6/17/2012 - FIVE YEARS AGO In DINARLAND

by **Ssmith** Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:15 pm

Guru Hammerman: I got confirmation Maliki has resigned. He signed off on everything. He's not going anywhere anytime soon though. Maliki's resignation was time stamped for October. The only thing that can stop the RV would be civil unrest.

We were set to RV last night. It was supposed to go yesterday but the bombings that took place stopped it. Banking activity last night was phenomenal!! Iraq dinar started out at 41 cents at bank screens. Last speculated rate was above $3.50. The VND was at 11 cents, speculated to go to 15 to 16 cents.

Banks are saying the RV will go down this weekend!! I gotta cal from Homeland Security and there has also been some huge movement with gold. Some gold and paper currency was sent to the IMF. It's something to prepay for RV debt. Another contact said it has to do with Greece. All sources are extremely happy right now.

Smart cards are out in Iraq; even Iraqi citizens (foreign nationals) here in the USA received them. Iraq Military and the Iraq Government are using them. All will have them to use by next week. Smart cards are mainly for the distribution of all revenue when that comes out (oil revenues income). Someone said smart cards were for welfare payments (wrong!). There will be no welfare in Iraq. Any poor people will be non-citizens in Iraq. All these people (Iraq Citizens) will be FILTHY RICH, everyone of them.

Guru OkieOilman: We can tell you with great confidence that great progress has been made this last week by the entities that are heading up the Iraqi Dinar and VN Dong RVs. They are very carefully controlling and limiting the amount of information released so that they can get their job done. So please don’t take RUMORS as fact. Remember what we really care about is live public rate.

Guru BellaGrits: HAPPY FATHER'S DAY TO ALL THE WONDERFUL FATHERS OUT IN THE CASTLE TODAY!!! HOPE YOU HAD A RELAXING DAY.... I DON'T WANT TO ELABORATE MUCH....BUT WOW, THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT DAY FOR NOT ONLY FATHER'S BUT AS A DINARIAN....HMPH! IT APPEARS THINGS ARE FIRING UP..... LINING UP.......AND WE EXPECT THIS REVAL TO COME AT ANYTIME.....

FOR THOSE THAT CHOOSE TO BELIEVE THE IRAQI NEWS.... I'M NOT SO SURE THEY ARE EVEN DENYING THE PROGRESS.....THEN AGAIN, LOOK AT OUR MEDIA??? A GLOBAL CURRENCY RESET? REALLY? THEY ARE TELLING THE WORLD? THE U.S.A. IS REPORTING IT? REMARKABLE!!! GET READY PEOPLE...WE ARE IN THE FINAL STAGES OF THIS EVENT..... I AM SO VERY HAPPY FOR ALL OF YOU, AND I HAVE TO ADMIT....I AM HAPPY MYSELF! Smile

Guru Studley:   Ok all, there is a very good reason I can't come in more often, SILENCE IS GOLDEN, way more gets done when no one truly knows what is happening, issues get resolved, no more docs to be signed, no issues with Iraq, this event is WAY BIGGER THAN IRAQ, patience my friends.... the noose is tightening like never before... timing is everything.... better get used to eating chinese food.... logistics around the world is coming to an end.... please hold on... Take care

watch EU events, Greece is only the beginning, focus on Italy, and Spain, dominos are falling, READ BETWEEN THE LINES, DARK FORCES ARE TRYING TO COVER UP THE TRUTH, truth will appear shortly,

it will be like a dam breaking, first you will see the cracks, then, it will burst, watch what the Fed Reserve does.... very telling if the central banks can keep their charades going.... the good forces are trying to make changes without upseting the apple cart... only time will tell if this is possible....

oh by the way, watch the markets, stock, and commodities, very telling if we see anomolies in the markets, if commodities and stocks move in unison it means they are being manipulated, very dangerous trends, watch the USD and EURO, u will see trends, they should move in opposite directions, watch the major players in government, they are all jockeying for position, waiting for the global shift.... we are in this ship together, hang on, it might get bumpy...

Guru SoonerPatriot: As we approach this RV we have tons of positives today that this is on the cusp of coming to fruition. These positives are supported by strong intel such as banks manning call centers, certain IT initiatives that needed to be completed and are, plus a host of other initiatives that needed completion and now are done.

The RV is done. It is out of our hands and we have no influence on the rate, the time, or whether whales have cashed out before us. We also have no control over the Greek vote, or whether it impacts upon the European Union. All this has minimal impact upon the RV before us and we have no control over it even if it does impact in some way.

Guru Phoenix3333: Iraqi Dinar and CBI ~ Change the form of currency is necessary to reduce the money supply and does not require a new law!! "Change the form of currency is necessary to reduce the money supply and does not require a new law. Reported decision of the Economic Committee MP for the Kurdish coalition blocs Mahma Khalil, that change the shape of the local currency after deletion of zeros of the three of them do not need new legislation of its own because the law of Iraqi banks allowed the central bank to issue a new currency and select the shape. Although the Iraqi constitution, refusing to issue or print a new currency and selection form by the Central Bank without new legislation permits this, but that the law of the Central Bank of the year (2004) grant the central authority to change the form of currency and issuance new look."

Guru Footforward: OK SOMETHING I HAVE TO ADDRESS BECAUSE I GET PEOPLE ASKING ME ABOUT THIS ALL DAY. SO ODDS ARE OTHERS ARE ASKING THE SAME QUESTION....

FIRST OFF ITS A 100% ACCURATE FACT THAT CH 7 CAN NOT BE REMOVED WITHOUT AN RV....SO THAT MEANS ITS IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO BE WAITING ON CH7 REMOVAL FOR THE SECOND TIME.

THERE IS THIS THINKING THAT FOR SOME REASON IRAQ WANTS TO BE IN CH7. YET WHEN I ASK WHY ON EARTH THEY WOULD WANT THAT, NO ONE SEEMS TO BE ABLE TO GIVE ME A GOOD REASON. WHY? THERE ISN'T ONE. IRAQ WANTS OUT OF CH 7 DESPERATELY.  SO THAT ALONE SHOULD POINT OUT THIS ISN'T IN IRAQ'S HANDS. IRAQ IS NOT IN CONTROL.....NEVER HAS BEEN – NEVER WILL BE.

IF IT WAS UP TO THEM THEY WOULD HAVE HAD SANCTIONS REMOVED BACK IN 2000 OR EARLIER.  IRAQ HAS BEEN DOWN IN THE DUMPS LONG ENOUGH.....AND THEY ARE WORKING WITH THE GOOD GUYS TO HAVE THE MOST POWERFUL CURRENCY IN THE M.E. LAST TIME I CHECKED, 86 CENTS ISN'T GOING TO DO THAT -- AND YOU KNOW THEIR BUDGET IS SET AT NEARLY 4 BUCKS FOR 2012. I COULD GO ON...

DO YOU WANT MY HONEST OPINION ON WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN TOMORROW?  I’M GOING TO SHARE. BUT PLEASE DON'T FREAK OUT...

I EXPECT THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE A TON OF CHAOS SUN, MON, TUES AND FOR THE MARKETS TO ALL BUT CRASH EARLY NEXT WEEK, AND THEN LATER IN THE WEEK, OR CLOSER TO THE END OF THE MONTH, THERE WILL BE A "SOLUTION" OF A NEW FINANCIAL SYSTEM PUT IN PLACE. AGAIN THIS CAN GO ANY TIME, BUT THIS IS MY GUT FEELING. I’M MORE THEN OK IF THIS HAPPENS SOONER THEN THAT. MORE THAN LIKELY LATER IN THE WEEK OR TOWARDS THE END OF THE MONTH. MY GUT FEELING. THAT’S IT. DON'T TAKE IT FOR MORE THEN IT IS. – THAT’S NOT BASED ON INTEL -- JUST MY GUT FEELING.

INTEL SAYS RIGHT NOW-MY GUT SAYS END OF THE MONTH- I DONT KNOW WHY. I JUST PROMISED ID ALWAYS BE HONEST WITH YOU GUYS...EVEN IF YOU GUYS SAY YOU DIDN’T LIKE IT.  I ALSO SAID I COULD BE WRONG AND WAY OFF BASE.  I’M IN NO WAY SAYING THIS HAS TO BE AT THE END OF THE MONTH. PLEASE READ ALL OF WHAT I ACTUALLY SAID.

GUYS, UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE A PLAUSIBLE EXPLANATION FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC FOR THE CHANGE. IN ORDER FOR THERE TO BE A CHANGE THERE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOMETHING DRASTIC TAKING PLACE.

THEY WONT TELL PEOPLE ABOUT THE WGS OR THE PPS... ITS NOT GOING TO BE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE. GREECE IS PART OF IT, BUT IT KNOCKS DOWN THE OTHER DOMINOES.

FYI...VND WILL NOT GO WITHOUT THE DINAR.  I WAS ALSO CLEAR THIS CAN GO ANY TIME---ITS MY OPINION THAT GOD HAS MADE IT CLEAR FOR MONTHS THAT NOW IS THE TIME AND WE HAVE TO DO OUR PART AND ACCEPT THE BLESSING. AGAIN, THAT’S JUST MY OPINION.

ONLY TIME LINE I'M INTERESTED IN AT THE END OF THE DAY....BUT PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO HEAR THAT.
ANYWAYS,  I DON’ T WANT TO START A DEBATE.....WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING....THE RV AND TO GO TO THE BANK...SO FOCUS ON THAT!   Footforward

Guru Doc: We have seen a flury of wrong information posted on many sites this past week. First, the discussion on Iraq/Kuwait and chapter 7 by the UNSC is scheduled for Tuesday, June 19 and not yesterday (Friday) as many reported. Friday was simply the date to get the reports to the UNSC for review. Unfortunately the initial reaction to the report is not as favorable as we would have hoped. It was reported that Ban Ki-moon "..expressed regret yesterday for lack of tangible progress in the issue of missing Kuwaitis and Kuwaiti property in Iraq." And it was further reported that the report recommended that the international coordinator be funded through the end of the year. While we will obviously wait and see what happens Tuesday our hopes of chapter 7 release are somewhat diminished. This initial response to the report was less than a glowing review.

As you have ascertained the "whale cash out" rumor is completely bogus. Also all the reports of Talabini and Maliki resigning are simply unofficial, unconfirmed rumors. We continue to be amazed at the volume of rumors that are reported as facts especially as key dates approach such as the UNSC review on Tuesday. We encourage all to stay grounded and look for official confirmed reports of chapter 7 release and Ebril resolution. Until we see these events we will continue to be stuck in the twilight zone. We report, you decide.

Guru Historian: Historian – Messaging may say “It Failed” before “Global Reset” – June 17/2012

Hello Everyone!

Here is an extract from an Associated Press article that is significant for the RV and “global reset”. Mainstream media declares that key portions of the current financial model do not work at the design level.

This article comments on the Eurozone model in light of the Greek crisis. The key words are in the 3rd paragraph from the end of the article: “all the design flaws are becoming apparent.”

Associated Press | June 16, 2012, 9:58 AM EDT | How shock waves will hit US if Greece drops euro | NEW YORK (AP) ….. “Putting 17 countries together to share a common currency worked well when Europe prospered.

Now that they're struggling, "all the design flaws are becoming apparent," he says. “And every solution that's supposed to fix a problem creates another problem.”

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MAPPING_GREECES_EXIT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-06-16-09-58-56

(Credits and thanks to Leo for finding this article.)

If those driving this RV have a communications strategy that is set on managing optics or public opinion, then we will hear conclusions about the failure of the current financial model in mainstream media before we see the RV and “global reset”.

From a PR perspective, they would need to publicize that it has failed before they could move to fix it.

If those driving this RV, however, DO NOT care about optics or public opinion or prefer to explain it after the fact, then they can RV whenever this wish.

I prefer the latter of the 2 options. Everyone already knows that the current financial system and the Eurozone experiment are dismal failures.

UWe do not need the media or anyone else to confirm it. We need to replace what does not work with something that does, and move on. And the sooner, the better.

Have a great day! And GO RV! Smile

Historian

Guru BGG:    Most of what we have heard over the last month from the various Maliki camps and what we’ll hear coming up is just posturing. They have virtually no chance and now they know it. The SLC, Dawa party and NA are doing everything they can to try and stem the tide of this sentiment. It won’t happen. This is a runaway freight train and this coming week will be very interesting.

if it’s truly a “secret ballot” it will be even worse...for Maliki. It will be a “landslide” – he has a very short, final window of opportunity. He has no major supporters and time is almost out. However, I do get the sense that he either intends to resign or fully implement – I always had the impression he would fight…it just doesn’t look like it right now...the only thing that might save Maliki is the magnificent pressure being applied gets him to “live up to” his end of the deal. Period. Other than that – he’s a “dead man walking”.

Guru Poppy3:   guys i am hurt and staying all doped up . hard to answer ph or this note is very hard to do. I have several broken bones in fact all bones on my right shoulder are broken plus three ribs.

pain has been awful but they have me on a much stronger meds now and i am getting some relief finally.

I had to go to a specialist two days after i got out of the hospital to find out I had two broken bones they didn't even find.

OK I am out of the loop on the dinar except for a few sources that have manage to get news to me and I do appreciate them. ALL IS VERY WELL WITH THE RV . It is still dependent on timing on Maliki situation regardless of what many are telling you. hang tuff and i will also.

They should act yea or nay of M between the the 19th and 22nd then move fast to get us our rv.

Guru Mike:    we know they are going to do whatever they are going to do with their political process but it is our opinion what we really need to have is Oil and Gas Law done. They can fight for the power once Parliament is in on the 21st but the 140/Oil & gas is so very important. ["continued in post 6...stay tuned"]

Guru Dinar Wishes:   Peeps and Squirrels I must say I have been out of chat for a few reasons.... Most of which I think too much information has been let out or too much Mis-information has been let out.... I will say for the record.... Something has to happen very soon as in before the end of the month if not sooner.... I feel it will come when we least expect it....
Guru BobGetz6: I THINK IT WILL HAPPEN TODAY/TOMORROW... THEY HAVE A PERFECT SET UP GOING

Guru Winalot: THE WHOLE WORLD MEDIA IS FOCUISED ON GREECE, THINKING IT IS GONNA CAUSE MAJOR ISSUES WITH CURRENCY GLOBALLY

Guru Enorrste: Enorrste (Part 1): You may recall that Abdul Hussein Anbuge was one of those interviewed in the now infamous LOP article that we took apart a few days ago.This article falls in line with that article but is now limited to the one person only.

He offers 10 reasons why, in his opinion, the "remove the three zeros" project should be indefinitely tabled. Unfortunately none of his reasons deals accurately with the situation. His first "reason" is a simple matter of opinion: aren't there enough other things to worry about in Iraq that changing the currency?

Of course since he doesn't understand the process, even though it has been adequately explained by the CBI, he goes on to provide other "reasons" why this is such a bad idea, all of which are based on a false premise. The simple fact is that the plan has been in place for over 5 years, and is a major element in the overall recovery plan for Iraq. So the answer to this question is an unqualified YES!

This is important and does need to be addressed now, in spite of the fact that there are other issues in Iraq that also need to be addressed.

His second reason is also based on a false premise. By failing to understand that the project involves an RV instead of a LOP, he doesn't understand that the RV will CURE the inflationary pressures rather than exacerbate them.

He also doesn't believe that the project will "contribute to the value of the dinar." Unfortunately, this statement runs directly in the face of the CBI's statements to the contrary. The CBI has stated clearly that the project will definitely contribute to the value of the dinar. Therefore, we see that Mr. Anbuge is just uninformed.

His third "reason" has been mentioned by others: the cost of the new currency is too high and the money could be better used elsewhere.

6-17-2012 Enorrste (Part 2): The CBI has stated that the cost of printing a new currency is about $150 million, or less than the amount of dollars sold at auction on a SINGLE DAY by the CBI. In other words, the cost is not high at all. Furthermore, the new currency will eliminate counterfeiting and fraud, both of which have a signicant ONGOING cost at the present time in Iraq. Therefore, the overall affect of printing the new currency may well lead to a SAVINGS rather than an expenditure!

The fourth reason is almost laughable, namely that the Iraqi people will suffer psychologically when 3 zeros are LOPPED off their currency (as he sees it now). Once again he fails to see that the project involves and RV and not a LOP. Therefore, he doesn't understand that the people will benefit greatly from the RV. In short, there will be NO psychological impact on the people except a POSITIVE one as their wealth increases.

The fifth reason has also been expressed before, namely that the project will lead to corruption and money laundering. I find this one to be the most humorous, because there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that this would occur.

It is an argument made out of thin air and has no evidence to support it. In fact we read yesterday that 35 banks have now entered fully into the electronic banking that the CBI and IMF have been working on for some time now. The issuance of a new currency will in fact REMOVE any opportunity for money laundering or corruption, rather than create it.

The sixth reason is one that might have merit, were it not for the fact that the CBI has been managing this through seminars and symposiums to clarify the "process" so that the complexity of the project is minimized. Admittedly switching from one currency to another is complex, and even more so when performing an RV at the same time, but it is not as if this has never been done before!

The CBI has numerous other country examples to look to for guidance during this process. So why should it be any more difficult in Iraq than it was in other countries? After all, they survived the process, right? In short, this is a spurious argument that has fear as its basis, rather than logic.

6-17-2012 Enorrste (Part 3):The seventh reason is once again based on a false premise (the LOP theory). He claims that people will "clam up" and stop spending due to "confusion". However, just the opposite will occur when the project involves and RV instead of a LOP. With more wealth spending will INCREASE, as will CONFIDENCE.

There will be no confusion and certainly won't be any slowdown in the economy. Reason number 8 is really weak. He claims that there will be no real difference in "accounting". For instance, he says, if something cost 12550 dinars before the project it would cost 12.550 dinars after the project (or in other words, the same amount of "numbers" but just a movement of the decimal point). My response to this argument is simple: SO WHAT? This is no reason not to go ahead with the project, and carries no weight at all when there are many other POSITIVE reasons for the project to proceed, as stated numerous times by economists, Saleh, and others.

Reason number 9 is about the same as number 8. It again assumes a LOP. However, when it is understood that an RV is in the mix, then the reason fails. A man who made 1 million dinars monthly prior to the RV would have a salary of 1000 dinars after the RV.

In other words, his salary "value" would not change. The 1000 dinars would be "worth" what the million dinars had been worth prior to the RV.

The "number of banknotes" will not change (he is correct on this point) but the MONEY SUPPLY will drop from 30 trillion dinars to 30 billion dinars after the three zero notes are removed.

Therefore, his point is pointless, because he is counting bank notes instead of MONEY SUPPLY. Who cares how many bank notes there are? What matters is that the MONEY SUPPLY drops, which it will, causing the dinar to become one of the most powerful currencies on the planet.

The final tenth reason is spurious as well. He claims that there will be problems with the money supply because "good money forces out bad/old money". This is called Cretiam's Law, and the CBI is COUNTING ON THIS as a part of the removal of the large notes process!

Rather than creating a problem it is actually solving one. The large notes (old/bad money) will disappear quickly after the new small denom notes are introduced in 2013. In addition the old/bad small notes will also disappear quickly. This is in complete agreement with the plan of the CBI.

Therefore, reason 10 has no bearing in terms of being a negative. Well, there you have it. Once again the "bad guys" are shown to have false premises, faulty understanding of the process, and possibly motivations that have nothing to do with the goals of the CBI (improving the overall economy of Iraq and its position in the world economy). It makes you ask this question: Exactly what is the motivation for these naysayers?