RayRat Call Notes 1/17/18

by **Ssmith** Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:15 pm

TNT SHOWTIME CC (Notes by Adept1)

TNT Call 17-January-2018 Replay: 641.715.0623, PIN CODE 409029# AUDIO REPLAY LINK

RayRen: Good afternoon, TNT super-fantastic family! It’s Wednesday, January 17, 2018, with yours truly RayRat98 here. [We didn’t have a call on Monday because of MLK Day.] We need to do some catch-up, so this call will probably be two hours, and I’ll put the intel at the end.

We received some bank stories on Friday, and expected updates on the first of the week. One member to ask about dong rates, and no rate showed up on the screen; the manager said that happens when the rate is about to change, and he should check back the next day.

We haven’t heard back from that member on what happened. Another member was told that the bank computers would be rebooted on Monday for changes to take effect. That has not been confirmed either. Based on what we are NOT hearing, we can assume those changes didn’t kick in yet.

The third member said the manager said they would be calling the member on the 24th. If you are carrying your currency on a plane, make sure to put it in your carry-on luggage rather than your checked bags. You can carry any amount of cash within the US, and also overseas, so long as you declare ‘instruments’ of more than $10,000 value.

Another report on Friday was that a member’s back was to reboot on Friday. We don’t know if they reboot every weekend anyway, regardless of what we’re waiting for. We were expecting Forex to show the live rates after the holiday, and that has not happened yet. We do have one source saying “this is it for this week”, and of course we are halfway through the week. Another source said that the rate was now at .25… but that was only at the CBI.

At an airport somewhere in the Middle East, we tried to get people to confirm that, and then we got reports of that rate in the US, or rather what it amounts to here, which is $4. That was fluctuating, and not live, but it’s still a good indicator. I am at peace with that rate once it is fully live.

We did hear that it was live for 20 minutes in the UK over the weekend. We also heard that the CBI sent a message to the BIS that the issues had been resolved around payments to Kurdistan. If the BIS and IMF are happy with what the CBI is doing, then they will get the green light. Then Abadi said that Baghdad had paid the money to the Kurdish government, and now the Kurdish citizens are asking “where’s our money?” That’s what we have so far talking to our sources, and to several people who are on Forex, so that we can understand what’s happening on Forex, with rates only showing up in different places.

If the rate is .25, that is $4 for us. The US Treasury and banking sources are all saying “any time now”, and both are saying $3.71 is the rate. Keep in mind that Forex will show a market rate, not the official international rate; possibly this also means the international rate will go up for us. There are also rumblings of $5 and $6 rates, possibly for groups, and possibly if the dinar rate floats up in the market. All that remains to be seen.

Questions from the TNT forum

Q: Among what we all seek what would you say brings you the highest confidence we will be exchanging soon? Please elaborate.

A: Everything I just said: CBI, rumors from the UST and BIS, new rates showing up… all that gives me more confidence.

Q: Will there be a contract rate for the dong?

A: We have been told that there is.

Q: 1. Is there any word on whether the banks are getting closer to being comfortable enough with assurances, etc., in order for them to start buying the IQD for the approximate $3.70 USD? Or are they only comfortable once the IQD starts trading on Forex for those values?

A: I have every assurance that once it is on Forex, the banks will not have issues about exchanging those currencies – because it’s on Forex. We were told the banks are authorized to do so when they choose, and that they are funded for that activity. I don’t have solid information that it’s underway; I don’t know what other assurances they need to more forward.

Q: What do you honestly believe is the hold up on the release? And, what do you feel would be the benefit of doing so? Could it be a financial gain for the PTB?

A: Sure, money in someone’s hands (or not) is the hold-up – if there is a hold-up. If there IS anyone sticking their finger in the dyke, it will be for what they stand to lose or gain.

Q: 1. If one caps out (supposedly 500 million) can I only exchange a portion of my currency then take the rest to another bank?

A: I won’t matter; if there is a 500 M cap on the Zim exchange with Zimbabwe, then your name will show up at every bank.

Is the NDA between me and the bank or between me and the treasury or whom? What if I signed and NDA at the exchange for just ZWD and take my other currency to another bank and just take the international rate without an NDA?

A: The NDA is with Homeland Security. You can certainly take international rate for any currency without signing an NDA. I don’t know what result you are looking for. If you sign an NDA for the Zim, and exchange other currencies, and you still talk about the Zim, you know what is going to happen. The other currencies will be public transactions anyway.

Ray said that everything is negotiable…. is the NDA negotiable and can I add to the NDA that should they want to confiscate my moneys with a lie saying that I broke the NDA (when I didn’t) could I require a clause that they follow “Due Process of Law’ requiring a “Grand Jury” to implement?

A: I just said any normal transaction that you are agreeing to. An NDA is a special consideration, and there may not be negotiating where you already have a special consideration. I doubt they will allow any modification to an NDA [which would have to go through their legal department anyway.] I think you will have to sign it as is, or not.

Q: It has always been said there would be a lot of confusion at the end of this journey and It seems that is where we are. Are your contacts still saying Dinar still the trigger currency are has that changed?

A: Our sources never said officially that dinar is the trigger currency, but I do believe that it is.

Q: Are the US banks and call centers still on high alert for currency exchanges this week?

A: They are on some type of alert; the last information I heard was that there is no more ‘on call’, that the next call they get, they spring into action.

Q: Do you know if the dinar traded live on the Forex on Tuesday? If so do you know the price it traded at? Did you know or hear the IQD was live on the CBI for a few seconds on Tuesday morning before it was removed?

A: No, no, and no. Q: Is the possible 87-page NDA you mentioned going to be applied to all contract rates? Or will a lower contract rate have a shorter NDA? A: I would imagine it would apply to all of them, because the severity of the punishment applies to all of them. It’s about NOT telling anyone what happened.

Q: do you have any possibility to find out where in Germany I will be able to exchange my ZIM?

A: I don’t. I have no knowledge about that.

Q: Yesterday I called a lead bank, foreign currency branch where I’m a customer. I spoke with my regular foreign currency teller about placing an order for VND and Rupiah. She informed me that, they cannot process orders until Friday. She said there in the middle of a company-wide foreign currency system change. She then volunteered it’s “not” rate related. Do you know anything about a system-wide bank change?

A: Not yet.

Q: Do you hear any thing about bank’s verification of the currency?

A: Some banks verify on site, and some don’t. We’ve talked about this before.

Q: Do you suppose this is a bargaining chip for the situation around the government shutdown and the agreements they are trying to reach? In light of the probable government shutdown would they wait until that is resolved?

A: I don’t think so.

Q2: Tony mentioned Municipal Bonds. I’d gladly give 5 or 10% of what I get at exchange just to be able to exchange. Maybe choose a cause like help build the wall or hurricane relief. Is that still a factor?

A: No, I don’t believe that is a factor. Those municipal bonds will probably be offered to you after exchange, not in order to exchange – depending on your liquidity.

Questions from live callers

864/404 caller: The special envoy is in Iraq, meeting with various government people there; what are your people telling you about that?

RayRen: They haven’t mentioned that at all. 951 caller: I am holding a 3 x 6” piece of paper that says it represents 100 trillion Zimbabwe dollars; will I be able to exchange this? RayRen: So far as I know, yes.

Caller: So this is the one we can exchange, right? And the dong is at 47 cents? When everything is said and done, will you continue to the second and third baskets?

RayRen: Yes, yes, and we will probably continue with those baskets as part of our ongoing education in this area. For example, with Zim, we never said that IF there are bonds, you cannot do anything with them; I just gave you the information we received on what you may be holding and how it may be processed. That’s what we are being told Zimbabwe is going to do right from the gate. If you have Zim paper that is not in the denominations mentioned, then sit on those other denominations until they become exchangeable, which they may further down the line.

713 caller: [Twitter question] I would like to be on the short calls you do.

RayRen: Are you referring to Open Mic? That can only hold 1,200 people on that line, and the TNT membership is double that. There is no possibility of bringing you onto that call. Do you have access to the chat room?

Caller: No, but my sister does; I don’t know if she checks chat or not.

RayRen: Why don’t you ask her to give you her access?

NZ caller: I’m curious about rumors regarding changing rates of Mexican pesos and a few other currencies. Have you heard anything about that? [RR: No.] Do you think we’ll see a change at the CBI first, re: dinar?

RayRen: When the CBI posts a rate, that will change things everywhere; it’s also possible we’ll see a change before the CBI changes the rate on their site. The banks could say, “Come in, we’ll exchange you” and then we check the CBI and it’s changed. It could go either way.

Caller: Are you still under the impression there will be 800 numbers?

RayRen: Yes, but I don’t exactly know how. A few banks are talking about issuing their own 800 numbers, and other banks are talking about global 800 numbers. I don’t see how they can put that out at the last minute without hampering exchanges, but we’ll see.

407 caller: My husband passed and left me with a lot of questions. Is the list of banks that handle dinar still valid? How do I get access to that?

RayRen: At the appropriate time, we will post that in the public side of the TNT website. At the moment, there are 70 banks and three credit unions on the list. Timing is crucial here; only make your move at the right moment, otherwise the sharks will eat you alive.

303 caller: Forex doesn’t shut down for any one government; it runs six days a week. Do you know what rate dinar was trading at on the Forex on Monday or Tuesday?

RayRen: I don’t know. I think you can see it as rate, even if it’s not being traded.

Caller: What is the significance of the 24th of January that the banker would receive his customer (as mentioned earlier)?

RayRen: I have no idea. The member didn’t get detailed information on that date. Right now, our banking sources are saying “any time, any day”.

Caller: Will the banking seminars be regional or national in their information? I live in Denver and have family in Philadelphia – would it benefit me to attend the one in Philly?

RayRen: It’s beneficial if you want to be a client of that bank in Philadelphia. We have 13 locations for these seminars, with banks coming in to sell their products. On the other hand, we will be asking all the banks similar questions to find out if/why our members might want to go to that bank. I would suggest you go to the one in Seattle.

Caller: Of the banks on your list, do you know who has De la Rue machines on site?

RayRen: No, at the time we were only asking who takes Iraqi dinar right now. We didn’t ask about on-site verification.

RayRen: Gman, some members have expressed disfavor on how you press everyone for donations, and I have a feeling most of those complaining haven’t actually donated. I said from the very beginning that I wasn’t going to pay for these calls, and I wasn’t going to beg. I know your notifications have helped keep this call going. We still have bills to pay, and those who can help out, we appreciate that. We thought this would be over six months ago, and we still keep hearing ‘any day’. I know how snail mail works, and how some of you will get around to donating. I never called Gman and asked for him to ask for these donations to keep these calls going. The calls must be meaningful to him because he voluntarily gets on the call and asks for donations every week. We will keep on with the calls as long as people want it to be here and are willing to support it.

610 caller: if you are financially able to donate, please send your checks and money orders to Ray Renfrow, PO Box 1748, Elm City, NC 27822. You can find the address at www.tntsuperfantastic.com; click on the Donate button and send your check today.

Next caller: About trusts, do the people who put trust together, are they are experienced in the use of both statutory and non-statutory trusts, or do I have to go to a specialist?

RayRen: Statutory trusts ask the state for permission, and non-statutory trusts do not. It’s about knowing how to put the paperwork together. I don’t know that you need a specialist to do that, just someone who understands the difference and how to set up what you want. If you are not within the statutory jurisdiction, the state cannot shut you down; if you have to ask permission, then they can affect you later, and of course they charge a commission fee.

845 caller: My zim says ‘note’ on it, so I guess it’s a note and not a bond?

RayRen: And so does your US dollar. Do you have 2008, series AA? Then you’re good.

Closing Statement

Everything looks good, feels good, is good. I will enquire as to the next thing to expect. We expected to see something on Forex, and at the banks. I am getting some intel about dinar being shown on Forex but not being traded. It should be $4 US, but that is not a trading rate. I did get a report that it was live for 20 minutes in the UK yesterday. That’s all positive information; we are moving closer to the threshold here. What’s the next intended date? I will try to find out.

But there are signs of progress, and we will probably get more of that. The UST and banks are saying “any time” and rates of $3.71. It’s all good; we just have another wait until it’s “all systems go”. The BIS and IMF seem to be satisfied; Baghdad is claiming that they paid the Kurdish government, and the Kurds themselves are asking for their money from their government. We’ll wait it out and take each day as it comes. I do believe we are in the window when we can go and exchange. Then we can switch to “when should I go and exchange”… then you have a choice or a decision to make. We have to have the ability to go, and then decide if we want to go yet.

RayRen played I Believe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DYrqOUKLtA

by **Kevind53** Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:42 pm

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RayRat Call Notes 1/17/18

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