad, that is the way to go. In Sha Allah I hope to do that one day.

Now , did you write this or the Goat ?
I know she would be proud !
Sharia law BS is not even respected by most modern Muslims

The first 236 words are ALL MINE and the rest just an article that I acknowleged AS SUCH....  Goat woman gives no reference to her postings and claims it all as hers even though she copies verbatim... So, by her standards, I am a failure.  My post is not long as it is only the first bit.  Maybe I should have put the article in a seperate posting as not to confuse people?

We are all just a bunch of racists...like the films of americans being beheaded and/or raped and/or dragged through the streets...those were all very cleverly edited to look like Muslim atrocities...