clueless, and waiting with our hands out

by lvjeweler1 Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:42 am

I love this site, I have acess to people with diverse opinions,and its refreshing,I was going to start out by saying Im not bashing anyone,but I am going to do some bashing,and its directed to the arm chair preachers and bigots,I would also like to state that I love my country,but I cant say the same for the government,I voted for Obama,not because Im a liberalbut because at that time I felt he would make a change,nothing has changed and I am unhappy with his service,I have seen comments like send him back to the ghetto,Africa,ect,just ignorant statements in general,our last administration was given the wheel with surplus in the budget,but spent us into the poor house,its not a matter of the democrats against the republicans,or the blacks against the whites,people had self serving agendas that didnt meet the needs of our country,
people have rown so complacent,that when situations arise that will or already affect them,they react but they dont ACT,with this deficit situation,I see no action,a few emails and calls all made from a comfy chair,I see other countries holding mass public demonstrations and protests,I as a business owner would close and refuse to pay taxes as protest,imagine the impact if the majority of all business owners did this for one week ,and yes its a sacrifice,can I afford to close ? not really,but its for the greater good,those people in other countries that we see protesting have nothing left to lose,I personally cant understand why people wait untill it gets to that point,I guess its just easier not to do anything,and then blame the president,government ect for thier situation,look inside people,and here is where I get kind of mean but the truth hurts,it comes down to basic physics every action has a reaction,I love
children,have one myself,thirty some years ago when I went through public school ,I saw the lack of education and the idiots that were being pushed through the system,so I opted to give my child a better chance at a future he is in private school getting a better quality education,not thanks to my government and my tax dollars but because of sacrifices my family has made,Im catholic I know the whole birth control issue,but remember god helps those who help themselves,again it all comes down to choices that affect our lives later,I have moved 14 times in 30 years,I follow the money,I dont give a second thought or look back,because I know staying in a dead end job,or a slowly dying small town leads nowhere,there are always opportunities,you always have to think three steps and five years ahead,so WAKE UP our government isnt going to save you,you need to get up again from your chair an become proactive in the things that will always affect you,yes the lord said go forth and multiply,I dont think he meant have more mouths to feed than you can afford,education is free here,loans ,grants ect are available,better your lives,90% of people that are losing thier homes because they made bad choices,they bought what they couldnt afford,didnt save for a rainy day ect (Iknow Iam going to catch sh** for that comment) but its true,so I have no sympathy when I see people praying for this so called blessing to be the answer to all their prayers,dont tell me you didnt see the train comming while you were playing on the tracks,again the lord helps those who help themselves,be kind and generouse to widows,widowers,the elderly, veterns, children and animals, make smart choices live within your means,do all that you can to ensure that the next generation always does better than the last,racial bashing is repulsive,bringing the lord into an investment is just wrong,and the "but Im going to help others" crap doesnt cut it, the RV will happen when it happens so for those that are living from RV weekend to RV weekend,get a back up plan,so your not left standing there with your hand open waiting for god to "bless you",you are already blessed to live in a country where you have choices and options.

by DesertPete Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:08 pm

It is a sad fact that there were (and possible still are) so many naive and gullible people who did not do proper research into the eligibility, qualifications, background, history and socialist ideology of Barry Soweto (sp?) (Obama) and wanted to be free of the media generated and perceived collective guilt of the US never having a black president, were duped into voting for a man who is bent on the destruction of this country. Ironically these people consider themselves “educated”. It is this majority that we all have to thank for getting us into this mess.

A post won’t change things…only a vote in 2012 and the education of others can.

by lvjeweler1 Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:33 pm

too true do your research,like I said I voted for Obama,I also voted for Bush senior,we make our decisions based on the best information we have,hopefully not on racial bias,so I agree a vote in 2012 is a good thing, to bad all politictions arent hooked up to a lie detecter when they are making public speeches or durring debates,and in response to the post below,I dont think politicians are heck bent on destroying our country,but they do have agendas that meet thier personal needs,the out come however is somtimes "distructive" to our way of life,but why wait untill 2012 let your voice be heard now this is when letter writing,emails and phone calls help,be proactive in the things that directly affect us,do your own research verify your own facts,instead of taking the drivel that the media is spoon feeding you,or conspiracy therories that people on the fringe are spewing out,you dont have to be educated to do this just aware,not lulled into complacency being happy living paycheck to paycheck happy that there is enough for a six pack at the end of the week, perseverance,integrity,and a belief that we are still a great nation, go back to old traditional values,common sense, neighbor helps neighbor,regardless of their color or religion,if your philosophies,rock the collective boat leave,back to basics stop rewarding bad behaviour,children born out of wedlock"heres a check" right to practice a religion that has a destructive agenda ,"no problem here is your tax exempt status" we have become a complacent country pulling resources from needed programs to fund special interest groups that dont help us at all,oh just swam across the rio grand "free tuition,medical care and food stamps" while our native born children struggle to pay tuition and our seniors eat dog food and cut their pills in half to stretch them out,and lets not forget aids a terrible disease,but if you contracted due to poor choices,"please sign up for the free needle exchange program,funded by your local government" this is what we have become,we have no one to blame but ourselves,dont just vote PARTICIPATE.

by dmk Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:48 pm

Exactly!!
We have to become more active - and not to deliberate on, so much here.

DesertPete,
Go back to 2008: After 8 years of the Republicans, running the government into this debt, yadda yadda....
A stone rock could have been on the ticket and the stone rock would have beaten the Republicans.
Like you said - get educated, and don't dumb down.

by masmith Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:23 pm

I love this site, I have acess to people with diverse opinions,and its refreshing,I was going to start out by saying Im not bashing anyone,but I am going to do some bashing,and its directed to the arm chair preachers and bigots,I would also like to state that I love my country,but I cant say the same for the government,I voted for Obama,not because Im a liberalbut because at that time I felt he would make a change,nothing has changed and I am unhappy with his service,I have seen comments like send him back to the ghetto,Africa,ect,just ignorant statements in general,our last administration was given the wheel with surplus in the budget,but spent us into the poor house,its not a matter of the democrats against the republicans,or the blacks against the whites,people had self serving agendas that didnt meet the needs of our country,
people have rown so complacent,that when situations arise that will or already affect them,they react but they dont ACT,with this deficit situation,I see no action,a few emails and calls all made from a comfy chair,I see other countries holding mass public demonstrations and protests,I as a business owner would close and refuse to pay taxes as protest,imagine the impact if the majority of all business owners did this for one week ,and yes its a sacrifice,can I afford to close ? not really,but its for the greater good,those people in other countries that we see protesting have nothing left to lose,I personally cant understand why people wait untill it gets to that point,I guess its just easier not to do anything,and then blame the president,government ect for thier situation,look inside people,and here is where I get kind of mean but the truth hurts,it comes down to basic physics every action has a reaction,I love
children,have one myself,thirty some years ago when I went through public school ,I saw the lack of education and the idiots that were being pushed through the system,so I opted to give my child a better chance at a future he is in private school getting a better quality education,not thanks to my government and my tax dollars but because of sacrifices my family has made,Im catholic I know the whole birth control issue,but remember god helps those who help themselves,again it all comes down to choices that affect our lives later,I have moved 14 times in 30 years,I follow the money,I dont give a second thought or look back,because I know staying in a dead end job,or a slowly dying small town leads nowhere,there are always opportunities,you always have to think three steps and five years ahead,so WAKE UP our government isnt going to save you,you need to get up again from your chair an become proactive in the things that will always affect you,yes the lord said go forth and multiply,I dont think he meant have more mouths to feed than you can afford,education is free here,loans ,grants ect are available,better your lives,90% of people that are losing thier homes because they made bad choices,they bought what they couldnt afford,didnt save for a rainy day ect (Iknow Iam going to catch sh** for that comment) but its true,so I have no sympathy when I see people praying for this so called blessing to be the answer to all their prayers,dont tell me you didnt see the train comming while you were playing on the tracks,again the lord helps those who help themselves,be kind and generouse to widows,widowers,the elderly, veterns, children and animals, make smart choices live within your means,do all that you can to ensure that the next generation always does better than the last,racial bashing is repulsive,bringing the lord into an investment is just wrong,and the "but Im going to help others" crap doesnt cut it, the RV will happen when it happens so for those that are living from RV weekend to RV weekend,get a back up plan,so your not left standing there with your hand open waiting for god to "bless you",you are already blessed to live in a country where you have choices and options.

You as a Catholic voted for a man than wants babies killed in the womb, you support a man that thinks it is good for women to kill their children before they are born. You baby bashers and killers take the cake...you use your so called religion to lecture people on this forum when you support a baby killer for President. This would be the same as supporting the killer Hitler in the 40 's...this is wrong. Clean up your own house and someone may take you seriously. A true Catholic would not support a baby killer.

by donaldkhardin Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:48 pm

The President does not create the US budget. Congress does.

Although Bush was President and a member of the Republican Party, the spending/budgeting entity responsible during our greatest spending and his time in the Whitehouse was, quite simply, that of the Democratic Congress. Yes, both parties are to blame, but remember, based on our Constitution, the President does not create and pass a budget. Granted, occasionally, a President can have influence on its creation. However, when the dust settles, a President's proposed budget survives at the mercy of the Legislative branch.

O has had the luxury of controlling two branches of our Republic --- Administrative and Legislative --- a toxic and "no-checks-and-balances" situation. The obscene spending during O's term results from O selling his soul to the labor unions and many other "the-government-is-my-nanny" interest groups and his luxury of Senate and House majorities for his first two years.

It is that simple.

by albosdo Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:00 pm

Well said, Desert Pete. Very well said.

by dmk Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:01 pm

Yes, you are correct about the budget process, but lacking otherwise.
The Republicans were given a surplus to start out in the year 2000.
The Republicans gave themselves a tax break (top 5%) and started 2 wars - that they never end by the way.
Bumped the deficit to just under 12 trillion.

To bale out wall street (too bad we all know that we should have left them to rot), and try to kickstart the economy, O spent 3 trillion.
All due to what the Republicans left.

Get-off-the-Democrats-started-and-caused-all-these-problems.
We are where we are - stop trying to rewrite history.

New parties must be formed to get this country back to a democracy.

by Alchemist Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:35 pm

I think it interesting that it is not even taught in grade school that we are a Republic, albeit a republic with strong democratic traditions.

Speaking of new parties, anybody familiar with this?

Twelve Visions Party:

(The Fundamental of Protection) Preamble *The purpose of human life is to prosper and live happily. *The function of government is to provide the conditions that let individuals fulfill that purpose. *The Prime Law guarantees those conditions by forbidding the use of initiatory force, fraud, or coercion by any person or group against any individual, property, or contract. Article 1 No person, group of persons, or government shall initiate force, threat of force, or fraud against any individual’s self, property, or contract. Article 2 Force is morally -and-legally justified only for protection from those who violate Article 1. Article 3 No exceptions shall exist for Articles 1 and 2. *The Prime Law® is the fundamental, natural law of protection (that directs all decisions and actions of the Twelve Visions Party) and is not open to amendment or change."
http://tvpnc.org/the-prime-law/

by RichieC Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:40 pm

DMK, you are right about the surplus the republicans had in 2000. However, you are forgetting one little detail: The Republicans had 9/11.

by OKie_GEM Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:44 pm

donaldkhardin wrote:
The President does not create the US budget. Congress does.

Although Bush was President and a member of the Republican Party, the spending/budgeting entity responsible during our greatest spending and his time in the Whitehouse was, quite simply, that of the Democratic Congress. Yes, both parties are to blame, but remember, based on our Constitution, the President does not create and pass a budget. Granted, occasionally, a President can have influence on its creation. However, when the dust settles, a President's proposed budget survives at the mercy of the Legislative branch.

O has had the luxury of controlling two branches of our Republic --- Administrative and Legislative --- a toxic and "no-checks-and-balances" situation. The obscene spending during O's term results from O selling his soul to the labor unions and many other "the-government-is-my-nanny" interest groups and his luxury of Senate and House majorities for his first two years.

It is that simple.

Donald,
Thank you! Someone finally gets it! Just like the House is trying to pass budget cuts but the Senate will not even bring it to the floor! People, the news has mislead you drastically. Read your constitution. Learn how your government works. DO NOT RELY upon the news media to tell you the truth. The days of the news being the watchdog for the people have been over for a while
OKie_GEM

by OKie_GEM Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:51 pm

dmk wrote:Yes, you are correct about the budget process, but lacking otherwise.
The Republicans were given a surplus to start out in the year 2000.
The Republicans gave themselves a tax break (top 5%) and started 2 wars - that they never end by the way.
Bumped the deficit to just under 12 trillion.

To bale out wall street (too bad we all know that we should have left them to rot), and try to kickstart the economy, O spent 3 trillion.
All due to what the Republicans left.

Get-off-the-Democrats-started-and-caused-all-these-problems.
We are where we are - stop trying to rewrite history.

New parties must be formed to get this country back to a democracy.

DMK,
Better look at your facts again, my friend. Or is it just like when Clinton took credit for the economic turn-around in December before he took office? That sort of goes along with Obamer getting the Nobel Peace prize for doing nothing.
There is a party out there that feels if they say it loud enough and long enough, people are going to believe it.
Check those numbers very carefully, friend. And remember, a lot of Clintons new laws did not take effect until after he left office, leaving the next president to pay for it all.
Also, check the tax rates Pre-Clinton, and Post-Clinton, I think you will find he raised taxes by around 9%, Bush was just giving back 3%.
OKie_GEM

by xpectarius Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:57 pm

DesertPete wrote:It is a sad fact that there were (and possible still are) so many naive and gullible people who did not do proper research into the eligibility, qualifications, background, history and socialist ideology of Barry Soweto (sp?) (Obama) and wanted to be free of the media generated and perceived collective guilt of the US never having a black president, were duped into voting for a man who is bent on the destruction of this country. Ironically these people consider themselves “educated”. It is this majority that we all have to thank for getting us into this mess.

A post won’t change things…only a vote in 2012 and the education of others can.

Excellent and well put, DesertPete.

by dmk Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:10 pm

sure Okie I will do more research.

So you still think this is still all the democrats fault and no one elses.
Best to review your information too.

Richie,
And O had what when he walked into this office? Wall street swindles plus 2 never ending wars; unemployment over 12%. And the tax reduction for those over $250,000.

Why do you keep blaming others when there is so many reasons to go around?
Absolutely, the Democrats are not the answer; but neither is the Republican party.

by RichieC Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:20 pm

The sad part of all this is the country my parents and grandparents knew is no more. We used to produce goods and services. Now, we are just a bunch of fat consumers with no end in sight. What's worse is that the media has helped us become nothing more than two political parties with bitter differences and long memories. Unfortunately, we will have to hit rock bottom before we can rally together as a nation and it shouldn't be that way. We blame the politicians, but we may not be very different when the rubber meets the road.

by RichieC Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:24 pm

BY the way, DMK. I didn't blame anyone. You did.

by donaldkhardin Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:48 pm

dmk wrote:Yes, you are correct about the budget process, but lacking otherwise.
The Republicans were given a surplus to start out in the year 2000.
The Republicans gave themselves a tax break (top 5%) and started 2 wars - that they never end by the way.
Bumped the deficit to just under 12 trillion.

To bale out wall street (too bad we all know that we should have left them to rot), and try to kickstart the economy, O spent 3 trillion.
All due to what the Republicans left.

Get-off-the-Democrats-started-and-caused-all-these-problems.
We are where we are - stop trying to rewrite history.

New parties must be formed to get this country back to a democracy.

The Clinton "surplus" was bogus but we can simply disagree and save time. We will both have good points and will never resolve anything there.

There's no "the-Democrats-started-and-caused-all-these-problems" to get off of. I clearly stated both parties are to blame so let's leave that one alone, as well, since we agree.

What is measurable, however, is that Wall Street owns, and always has owned, the Democratic party. Now hang on here please. I emphatically make this point based only on campaign contributions as the measurement. OK? ONLY contributions. You see, the Democratic Party contributions by Wall Street far exceed those given to Republicans. I was quite shocked upon learning this... In fact, I had to open my mind to accept this fact as I had heard, and assumed to be true, all of my life that the GOP was the party of the fattest of the Fat Cats as that is what was so widely accepted. It simply is not true.

Yes, I totally agree that saving a few greedy bastards on Wall Street was a mistake. We only kicked the proverbial can down the road a piece. Those saved will have short memories. That is human nature. However, again we really should give the credit to both parties but only if you hang the entire subprime mess on the GOP. One must stretch a ways to ignore that much of the bad legislation which greatly encouraged the subprime meltdown was triggered only by one party. As a primary state regulator of that industry for the decade leading up to the fiasco, I can tell you, with great certainty, that legislation authored by both parties actively invited the disaster. Again, kicking the can down the road.

The 3 trillian spent by this guy (again, Congress spent the money... only driven to do so by O) was NOT due solely to a mess created only by one party. And, I would go so far as to say that clearly a third of the windfall spending had only one purpose and that was to solidify his campaign committments to the special interests previously mentioned.

Hey, DMK, can we agree on this idea: WE NEED A LOT MORE STATESMEN IN DC?

Thanks for the mild debate. I enjoyed it. All my best to you and yours.

by dmk Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:00 pm

Donald,
(If I may call you Donald),
Agreed! I don't believe this is a surprise to you.
Yes I have watched this Wall Street connection for several years (really came to light in 2008).
First with Geithner and Lawrence Summers, as Wall Street economists ("), then the not-so-good rules put into place to "stop" these practices.
Nothing changed, the practices are still heavily used, and they walked away with lots of our money.
Again, agreed. And yes appreciate the discussion.

by Gmansaid Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:08 pm

If you will not fight for your rights when you can easily win without bloodshed -- if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly -- then you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival.
There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.--Winston Churchill

The key to being free is to fight back. --JBR Yant

You cannot fix stupid but you can vote it out, the time has come to clean out Congress and start over. - RCG

by Alchemist Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:23 pm

Wall Street's revolving door:

(from an interview)

"RAMARES: Give us a brief overview, really, of the connections between the CIA and the banking and investment community. Your article suggests there is a revolving door between Wall Street and the CIA.

RUPPERT: Oh, indeed there is. First of all, it's very important to note right up front that European investigators, who are tracking trades in the insurance companies, as well as the Israeli institute, have disclosed that the UAL put options were primarily held by Deutsche Bank-A.B. Brown. And its very important to note that the current Number Three at CIA, the Executive Director, a man by the name of A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard, was, until 1998, the chairman of A.B. Brown. The company went from being owned by Banker's Trust to being owned by Deutsche Bank. But this is a man effectively running CIA, who came from the bank that handled the trades. i i ll ki b k"

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/RUP111A.html

by lvjeweler1 Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:15 pm

masmith wrote:I love this site, I have acess to people with diverse opinions,and its refreshing,I was going to start out by saying Im not bashing anyone,but I am going to do some bashing,and its directed to the arm chair preachers and bigots,I would also like to state that I love my country,but I cant say the same for the government,I voted for Obama,not because Im a liberalbut because at that time I felt he would make a change,nothing has changed and I am unhappy with his service,I have seen comments like send him back to the ghetto,Africa,ect,just ignorant statements in general,our last administration was given the wheel with surplus in the budget,but spent us into the poor house,its not a matter of the democrats against the republicans,or the blacks against the whites,people had self serving agendas that didnt meet the needs of our country,
people have rown so complacent,that when situations arise that will or already affect them,they react but they dont ACT,with this deficit situation,I see no action,a few emails and calls all made from a comfy chair,I see other countries holding mass public demonstrations and protests,I as a business owner would close and refuse to pay taxes as protest,imagine the impact if the majority of all business owners did this for one week ,and yes its a sacrifice,can I afford to close ? not really,but its for the greater good,those people in other countries that we see protesting have nothing left to lose,I personally cant understand why people wait untill it gets to that point,I guess its just easier not to do anything,and then blame the president,government ect for thier situation,look inside people,and here is where I get kind of mean but the truth hurts,it comes down to basic physics every action has a reaction,I love
children,have one myself,thirty some years ago when I went through public school ,I saw the lack of education and the idiots that were being pushed through the system,so I opted to give my child a better chance at a future he is in private school getting a better quality education,not thanks to my government and my tax dollars but because of sacrifices my family has made,Im catholic I know the whole birth control issue,but remember god helps those who help themselves,again it all comes down to choices that affect our lives later,I have moved 14 times in 30 years,I follow the money,I dont give a second thought or look back,because I know staying in a dead end job,or a slowly dying small town leads nowhere,there are always opportunities,you always have to think three steps and five years ahead,so WAKE UP our government isnt going to save you,you need to get up again from your chair an become proactive in the things that will always affect you,yes the lord said go forth and multiply,I dont think he meant have more mouths to feed than you can afford,education is free here,loans ,grants ect are available,better your lives,90% of people that are losing thier homes because they made bad choices,they bought what they couldnt afford,didnt save for a rainy day ect (Iknow Iam going to catch sh** for that comment) but its true,so I have no sympathy when I see people praying for this so called blessing to be the answer to all their prayers,dont tell me you didnt see the train comming while you were playing on the tracks,again the lord helps those who help themselves,be kind and generouse to widows,widowers,the elderly, veterns, children and animals, make smart choices live within your means,do all that you can to ensure that the next generation always does better than the last,racial bashing is repulsive,bringing the lord into an investment is just wrong,and the "but Im going to help others" crap doesnt cut it, the RV will happen when it happens so for those that are living from RV weekend to RV weekend,get a back up plan,so your not left standing there with your hand open waiting for god to "bless you",you are already blessed to live in a country where you have choices and options.

You as a Catholic voted for a man than wants babies killed in the womb, you support a man that thinks it is good for women to kill their children before they are born. You baby bashers and killers take the cake...you use your so called religion to lecture people on this forum when you support a baby killer for President. This would be the same as supporting the killer Hitler in the 40 's...this is wrong. Clean up your own house and someone may take you seriously. A true Catholic would not support a baby killer.

your right its not a choice its a child,but raising a child in poverty and ignorance is just as much of a sin,did I say lets all get abortions,when I said it all comes down to choices thats what it is a choice between a human being and their maker,and there is also the choice of abstinence, dont spew your baby killing venom at me,,so as a true catholic I also dont condone phedophiles but one could accuse me of that as well because "IM a catholic" give me a break, Im sure that you investigate that all the business that you frequent arent owned by pro choice owners,buy any proctor and gamble products lately?have you checked what is in your shampoo,cosmetics, even food products? ,did you stop paying taxes,because some of that money goes to stem cell research?,get a grip get a clue and get a life and stop throwing the words BABY KILLER around because you think it will get attention,and stop accusing me of supporting hitler because I voted for Obama"bad mistake" and yes my house is "clean" so put your protest sign down and do somthing positive that will help the children that are already here,go teach abstinence classes,be a solution to a problem not just a pointless noise maker chillout

by lvjeweler1 Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:17 pm

Gmansaid wrote:If you will not fight for your rights when you can easily win without bloodshed -- if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly -- then you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival.
There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.--Winston Churchill

The key to being free is to fight back. --JBR Yant

You cannot fix stupid but you can vote it out, the time has come to clean out Congress and start over. - RCG

AMEN

by andora6400 Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:15 pm

Well said RichC

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