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Bruno wrote:HappyWelshGuy, Thank you for your opinion. Here is another. You quoted a person who responded to your post as saying "What the negative comments do, is to pour salt on our wounds."
I am one of those people who is gravely wounded. But the way I see it is that just as my wound is almost scabbed over and healing, here comes another empty "positive" promise that rips the wound open again when the promise fails. I do not feel it is the negative posts that pour salt on the wound. Quite the contrary. Those that post falsely promised hope are the ones with the salt shaker in their hands. Just my opinion.

Catherine wrote:Where is your original post?

purpleskyz wrote:Maybe HWG is operating from a personal and emotional point of view. Sometimes that changes what would normally be a more intellectual perspective. I feel bad that he sounds like he is in pain and hurting.

dinarling77 wrote:nice posts hwg and trb. points well taken from both sides. I guess you would place me in the negative nellies bunch, hwg. but here's my take on it, for what it's worth.

Last, but certainly not least, the person who has reached such a low point of desperation that they would contemplate taking their lives probably will do it regardless of ............[size=14]"Perhaps rather than debating whether or not negative posts push over the edge, we should all ask God to come into these folks hearts and souls and deliver them from their tormentors."[/quote]

I crack up every time I look at the photo with your cat in a tin-foil hat!

therealbutterfly wrote:HWG, I posted about a member who killed himself over the GURU info not coming true like they said. I guess you missed that part. So do we get into the who's suicide is more important? The point is you cant just target the ones who post rebuttles to the gurus nonsense without talking to the gurus who stated the intel to begin with. If the gurus didnt say it, we wouldnt be sitting here debunking it and then no one would be negative. Go to the SOURCE of the problem and you will see it didnt start with the 'negative' posters......

happywelshguy wrote:Hi! Catherine

Here is the original post.

I have no idea what happened to the original post, it just sort of disappeared



Sorry, but I cannot let this go, without making a few comments of my own.

Fraud in its simpler instance, is purposely designed / intended, in such a manner as to create a benefit to the person (s) committing the offense, which is a Criminal Offense.

I find that comments in your post are contradictory.

Anybody that has stated minute to minute, Monday cashing out Tuesday. 747's flying high, any of those statement are out and out lies. I'm not saying they are.

How can you state:

That such comments are out and out lies and then immediately following, state that you’re not saying they are.

This is definitely contradictory.

You are comparing Vague and Shadowy Posts, with no thread of verification, to confirmed statements from Iraqi Government and Cbi Officials.

I'm curious if you considered the amount of Misinformation, that is purposely being created by those entities. How would you describe such intent and purpose?

You state:

The gurus are either right or, they are frauds.

Really? Really?

These comments are quite Brash and nothing less than Insulting At Its Best, with absolutely no appreciation of the effort, by other person (s) to bring information to members of the forums.

I'm assuming that by your comments, you have accurate information against "All Persons Providing Information." to be able to make such rash comments

You state:

There is a lot of money being made on selling dinar. There is a lot of money being made on setting up trusts and LLC's. There is a lot of money being made on site memberships and advertising on these sites.

This comment is very broad in its nature. Are you suggesting (by your comments) that all persons providing information are purposely doing so to gain a financial advantage or, are you commenting on certain persons?

You state:

Being a fraud doesn't necessarily make you a criminal, just a bad person.

Fraud is an Indictable Offense and in the UK and Canada (where) I was a Police Officer, is punishable by 14 years imprisonment.

Once a person is committed on Fraud charges, it automatically makes you a criminal.

So, in summary, you are stating that anyone who has or, is providing information on the Dinar RV, that has been wrong is automatically a Fraud and should be imprisoned!

You then make a different statement in your second to last paragraph, a little more grey and Finish With The Statement.

Again I'm not accusing anybody of information. When I first got into this I saw a lot of grey areas where the gurus could be wrong but it wouldn't be their fault. But it really is cut and dry, isn't it

Again your comment is contradictory in nature.

In closing I personally find the accusations contained within your post, to be grossly insulting and I have to wonder what your real motive is, in posting this information.

It's no wonder that some genuinely hard working person that provides such information to help people and wants nothing in return, leaves and no longer posts information.

I'm also quite confident that persons that provide information through paid membership has obtained such legal opinion that the information is provided on a "Best Effort" basis

Catherine wrote:Where is your original post?

CaptnJerry wrote:Catherine, take your pick...

horizon wrote:After my day this is what I feel like...

CaptnJerry wrote:Catherine and Horizon....


CJ

Whose suicide is most important?

That comment doesn't even deserve an answer.

The
point is you cant just target the ones who post rebuttles to the gurus
nonsense without talking to the gurus who stated the intel to begin
with. If the gurus didnt say it, we wouldnt be sitting here debunking it
and then no one would be negative. Go to the SOURCE of the problem and
you will see it didnt start with the 'negative' posters......

therealbutterfly wrote:

Whose suicide is most important?

That comment doesn't even deserve an answer.

THe fact that you didnt read anything beyond that line tells me you are biased. Again, my point is, people have killed themselves now over BOTH situations. The GURU lies and the 'negative' posts. You are dismissing the fact that I posted a personal story about someone I knew that killed themselves over the guru hype and somehow your connection was supposed to be seen as more valid.

Now read the rest of what I posted:

The
point is you cant just target the ones who post rebuttles to the gurus
nonsense without talking to the gurus who stated the intel to begin
with. If the gurus didnt say it, we wouldnt be sitting here debunking it
and then no one would be negative. Go to the SOURCE of the problem and
you will see it didnt start with the 'negative' posters......

Now it would be nice to have a response to my post, that you seem to have ignored both times I pointed out that the gurus are not blameless in this like you want to say.....

GoodGosh wrote:Cool New Widgets! Is there one for back peddling....as in backpeddling gurus. I think just having a widget like this would give recognition to the guru and relief to the members!!

Oh nooo, no new widgets! But THEY are SO GREAT!!! I will wait for them. In the meantime Mods, can I put in an order for the backpeddler???

CaptnJerry wrote:

GoodGosh wrote:Cool New Widgets! Is there one for back peddling....as in backpeddling gurus. I think just having a widget like this would give recognition to the guru and relief to the members!!

Oh nooo, no new widgets! But THEY are SO GREAT!!! I will wait for them. In the meantime Mods, can I put in an order for the backpeddler???

Best I can do on short notice...

I will "Not" respond to any further comments.

therealbutterfly wrote:

Whose suicide is most important?

That comment doesn't even deserve an answer.

THe fact that you didnt read anything beyond that line tells me you are biased. Again, my point is, people have killed themselves now over BOTH situations. The GURU lies and the 'negative' posts. You are dismissing the fact that I posted a personal story about someone I knew that killed themselves over the guru hype and somehow your connection was supposed to be seen as more valid.

Now read the rest of what I posted:

The
point is you cant just target the ones who post rebuttles to the gurus
nonsense without talking to the gurus who stated the intel to begin
with. If the gurus didnt say it, we wouldnt be sitting here debunking it
and then no one would be negative. Go to the SOURCE of the problem and
you will see it didnt start with the 'negative' posters......

Now it would be nice to have a response to my post, that you seem to have ignored both times I pointed out that the gurus are not blameless in this like you want to say.....