Catholic Church Guilty of Baby Snatching in Australia: 150,000 babies stolen & sold in adoption

Alchemist wrote:That which is dark loves to hide within light that the shadows are not seen. Dark hearts gravitate towards places of power on high. The Catholic Church condones no such thing, this is not to say that there are not those who gladly abuse positions of within the Church. Consider the movie, "Whistle Blower," about criminals within the U.N. who engaged in human trafficking or Halliburton subsidiaries engaging in the same.

GoldPeg9 wrote:

Alchemist wrote:That which is dark loves to hide within light that the shadows are not seen. Dark hearts gravitate towards places of power on high. The Catholic Church condones no such thing, this is not to say that there are not those who gladly abuse positions of within the Church. Consider the movie, "Whistle Blower," about criminals within the U.N. who engaged in human trafficking or Halliburton subsidiaries engaging in the same.

The Big HEADS of the Catholic Church and ALL Churches DO condone such things. The Pope is Illuminati. Billy Graham is Illuminati.

They do these horrors against their own blind mind controlled followers. Many of these children are not sold either. They are used in places like the Bohemian Grove in the ceremonies.

It's All too shocking when a person first learns about what has really been going on, on this planet.

The United Church in Canada hides horrors too. Especially what has been committed against native children.

All is being exposed. No stone will be left unturned and All will be held accountable for their actions.

GoldPeg9 wrote:

Alchemist wrote:That which is dark loves to hide within light that the shadows are not seen. Dark hearts gravitate towards places of power on high. The Catholic Church condones no such thing, this is not to say that there are not those who gladly abuse positions of within the Church. Consider the movie, "Whistle Blower," about criminals within the U.N. who engaged in human trafficking or Halliburton subsidiaries engaging in the same.

The Big HEADS of the Catholic Church and ALL Churches DO condone such things. The Pope is Illuminati. Billy Graham is Illuminati.

They do these horrors against their own blind mind controlled followers. Many of these children are not sold either. They are used in places like the Bohemian Grove in the ceremonies.

It's All too shocking when a person first learns about what has really been going on, on this planet.

The United Church in Canada hides horrors too. Especially what has been committed against native children.

All is being exposed. No stone will be left unturned and All will be held accountable for their actions.

GoldPeg9 wrote:

Alchemist wrote:That which is dark loves to hide within light that the shadows are not seen. Dark hearts gravitate towards places of power on high. The Catholic Church condones no such thing, this is not to say that there are not those who gladly abuse positions of within the Church. Consider the movie, "Whistle Blower," about criminals within the U.N. who engaged in human trafficking or Halliburton subsidiaries engaging in the same.

The Big HEADS of the Catholic Church and ALL Churches DO condone such things. The Pope is Illuminati. Billy Graham is Illuminati.

They do these horrors against their own blind mind controlled followers. Many of these children are not sold either. They are used in places like the Bohemian Grove in the ceremonies.

It's All too shocking when a person first learns about what has really been going on, on this planet.

The United Church in Canada hides horrors too. Especially what has been committed against native children.

All is being exposed. No stone will be left unturned and All will be held accountable for their actions.

GoldPeg9 wrote:

Alchemist wrote:That which is dark loves to hide within light that the shadows are not seen. Dark hearts gravitate towards places of power on high. The Catholic Church condones no such thing, this is not to say that there are not those who gladly abuse positions of within the Church. Consider the movie, "Whistle Blower," about criminals within the U.N. who engaged in human trafficking or Halliburton subsidiaries engaging in the same.

The Big HEADS of the Catholic Church and ALL Churches DO condone such things. The Pope is Illuminati. Billy Graham is Illuminati.

They do these horrors against their own blind mind controlled followers. Many of these children are not sold either. They are used in places like the Bohemian Grove in the ceremonies.

It's All too shocking when a person first learns about what has really been going on, on this planet.

The United Church in Canada hides horrors too. Especially what has been committed against native children.

All is being exposed. No stone will be left unturned and All will be held accountable for their actions.

GoldPeg9 wrote:[size 12]NOT ALL PASTORS THOUGH! Evidently you haven't heard JOHN MacARTHUR teach against the Pope and the Papacy...

I highly recommend that you listen/read John MacArthur's links below as he exposes both the Pope and Billy Graham!

John MacArthur, truly a man of GOD......[/size]

http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/90-291#.Tq8HBGB20cg

http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons/80-227#.Tq8HfGB20cg[/quote]

Yes Watchman. There are many, many very good men and women who are Pastors - and even Priests. I've met some of them. They are innocent when they Know not what goes on either. They sincerely care, are constructive to life and have the best at heart for this precious Earth and all life upon her.

I feel it is our duty, once we know the facts - to expose the Clergy and Heads of Churches (and Government) who do NOT care and do Not have the best at heart for anyone.

Many of us who do expose the a-moral "people" on this planet often get bashed big time for talking about it.

Ben Fulford is just one of the people who has gained world-wide recognition (on the internet) for exposing so many Dark ones in so many different fields. Perhaps he isn't correct about ALL things, but I'll bet he is right on about most. Just because it's a new thought pattern to many, doesn't mean that it isn't true.

It's so shocking to people who have never heard of such things - people who trust their governments and trust their churches - that they (at first) name call, bash, run down and laugh - saying "what rubbish" "what nonsense", only to later - after some time has gone by and investigating for themselves - they realize that what they heard is True.

You see, basically - the majority of people on this planet are Good. No matter how they worship - they believe in a God over all that is. It's the same God, no matter what they name it.

They back up what they believe with, "it says in the bible", "it says in the Koran" it says in, "what ever their book is" that their belief and their religion is the One and Only "True" one. Each one calling the other, "Pagan" Pagan to many brings up thoughts of Evil, wrong, or bad.

Pagan doesn't mean no faith in God. A real Pagan (stemming from old Mother Earth faiths that the Clergy of Rome smothered) means Believing that GOD is in ALL things Everywhere. So - when in name calling by Muslims, Jews, Christians etc. - these are not Pagan. Real Pagans feel from the heart and have more Christ God Consciousness then all of those who condemn.

When it comes right down to it - unless a person is now awake and aware to all that is hidden - all they believe in has been passed on down to them from those who have believed the same things before them.

So many people do things the same way as their parents, grandparents, relatives, peers - etc - without questioning why? Why do "we" think they are right?

watchman42 wrote:

GoldPeg9 wrote:[size 12]NOT ALL PASTORS THOUGH! Evidently you haven't heard JOHN MacARTHUR teach against the Pope and the Papacy...

I highly recommend that you listen/read John MacArthur's links below as he exposes both the Pope and Billy Graham!

John MacArthur, truly a man of GOD......[/size]

http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/90-291#.Tq8HBGB20cg

http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons/80-227#.Tq8HfGB20cg[/quote]

Yes Watchman. There are many, many very good men and women who are Pastors - and even Priests. I've met some of them. They are innocent when they Know not what goes on either. They sincerely care, are constructive to life and have the best at heart for this precious Earth and all life upon her.

I feel it is our duty, once we know the facts - to expose the Clergy and Heads of Churches (and Government) who do NOT care and do Not have the best at heart for anyone.

Many of us who do expose the a-moral "people" on this planet often get bashed big time for talking about it.

Ben Fulford is just one of the people who has gained world-wide recognition (on the internet) for exposing so many Dark ones in so many different fields. Perhaps he isn't correct about ALL things, but I'll bet he is right on about most. Just because it's a new thought pattern to many, doesn't mean that it isn't true.

It's so shocking to people who have never heard of such things - people who trust their governments and trust their churches - that they (at first) name call, bash, run down and laugh - saying "what rubbish" "what nonsense", only to later - after some time has gone by and investigating for themselves - they realize that what they heard is True.

You see, basically - the majority of people on this planet are Good. No matter how they worship - they believe in a God over all that is. It's the same God, no matter what they name it.

They back up what they believe with, "it says in the bible", "it says in the Koran" it says in, "what ever their book is" that their belief and their religion is the One and Only "True" one. Each one calling the other, "Pagan" Pagan to many brings up thoughts of Evil, wrong, or bad.

Pagan doesn't mean no faith in God. A real Pagan (stemming from old Mother Earth faiths that the Clergy of Rome smothered) means Believing that GOD is in ALL things Everywhere. So - when in name calling by Muslims, Jews, Christians etc. - these are not Pagan. Real Pagans feel from the heart and have more Christ God Consciousness then all of those who condemn.

When it comes right down to it - unless a person is now awake and aware to all that is hidden - all they believe in has been passed on down to them from those who have believed the same things before them.

So many people do things the same way as their parents, grandparents, relatives, peers - etc - without questioning why? Why do "we" think they are right?

GoldPeg9,

You and I share some common beliefs, mainly that many religious groups today have been compromised; and at the very top sets the catholic church, which I believe is the very seat of the antichrist and his antichrist system - pagan worship. There is so much evidence, but what is most compelling is in the Book of Revelation where it states in Revelation 17:4 ...'And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication.' ... This description alone fits the Roman Catholic Church. The main colours of the bishops and cardinals are scarlet and purple. You have to know that if it were possible the catholic church would do anything to change those two simple colors - purple and scarlet. Why not, blue and yellow or red and black? The reason: because God was helping us to recognize this apostate church and there is nothing that they can do to change what God has said.

pgo wrote:Yes, to what GoldPeg 9 says, and... why is it, the woman is holding the golden cup, clothed in purple and so on when it is all male that lead the catholic church... the Bible malignes women to often. Don't believe that is God speaking, but man, those that put the words in print, & interpreted it. Men (since women weren't intelligent at that time and have only recently aquired a brain that works) decided what parts of the Bible to keep and what to delete...because the masses were to stupid to understand some of it, or in some cases understand it all to well.

Sorry if this became more of a rant than a response.

Jewelz wrote:The approach to life is influenced by what you desire to take place, and this is because of your beliefs. The intensity of your feelings, is directly related to the strength of your belief in the illusion. The stronger your belief in it, the stronger will be your sense and your need to struggle to defend yourself

Beliefs are used to control you. Beliefs are tools for social conditioning, rather than expressions of inner realization or universal truth. You have a belief that you are not capable of governing yourself, without having a structure with which to do so. So a government is created to control you, and all the other people who need to be controlled. Laws are enacted to spell out that control. Everyone is seen in an adversarial light versus the government.

The belief about the flawed individual was injected by the negative dark energy many thousands of years ago. It is this premise that has allowed structures to be put in place to control you. Beliefs are ingrained in the humans of Earth. From generation to generation, the belief in a flawed humanity has been handed down from parent to child, from one society to the next.

This belief of a flawed individual is the basis for most of your structured religions. The idea of the need to be saved stems from the belief of a flawed human. The idea that Jesus came to earth to save people, and that we need to see him as a savior, is based on the premise that humans are flawed and need to be saved.

Conversion is a nice word for brainwashing. By inducing guilt and acute apprehension and by increasing the tension, the “sinners” attending revival meetings will break down and completely submit creating conditions that wipe the brain slate clean, so that the mind accepts new programming. “You’re a sinner! You’re destined for heck!”

What can people be made to believe? They can be made to believe anything - which is administered to them with sufficient brutality and force. The obedience of a populace is as good as they will believe. In order to induce a high state of hypnosis in an individual, a group, or a population, an element of terror must always be present on the part of those who would govern.

One must only exhibit enough force, enough inhumanity, enough brutality and savageness to create 'Implicit Belief' and therefore and thereby 'Implicit Obedience'.

The psychiatrist is aptly suited to this role, for his brutalities are committed in the name of science and are inexplicably complex, and entirely out of the view of the human understanding. A sufficient popular terror of the psychiatrist will, in itself, bring about insanity on the part of many individuals. Insanity is a perfectly natural adjustment to an unnatural way of life.

The Illuminati don’t just program individuals, they program whole nations. The infiltration and control of the Christian religion has been one of the easiest tasks of the Illuminati. The Christian churches are what the intelligence agencies called “SOFT TARGETS.”

The Bible tells us to 'be like God', and then on page after page it describes God as a mass murderer. The lord is a man of war. The lord is his name Exodus 15:3 ...We have been led to believe that the entity that the Old Testament describes as a mass murderer and heinous leader is the God of the Universe. We have been led to think that the slaughter of human beings in the name of God is a divine act. In one of the most tragic ironies, the majority of humans continue to worship those “gods” who abused them the most.

He taketh away the heart of the chief of the people of the earth, and causeth them to wander in a wilderness where there is no way…They grope in the dark without light, and him maketh to stagger like a drunken man - (Job 12:24-25)

Peppermint Patti wrote:My grandmother lived next to the Catholic Church... She was up a lot of the night and would see the nuns going along the corridor all night back and forth from where the priests slept.

Well, her relatives were all nuns and priests so she let it alone until... Until they tore down the Catholic Church and thousands upon thousands of new born babies were found buried in the basement. That was the last straw... She quit the Church and from that day forward when we would be walking down town and her relatives would see her they would turn their heads the other way when passing her and never spoke to her from that time forward.

That was my introduction to the Catholic Church.

So Granny was pretty turned off to religion for what seemed to be for ever... My mother prayed for her salvation for over 22 years and then it happened... God opened her heart to salvation and she turned her life over to Him one wonderful day.. I mention this in case anyone out there thinks the most impossible person cannot be saved because I saw that miracle with my own eyes and her wonderful transformation... Never stop praying for someone God has in your life you may just have the divine joy of seeing them saved. No better experience in the world other than your own salvation...

Jewelz wrote:For thousands of years, over hundreds of lives, your sub-consciousness has been filled and subjected to many different beliefs forced upon you with the threat of death if you disobeyed.

The stress of life in the illusion becomes exhausting, but as it is happening to everyone it seems normal, and so you will not admit it to yourselves, because it is judged to be a sign of weakness, and in the stress-driven culture of which you are members, that is unacceptable.

GoldPeg9 wrote:

Jewelz wrote:For thousands of years, over hundreds of lives, your sub-consciousness has been filled and subjected to many different beliefs forced upon you with the threat of death if you disobeyed.

The stress of life in the illusion becomes exhausting, but as it is happening to everyone it seems normal, and so you will not admit it to yourselves, because it is judged to be a sign of weakness, and in the stress-driven culture of which you are members, that is unacceptable.

YES. And if you are one of the ones who was tortured during the Inquisition or other life times, you have carried these memories forward in each incarnation, in the three signature cells of your body.

Thus, this fear of being literally "burned alive" is still in your memory and you are under the hypnosis that this will happen to you again if you don't conform to the general religious beliefs of the country you reside in.

If in your prayers - as your real Higher Divine Self and your Guides and Guardian Angels hear ALL your calls (and yes, this is ONE thing NO one has EVER been able to take away from you. Your understanding and knowing that glowing golden Angels surrounded in mighty magic White electronic Light of the Divine - are REAL!) ask these wonderful spiritual protectors of you - to remove this fear from all life times in all time space and dimension. Remove it from every cell of your bodies.

They will do this upon your request, and you will be on your way to REAL freedom.

Your Angel guides have been with you since the beginning of time. They have been waiting a very long time for you to acknowledge them - to talk to them and ask for help.

Jewelz wrote:Alchemist --- "We are afraid of losing what we have, whether it's our life or our possessions and property. But this fear evaporates when we understand that our life stories and the history of the world were written by the same hand."

And do you know who's hand the history of the world was written by? Who is the responsible party for this fear writing? Do you know?

Jewelz wrote:Alchemist --- "We are afraid of losing what we have, whether it's our life or our possessions and property. But this fear evaporates when we understand that our life stories and the history of the world were written by the same hand."

And do you know who's hand the history of the world was written by? Who is the responsible party for this fear writing? Do you know?

jahlives wrote:GoldPeg: The things you explain here are so crucial, for most people do not search the TRUTH for themselves, but practice the religion that mama practiced or grandmama practiced and so it must be right. After I studied what mama told me was truth, there was only one religion for me - LOVE. That is the mesage that Yeshua brought to this dimension.

Most Christians have no idea about the Council of Nicea or any other occurrences upon which the religion was birthed. They still believe that Jesus saves when the bible states to work out your own soul's salvation. Yeshua said that his work is finished. What do you need to be saved from? Perhaps lower self tendencies, such as lust, pride, and greed? Or, is it easier to blame it on Satan? All religion is truth and falsehood strangely mixed and each of us has the power to discern the truth.

"Church" is defined as a place of public worship of a non-Christian religion" (1967 Random House Dictionary of the English language) Yet, folks wonder why these horrific acts occur in the "church." There is so much ignorance of what is really Truth, because people don't study.

GoldPeg9 wrote:

watchman42 wrote:

GoldPeg9 wrote:[size 12]NOT ALL PASTORS THOUGH! Evidently you haven't heard JOHN MacARTHUR teach against the Pope and the Papacy...

I highly recommend that you listen/read John MacArthur's links below as he exposes both the Pope and Billy Graham!

John MacArthur, truly a man of GOD......[/size]

http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/90-291#.Tq8HBGB20cg

http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons/80-227#.Tq8HfGB20cg[/quote]

Yes Watchman. There are many, many very good men and women who are Pastors - and even Priests. I've met some of them. They are innocent when they Know not what goes on either. They sincerely care, are constructive to life and have the best at heart for this precious Earth and all life upon her.

I feel it is our duty, once we know the facts - to expose the Clergy and Heads of Churches (and Government) who do NOT care and do Not have the best at heart for anyone.

Many of us who do expose the a-moral "people" on this planet often get bashed big time for talking about it.

Ben Fulford is just one of the people who has gained world-wide recognition (on the internet) for exposing so many Dark ones in so many different fields. Perhaps he isn't correct about ALL things, but I'll bet he is right on about most. Just because it's a new thought pattern to many, doesn't mean that it isn't true.

It's so shocking to people who have never heard of such things - people who trust their governments and trust their churches - that they (at first) name call, bash, run down and laugh - saying "what rubbish" "what nonsense", only to later - after some time has gone by and investigating for themselves - they realize that what they heard is True.

You see, basically - the majority of people on this planet are Good. No matter how they worship - they believe in a God over all that is. It's the same God, no matter what they name it.

They back up what they believe with, "it says in the bible", "it says in the Koran" it says in, "what ever their book is" that their belief and their religion is the One and Only "True" one. Each one calling the other, "Pagan" Pagan to many brings up thoughts of Evil, wrong, or bad.

Pagan doesn't mean no faith in God. A real Pagan (stemming from old Mother Earth faiths that the Clergy of Rome smothered) means Believing that GOD is in ALL things Everywhere. So - when in name calling by Muslims, Jews, Christians etc. - these are not Pagan. Real Pagans feel from the heart and have more Christ God Consciousness then all of those who condemn.

When it comes right down to it - unless a person is now awake and aware to all that is hidden - all they believe in has been passed on down to them from those who have believed the same things before them.

So many people do things the same way as their parents, grandparents, relatives, peers - etc - without questioning why? Why do "we" think they are right?

GoldPeg9,

You and I share some common beliefs, mainly that many religious groups today have been compromised; and at the very top sets the catholic church, which I believe is the very seat of the antichrist and his antichrist system - pagan worship. There is so much evidence, but what is most compelling is in the Book of Revelation where it states in Revelation 17:4 ...'And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication.' ... This description alone fits the Roman Catholic Church. The main colours of the bishops and cardinals are scarlet and purple. You have to know that if it were possible the catholic church would do anything to change those two simple colors - purple and scarlet. Why not, blue and yellow or red and black? The reason: because God was helping us to recognize this apostate church and there is nothing that they can do to change what God has said.

Pagan is NOT anti-christ Watchman. You do NOT seem understand where the word came from, or listen to me, when I tell you.

For years the false definition of Pagan has been taught by the Clergy, starting with the Church of Rome many years ago. This was done on purpose to discredit the Old Mother Earth faiths where they recognised the Goddess as well.

The ONLY way the Church were able to FORCE these people to come into their church was to keep Mother Mary - representing the Goddess.

And again, you are quoting from your bible and Your beliefs. And you are running down other faiths that believe in God just as much as you do.

Their name for Jesus is Mohammad, Buddha, Allah, etc. Jesus real name was Yeshua
Ben Yoseph. The ROMANS tacked on the name Jesus, and made a martyr out of him - whether you believe it or not.

Did you even read what I wrote? Or are you just like my dead religious fanatical JW Dad who had such tunnel vision he would only be thinking about what he was going to preach back and never listen to the valid things other people were saying?

And the Pope and the Heads of the Catholic church do NOT allow women into their Illuminati domain - so what you are reading into this and quoting - was another addition by the clergy to confuse men and again stress that what ever was "woman" was evil.

Women have always been far above men in Spirituality - because their hearts are usually more open as is their feminine side - so the creators of religion had to discredit them in anyway they could. Men who can find their feminine side do much better with feeling and being flexible. The others only come from brain/mind.

And, yes they add purple to their colours to as a "slap in the face" to the magic Violet Flame - which can consume all evil and darkness. Their real colours are Black and Red.

Yes, Illuminati are a-moral and feelingless.

But they wrote most of the bible and created the first religions - of which many off shoots have formed - to dumb down and control the masses.

Have you ever researched how the bible was written - or do you just humbly accept all that's in it, without question?

jahlives wrote:GoldPeg: The things you explain here are so crucial, for most people do not search the TRUTH for themselves, but practice the religion that mama practiced or grandmama practiced and so it must be right. After I studied what mama told me was truth, there was only one religion for me - LOVE. That is the mesage that Yeshua brought to this dimension.

Most Christians have no idea about the Council of Nicea or any other occurrences upon which the religion was birthed. They still believe that Jesus saves when the bible states to work out your own soul's salvation. Yeshua said that his work is finished. What do you need to be saved from? Perhaps lower self tendencies, such as lust, pride, and greed? Or, is it easier to blame it on Satan? All religion is truth and falsehood strangely mixed and each of us has the power to discern the truth.

"Church" is defined as a place of public worship of a non-Christian religion" (1967 Random House Dictionary of the English language) Yet, folks wonder why these horrific acts occur in the "church." There is so much ignorance of what is really Truth, because people don't study.

GoldPeg9 wrote:

Jewelz wrote:Alchemist --- "We are afraid of losing what we have, whether it's our life or our possessions and property. But this fear evaporates when we understand that our life stories and the history of the world were written by the same hand."

And do you know who's hand the history of the world was written by? Who is the responsible party for this fear writing? Do you know?

The original Divine plan/experiment did NOT go as planned because of Interference from the reptilian race known before as the An nu naki.

However, even as dumbed down as humanity got - they were STILL creating their own reality, because the first plan of this being a FREE WILL planet - no assistance was allowed - from those who could actually help - until called for. The experiment has a time limit though, and so many have called for help out of the mire - that we are NOW being helped out of the mess "we made"

My religious fanatical Dad used to pick a blade of grass and shake it in my face and yell at me, "can YOU do this?" Well can you?!"

He nearly had a heart attack when I said that I could plant the seed................

watchman42 wrote:

GoldPeg9 wrote:

watchman42 wrote:

GoldPeg9 wrote:[size 12]NOT ALL PASTORS THOUGH! Evidently you haven't heard JOHN MacARTHUR teach against the Pope and the Papacy...

I highly recommend that you listen/read John MacArthur's links below as he exposes both the Pope and Billy Graham!

John MacArthur, truly a man of GOD......[/size]

http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/90-291#.Tq8HBGB20cg

http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons/80-227#.Tq8HfGB20cg[/quote]

Yes Watchman. There are many, many very good men and women who are Pastors - and even Priests. I've met some of them. They are innocent when they Know not what goes on either. They sincerely care, are constructive to life and have the best at heart for this precious Earth and all life upon her.

I feel it is our duty, once we know the facts - to expose the Clergy and Heads of Churches (and Government) who do NOT care and do Not have the best at heart for anyone.

Many of us who do expose the a-moral "people" on this planet often get bashed big time for talking about it.

Ben Fulford is just one of the people who has gained world-wide recognition (on the internet) for exposing so many Dark ones in so many different fields. Perhaps he isn't correct about ALL things, but I'll bet he is right on about most. Just because it's a new thought pattern to many, doesn't mean that it isn't true.

It's so shocking to people who have never heard of such things - people who trust their governments and trust their churches - that they (at first) name call, bash, run down and laugh - saying "what rubbish" "what nonsense", only to later - after some time has gone by and investigating for themselves - they realize that what they heard is True.

You see, basically - the majority of people on this planet are Good. No matter how they worship - they believe in a God over all that is. It's the same God, no matter what they name it.

They back up what they believe with, "it says in the bible", "it says in the Koran" it says in, "what ever their book is" that their belief and their religion is the One and Only "True" one. Each one calling the other, "Pagan" Pagan to many brings up thoughts of Evil, wrong, or bad.

Pagan doesn't mean no faith in God. A real Pagan (stemming from old Mother Earth faiths that the Clergy of Rome smothered) means Believing that GOD is in ALL things Everywhere. So - when in name calling by Muslims, Jews, Christians etc. - these are not Pagan. Real Pagans feel from the heart and have more Christ God Consciousness then all of those who condemn.

When it comes right down to it - unless a person is now awake and aware to all that is hidden - all they believe in has been passed on down to them from those who have believed the same things before them.

So many people do things the same way as their parents, grandparents, relatives, peers - etc - without questioning why? Why do "we" think they are right?

GoldPeg9,

You and I share some common beliefs, mainly that many religious groups today have been compromised; and at the very top sets the catholic church, which I believe is the very seat of the antichrist and his antichrist system - pagan worship. There is so much evidence, but what is most compelling is in the Book of Revelation where it states in Revelation 17:4 ...'And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication.' ... This description alone fits the Roman Catholic Church. The main colours of the bishops and cardinals are scarlet and purple. You have to know that if it were possible the catholic church would do anything to change those two simple colors - purple and scarlet. Why not, blue and yellow or red and black? The reason: because God was helping us to recognize this apostate church and there is nothing that they can do to change what God has said.

Pagan is NOT anti-christ Watchman. You do NOT seem understand where the word came from, or listen to me, when I tell you.

For years the false definition of Pagan has been taught by the Clergy, starting with the Church of Rome many years ago. This was done on purpose to discredit the Old Mother Earth faiths where they recognised the Goddess as well.

The ONLY way the Church were able to FORCE these people to come into their church was to keep Mother Mary - representing the Goddess.

And again, you are quoting from your bible and Your beliefs. And you are running down other faiths that believe in God just as much as you do.

Their name for Jesus is Mohammad, Buddha, Allah, etc. Jesus real name was Yeshua
Ben Yoseph. The ROMANS tacked on the name Jesus, and made a martyr out of him - whether you believe it or not.

Did you even read what I wrote? Or are you just like my dead religious fanatical JW Dad who had such tunnel vision he would only be thinking about what he was going to preach back and never listen to the valid things other people were saying?

And the Pope and the Heads of the Catholic church do NOT allow women into their Illuminati domain - so what you are reading into this and quoting - was another addition by the clergy to confuse men and again stress that what ever was "woman" was evil.

Women have always been far above men in Spirituality - because their hearts are usually more open as is their feminine side - so the creators of religion had to discredit them in anyway they could. Men who can find their feminine side do much better with feeling and being flexible. The others only come from brain/mind.

And, yes they add purple to their colours to as a "slap in the face" to the magic Violet Flame - which can consume all evil and darkness. Their real colours are Black and Red.

Yes, Illuminati are a-moral and feelingless.

But they wrote most of the bible and created the first religions - of which many off shoots have formed - to dumb down and control the masses.

Have you ever researched how the bible was written - or do you just humbly accept all that's in it, without question?

Look Peggy,

I agree that Jesus' name is Yeshua and that the catholic pope is likely the antichrist himself for a multitude of reasons.

But what you are trying to do is bring God down to what you want Him to be instead of the One Triune God - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You cannot put Him in your pretty little box with a bow. You criticize me because I recognize Goddess worship for what it really is- another way of attempting to replace Jehovah or worse. try to make Him equal to other so-called gods and goddesses. Examples: Mother Earth, Allah, Buddha, etc...

What is truly amazing about all this is that you, and your group, can't seem to see what is obvious, that satan aka lucifer has deceived you into worshiping him!!!!! If you don't see it, then you are blind? Sorry, there's just not a nice way to put it... Whats sad is that he has shown you the evil in some areas, yet circled back around to catch you in another one of his many traps.

Look Yeshua said that broad is the way and wide is the gate that leads to destruction. You recognize some of these paths, unfortunately for you and your group you can't recognize the one that you are on.

There is only one way to heaven: "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

watchman42

Alchemist wrote:Watchman,

I admire your very strong convictions, but you must remember that others have strong convictions as well, and that their beliefs are just as valid to them as yours are to you.

Peace

watchman42 wrote:

GoldPeg9 wrote:

watchman42 wrote:

GoldPeg9 wrote:[size 12]NOT ALL PASTORS THOUGH! Evidently you haven't heard JOHN MacARTHUR teach against the Pope and the Papacy...

I highly recommend that you listen/read John MacArthur's links below as he exposes both the Pope and Billy Graham!

John MacArthur, truly a man of GOD......[/size]

http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/90-291#.Tq8HBGB20cg

http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons/80-227#.Tq8HfGB20cg[/quote]

Yes Watchman. There are many, many very good men and women who are Pastors - and even Priests. I've met some of them. They are innocent when they Know not what goes on either. They sincerely care, are constructive to life and have the best at heart for this precious Earth and all life upon her.

I feel it is our duty, once we know the facts - to expose the Clergy and Heads of Churches (and Government) who do NOT care and do Not have the best at heart for anyone.

Many of us who do expose the a-moral "people" on this planet often get bashed big time for talking about it.

Ben Fulford is just one of the people who has gained world-wide recognition (on the internet) for exposing so many Dark ones in so many different fields. Perhaps he isn't correct about ALL things, but I'll bet he is right on about most. Just because it's a new thought pattern to many, doesn't mean that it isn't true.

It's so shocking to people who have never heard of such things - people who trust their governments and trust their churches - that they (at first) name call, bash, run down and laugh - saying "what rubbish" "what nonsense", only to later - after some time has gone by and investigating for themselves - they realize that what they heard is True.

You see, basically - the majority of people on this planet are Good. No matter how they worship - they believe in a God over all that is. It's the same God, no matter what they name it.

They back up what they believe with, "it says in the bible", "it says in the Koran" it says in, "what ever their book is" that their belief and their religion is the One and Only "True" one. Each one calling the other, "Pagan" Pagan to many brings up thoughts of Evil, wrong, or bad.

Pagan doesn't mean no faith in God. A real Pagan (stemming from old Mother Earth faiths that the Clergy of Rome smothered) means Believing that GOD is in ALL things Everywhere. So - when in name calling by Muslims, Jews, Christians etc. - these are not Pagan. Real Pagans feel from the heart and have more Christ God Consciousness then all of those who condemn.

When it comes right down to it - unless a person is now awake and aware to all that is hidden - all they believe in has been passed on down to them from those who have believed the same things before them.

So many people do things the same way as their parents, grandparents, relatives, peers - etc - without questioning why? Why do "we" think they are right?

GoldPeg9,

You and I share some common beliefs, mainly that many religious groups today have been compromised; and at the very top sets the catholic church, which I believe is the very seat of the antichrist and his antichrist system - pagan worship. There is so much evidence, but what is most compelling is in the Book of Revelation where it states in Revelation 17:4 ...'And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication.' ... This description alone fits the Roman Catholic Church. The main colours of the bishops and cardinals are scarlet and purple. You have to know that if it were possible the catholic church would do anything to change those two simple colors - purple and scarlet. Why not, blue and yellow or red and black? The reason: because God was helping us to recognize this apostate church and there is nothing that they can do to change what God has said.

Pagan is NOT anti-christ Watchman. You do NOT seem understand where the word came from, or listen to me, when I tell you.

For years the false definition of Pagan has been taught by the Clergy, starting with the Church of Rome many years ago. This was done on purpose to discredit the Old Mother Earth faiths where they recognised the Goddess as well.

The ONLY way the Church were able to FORCE these people to come into their church was to keep Mother Mary - representing the Goddess.

And again, you are quoting from your bible and Your beliefs. And you are running down other faiths that believe in God just as much as you do.

Their name for Jesus is Mohammad, Buddha, Allah, etc. Jesus real name was Yeshua
Ben Yoseph. The ROMANS tacked on the name Jesus, and made a martyr out of him - whether you believe it or not.

Did you even read what I wrote? Or are you just like my dead religious fanatical JW Dad who had such tunnel vision he would only be thinking about what he was going to preach back and never listen to the valid things other people were saying?

And the Pope and the Heads of the Catholic church do NOT allow women into their Illuminati domain - so what you are reading into this and quoting - was another addition by the clergy to confuse men and again stress that what ever was "woman" was evil.

Women have always been far above men in Spirituality - because their hearts are usually more open as is their feminine side - so the creators of religion had to discredit them in anyway they could. Men who can find their feminine side do much better with feeling and being flexible. The others only come from brain/mind.

And, yes they add purple to their colours to as a "slap in the face" to the magic Violet Flame - which can consume all evil and darkness. Their real colours are Black and Red.

Yes, Illuminati are a-moral and feelingless.

But they wrote most of the bible and created the first religions - of which many off shoots have formed - to dumb down and control the masses.

Have you ever researched how the bible was written - or do you just humbly accept all that's in it, without question?

Look Peggy,

I agree that Jesus' name is Yeshua and that the catholic pope is likely the antichrist himself for a multitude of reasons.

But what you are trying to do is bring God down to what you want Him to be instead of the One Triune God - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You cannot put Him in your pretty little box with a bow. You criticize me because I recognize Goddess worship for what it really is- another way of attempting to replace Jehovah or worse. try to make Him equal to other so-called gods and goddesses. Examples: Mother Earth, Allah, Buddha, etc...

What is truly amazing about all this is that you, and your group, can't seem to see what is obvious, that satan aka lucifer has deceived you into worshiping him!!!!! If you don't see it, then you are blind? Sorry, there's just not a nice way to put it... Whats sad is that he has shown you the evil in some areas, yet circled back around to catch you in another one of his many traps.

Look Yeshua said that broad is the way and wide is the gate that leads to destruction. You recognize some of these paths, unfortunately for you and your group you can't recognize the one that you are on.

There is only one way to heaven: "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

watchman42

Alchemist wrote:GolpPeg9,

Your childhood, "My religious fanatical Dad used to pick a blade of grass and shake it in my face and yell at me, "can YOU do this?" Well can you?!" He nearly had a heart attack,(when I said I could plant the seed)" ouch!

What would he have said if he witnessed genetic bio-engineering? Have you seen the bioluminescent tobacco plant with the addition of the firefly gene? Would he have just found a way to reason it to match his beliefs?

terbo56 wrote:Uh, what happened to all the stolen and sold infants- Wasn't that was what this thread started out as- Just asking?

terbo56 wrote:Uh, what happened to all the stolen and sold infants- Wasn't that was what this thread started out as- Just asking?

GoldPeg9 wrote:

terbo56 wrote:Uh, what happened to all the stolen and sold infants- Wasn't that was what this thread started out as- Just asking?

Do you really want to know?..... They are either sold to very wealthy people desperate to adopt and will pay a fortune to do so - or, they are used by the pedophiles in the cults for their sick practices and used as blood sacrifices (like Skull & Bones society & Bohemian grove) or sold into slavery/prostitution. Or, like in the videos posted in this thread.

Some people are going to be very shocked (out of their minds some) when they learn the names of some of the most prominent people in government history - who are associated with these groups.

Much is exposed by a victim of these - Cathy O'Brien, in her book with Mark Phillips - 'Transformation of America'

jahlives wrote:

Alchemist wrote:Watchman,

I admire your very strong convictions, but you must remember that others have strong convictions as well, and that their beliefs are just as valid to them as yours are to you.

Peace

______

Amen, Alchemist. No man can determine what is truth for another - that is the beauty of this Creation miracle. Namaste.

http://www.exposingchristianity.com/index.htm

"....everything in the Christian religion and in the bible has been STOLEN from other religions that predated it from all around the world. Christianity is a tool for removing spiritual/occult knowledge from the populace so this power can be kept in the hands of a few to manipulate and enslave the masses. "
To really understand the Bible and see the truth, one must be very well educated in the occult. The mass mind is very powerful. When one studies long enough and acquires advanced knowledge of the occult, the truth is utterly shocking. The entire Judeo/Christian Bible is a hoax of catastrophic proportions with a very clear objective using subliminal means and the channeled psychic energy of believers.

Whenever Christianity or its cohorts took control of a country or region, the ancient spiritual texts and records were removed and/or destroyed and those who had spiritual knowledge were mass murdered by the Inquisition. This took out of circulation the very knowledge those in power have used and still use to manipulate the ignorant population using spiritual/occult power. The Bible is one of the most powerful subliminal tools used by a select few to enslave the masses. Most people are unaware of this because they lack knowledge regarding the occult, thought power, and psychic energy. The powers that be work to reinforce the belief that the occult, powers of the mind and spirit are nonsense or just plain bunk.

pgo wrote:I have rread about the similarities of other early religions in the
Bible, but nothing about the first people not being Adam and Eve. Where is that info? Or maybe you could expound on it a bit?

Alchemist wrote:The Greeks had an interesting concept, that mankind did not originate at one place, but at various places on the earth at about the same time. This creation legend may not represent all of their varying beliefs, but it coincides with the second post up. In case you were going to ask, from personal studies. I'm sure it can be googled...

Also, who and where did Cain find a wife, he slew his brother and only he and Adam and Eve were on the planet. No clear explanation is offered biblically. If one continues with this line of thought... who did Adam and Eve's children marry if not each other? Don't ask me, I'm the one asking.