DINAR DAILY
Welcome to Dinar Daily Discussions !

DINAR DAILY

Join Us for Dinar Discussions and More -- We Keep it REAL
 
HomeFAQLog inRegister

FOLLOW US ON TWITTER

DINAR INFORMATION LINKS

Dinar Daily News and Roos

Enter your email address: To Receive the News and Roos to your Inbox

Delivered by FeedBurner

OTHER SITES TO VISIT

Out of Mind

Mum's Hang Out

Nannee's Place

Baghdad Invest

Susy's Thinking Place

R. Anthony Ministries

SUGGESTED READING (click on the book to learn more)

 

Share | 
 

 Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?

View previous topic View next topic Go down 
AuthorMessage
wizkid
First Class
First Class


Posts: 93
Join date: 2011-06-27

PostSubject: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:30 am

I found this today when I ran across a marketing video on youtube. I thought it was funny how a mod at a site claims to be a trust expert and has exclusive calls on the matter. I like the PTR family personally but that's just because I like the positive attitudes and the banter, but pass the word and pass it as fast as you need to stay away from taking trust advise from a known scammer. This is in no way bashing. here's some links read it for yourself



http://www.justice.gov/tax/txdv09219.htm

http://www.justice.gov/tax/Renfrow_Compl.pdf

http://www.justice.gov/tax/Aldridge_PermInj.pdf

http://homebasedbusiness.com/profile/RaymondRenfrow

http://www.youtube.com/user/RayRen982002


Last edited by wizkid on Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:46 am; edited 5 times in total
Back to top Go down
sandwedge
Elite Member
Elite Member


Posts: 1251
Join date: 2011-10-14

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:32 am

I believe this Ray guy is Tony Renfrow's brother. Stay clear of the Renfrow family gang. Bad news bears..

Go RV..
Back to top Go down
tootles
Elite Member
Elite Member


Posts: 341
Join date: 2011-08-10
Age: 59
Location: Texas

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:04 pm

Thanks sandwedge for the heads up.
Back to top Go down
bigal66
Novice
Novice


Posts: 28
Join date: 2011-07-10
Age: 70

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:55 pm

Sandwedge; I think when you go accusing people of things like this that you should give some PROOF. Personally, I don't just go on someones word that I don't know and I know them better than you. I am just tired of the bashing from everywhere. just saying.
Back to top Go down
sandwedge
Elite Member
Elite Member


Posts: 1251
Join date: 2011-10-14

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:25 pm

bigal66 wrote:
Sandwedge; I think when you go accusing people of things like this that you should give some PROOF. Personally, I don't just go on someones word that I don't know and I know them better than you. I am just tired of the bashing from everywhere. just saying.

Birds of a feather seem to flock together. Tony at PTR's name is Tony Renfrow. Tonya and Dan have had his brother on several of their CC's so that his brother Ray could pitch himself. That's understandable, but being related to Tony gives him a blemish IMO.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/directory/Tony-Renfrow.aspx

If you want to use him bigal66, knock yourself out. Remember that after this RV, you will want to be focused on protecting your assets. Careful who you put your trust in.

Go RV..
Back to top Go down
lzenglish1969
Amateur
Amateur


Posts: 32
Join date: 2011-08-05

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:23 pm

Tony's brother refers to himself as Ray Ren. How do we know that Ren is short for Renfrow? Also, there must be thousands of Ray Renfrows in the US. I would like to know if it is the same guy.
Back to top Go down
terbo56
VIP Member
VIP Member


Posts: 6928
Join date: 2011-06-18
Age: 58
Location: florida

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:11 pm

You would b correct-
Back to top Go down
Gmansaid
Elite Member
Elite Member


Posts: 774
Join date: 2011-06-18
Age: 50

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:55 pm

Shop around...
Back to top Go down
bigal66
Novice
Novice


Posts: 28
Join date: 2011-07-10
Age: 70

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:16 pm

sandwedge; you have yet to offer any P R O O F about what you are saying. I don't intend on using Ray for anything at this moment. However, I have no reason to bash the guy. I have heard him on the conf. call several times and I think he sounds like a credible fellow. Same with Tony. Let us see the P R O O F before you go and make statements that have not been confirmed. You sir are guilty of false gossip until then.
Back to top Go down
1alaskan
Elite Member
Elite Member


Posts: 4736
Join date: 2011-06-21
Age: 31
Location: Planet far far away

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:18 pm

The wit brothers, half and dim

**************************
Being defeated is often a temporary condition. Giving up is what makes it permanent.
Marilyn Vos Savant


Yesterday would have been better, but today is a good day

Remember as always, JMHO
Rantings from just north of sixty
Back to top Go down
openmind
Elite Member
Elite Member


Posts: 2905
Join date: 2011-07-09

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:22 pm


THE BROTHERS RENFROW!

**************************
RON PAUL 2012


"People want to see real hope restored, not false hope hyped up!" ---Me

"I either want less corruption, or more chance to participate in it."---Dinar Pumpers
Back to top Go down
openmind
Elite Member
Elite Member


Posts: 2905
Join date: 2011-07-09

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:26 pm

"WASHINGTON – A federal court has permanently barred Raymond A. Renfrow of Elm City, N.C., from preparing federal income tax returns for others, the Justice Department announced today. The U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of North Carolina entered the civil injunction order, which also stops Renfrow from promoting a tax fraud scheme that used sham trusts to falsely deduct customers’ non-deductible personal expenses. The court found that Renfrow prepared tax returns for customers that have caused an estimated loss to the U.S. Treasury of more than $1.4 million."

Hasn't Tony told people on the CCs to contact Ray Renfrow for setting up trusts and such?

**************************
RON PAUL 2012


"People want to see real hope restored, not false hope hyped up!" ---Me

"I either want less corruption, or more chance to participate in it."---Dinar Pumpers
Back to top Go down
openmind
Elite Member
Elite Member


Posts: 2905
Join date: 2011-07-09

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:37 pm


**************************
RON PAUL 2012


"People want to see real hope restored, not false hope hyped up!" ---Me

"I either want less corruption, or more chance to participate in it."---Dinar Pumpers
Back to top Go down
sandwedge
Elite Member
Elite Member


Posts: 1251
Join date: 2011-10-14

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:45 pm

bigal66 wrote:
sandwedge; you have yet to offer any P R O O F about what you are saying. I don't intend on using Ray for anything at this moment. However, I have no reason to bash the guy. I have heard him on the conf. call several times and I think he sounds like a credible fellow. Same with Tony. Let us see the P R O O F before you go and make statements that have not been confirmed. You sir are guilty of false gossip until then.

I'm not guilty of anything pal. I have been in this a long time and I was on the 1st call CC that Tony and Dan introduced Ray, and guess how they introduced him? You got it, my brother Ray Renfrow. Why does he go by Ray Ren now? Who knows, he probably didn't want their to be an association between him and Tony, with Tony having his past. Why don't you search Dan Atkinson and take a peek at his past. Good guy? You decide, better yet, change your mind, use Ray and jeopardize your fortune. Unbelievable. Do some homework.

Go RV..
Back to top Go down
openmind
Elite Member
Elite Member


Posts: 2905
Join date: 2011-07-09

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:03 am

openmind wrote:

THEY Certainly look like they are BROTHERS RENFROW!

**************************
RON PAUL 2012


"People want to see real hope restored, not false hope hyped up!" ---Me

"I either want less corruption, or more chance to participate in it."---Dinar Pumpers
Back to top Go down
sandwedge
Elite Member
Elite Member


Posts: 1251
Join date: 2011-10-14

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:05 am

They are openmind. Good find on the Federal Court ban. Like I said in a previous post, "birds of a feather flock together".

Go RV..
Back to top Go down
openmind
Elite Member
Elite Member


Posts: 2905
Join date: 2011-07-09

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:12 am

the credit goes to WizKid, i just copied and pasted from his link....These guys are worse than I thought. Their mother must be really proud of them.

**************************
RON PAUL 2012


"People want to see real hope restored, not false hope hyped up!" ---Me

"I either want less corruption, or more chance to participate in it."---Dinar Pumpers
Back to top Go down
sandwedge
Elite Member
Elite Member


Posts: 1251
Join date: 2011-10-14

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:35 am

openmind wrote:
the credit goes to WizKid, i just copied and pasted from his link....These guys are worse than I thought. Their mother must be really proud of them.

Yeah really. Their poor mom. Never know, we are the one's responsible to teach our children. Sometimes the apple doesn't fall to far from the tree. I feel bad for the people paying those guys at PTR.

Go RV.
Back to top Go down
wizkid
First Class
First Class


Posts: 93
Join date: 2011-06-27

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:55 am

The question should be who's the guy on PTR that calls himself RayRen that's giving trust advise over the phone on conference calls to thousands of people? Then there is an exact said named person out there that uses both RayRen for a userid and name is Raymond Renfrow. A said Raymond Renfrow that has been convicted of trust fraud and is highly involved in the marketing game

If you need proof of anything I would think it would be to ask RayRen98 Raymond Renfrow on PTR the honest and caregiving trust specialist if he's the same RayRen98 Raymond Renfrow the trust specialist found guilty of trust fraud and banned for life from filing federal tax returns across the nation a mere few years ago.

My purpose isn't to bash this guy cause I'm not. Obviously it was his own choice to do the scamming. I'm not creating anything that hasn't already happened and easily accessible on google. I'm thinking about the thousands of people that take advise from a federally convicted scamming fraud trust specialist. I think he's the same guy, I'm sure most the people reading this can put 2 and 2 together. If you can't well you're just not looking hard enough and your entitled to that. The $15 per month being paid IMO is only beefing up the contact list that these guys will hold dear to their hearts. What do you think will happen post RV if 3 guys all involved in shaky activity and heavy marketing skills have a magic list? A list with about 20,000 names of instant millionaires? They're going to sell the crap out of that list. Let's see they have a list that needs lawyers, bankers, trust specialists, metals dealers, investment firms, etc etc the list goes on and on. There's a bigger picture going on than just a few guys trying to help folks out.
Back to top Go down
openmind
Elite Member
Elite Member


Posts: 2905
Join date: 2011-07-09

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:31 am

Yep yep...Buyer Beware!

**************************
RON PAUL 2012


"People want to see real hope restored, not false hope hyped up!" ---Me

"I either want less corruption, or more chance to participate in it."---Dinar Pumpers
Back to top Go down
zerhourwriter
Elite Member
Elite Member


Posts: 349
Join date: 2011-07-24

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:53 am

wizkid,

I wont give my opinion on RayRen because, well, I don't have one. But I will also remid everyone that the same (what wizkid said) can be said about all the dinar dealers.

They have your Name, Address, some even have your bank account numbers depending on how long you've been buying IQD. But none the less they have your info and it will be sold. You can believe that! Just pray that its only sold to scammers and banks and not worst people than that.

So change EVERYTHING!!! And if they sent stuff to your home than I would say move....

...And thats why I've only bought from currency exchanges, in cash.
Back to top Go down
ruthie23
Elite Member
Elite Member


Posts: 165
Join date: 2011-08-11

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:46 am

Yes well expect to be banned from PTR if you call him out. I called them all out months ago and was obliterated (I am more than pleased to say) Very Happy

Not sure about all the dealers Zerhourwriter, we bought all ours years ago from Dinar Trade UK, and they have all their ducks in a row over here, nonetheless yes we did buy for cash, just for convenience really. I have no doubts about their credibility, Beloved and I have ways of checking!

Anyway we are all adults, so I suppose that we must all plough our own furrow, I am never ceased to be amazed though at the gullibility out there Shocked
Back to top Go down
Seraphim
Amateur
Amateur


Posts: 35
Join date: 2011-06-21

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:03 am




THERE'S A SUCKER BORN EVERY MINUTE!

P.T. Barnum[i]


Last edited by Seraphim on Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:04 am; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : I was not able to load a pic of P,T, Barnum only got a long string of data, so I erased it)
Back to top Go down
openmind
Elite Member
Elite Member


Posts: 2905
Join date: 2011-07-09

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:09 am


**************************
RON PAUL 2012


"People want to see real hope restored, not false hope hyped up!" ---Me

"I either want less corruption, or more chance to participate in it."---Dinar Pumpers
Back to top Go down
bigal66
Novice
Novice


Posts: 28
Join date: 2011-07-10
Age: 70

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:53 am

sanwedge; finally there is some P R O O F to your accusations. I think now that it is time to consider weather you or your family will do buisness with them. I am in no way supporting anyone who is not legitamate or legal, the only point that I was trying to make is don't go throwing out accusations without proof. That can cause disruption on the site and also in the long run bring you grief from the accused if it can not be verified. I do listen to the PTR group, I like Dan being on the grounded side and I like Gary and Dr. Todd, but on the other hand, I have nothing against Tony. If you don't care for Tony, that is your opinion and your are most definately allowed to have your own opinion and I will respect that. Again, as I stated before, just don't go accusing someone without proof. GODS blessings to everyone on the site and GOD BLESS AMERICA. GooooooooooooooRvvvvvvvvvvvv.
Back to top Go down
dinarstar
VIP Member
VIP Member


Posts: 2299
Join date: 2011-10-09

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:20 pm

Birds of a feather lmao
Back to top Go down
sandwedge
Elite Member
Elite Member


Posts: 1251
Join date: 2011-10-14

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:26 pm

bigal66 wrote:
sanwedge; finally there is some P R O O F to your accusations. I think now that it is time to consider weather you or your family will do buisness with them. I am in no way supporting anyone who is not legitamate or legal, the only point that I was trying to make is don't go throwing out accusations without proof. That can cause disruption on the site and also in the long run bring you grief from the accused if it can not be verified. I do listen to the PTR group, I like Dan being on the grounded side and I like Gary and Dr. Todd, but on the other hand, I have nothing against Tony. If you don't care for Tony, that is your opinion and your are most definately allowed to have your own opinion and I will respect that. Again, as I stated before, just don't go accusing someone without proof. GODS blessings to everyone on the site and GOD BLESS AMERICA. GooooooooooooooRvvvvvvvvvvvv.

Fair enough. I try to research who and what we can, and I'm usually pretty careful in what I say. You ask for proof from me, but don't seem to ask for links and/or question the Guru's. I know that it's a fast way to get banned, because I have been there, don that, but try not to accept everything you read here as the bible. Look into things you question, and you will find some of the answers.

Go RV...
Back to top Go down
1alaskan
Elite Member
Elite Member


Posts: 4736
Join date: 2011-06-21
Age: 31
Location: Planet far far away

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:08 pm

Why would anyone take advice about taxes from a guy on a CC.



That is something you need to get face to face with the guy who could give you the wrong info and YOU end up with huge taxes due and/or in jail.

**************************
Being defeated is often a temporary condition. Giving up is what makes it permanent.
Marilyn Vos Savant


Yesterday would have been better, but today is a good day

Remember as always, JMHO
Rantings from just north of sixty
Back to top Go down
openmind
Elite Member
Elite Member


Posts: 2905
Join date: 2011-07-09

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:56 am

alreadyblessed: 8:30 pm est - TONY UPDATE :::::: No call tonite but there is great information coming in - everything is still on track - it is all directed the way we want - enjoy your weekend - we are almost there - I REALLY BELIEVE WE HAVE REACHED OUR CONCLUSION AND I PROMISE THAT WE WILL DO A CALL TOMORROW! TNT (Tomorrow Never Today) ::::::

**************************
RON PAUL 2012


"People want to see real hope restored, not false hope hyped up!" ---Me

"I either want less corruption, or more chance to participate in it."---Dinar Pumpers
Back to top Go down
Ponee
Admin
Admin


Posts: 17564
Join date: 2011-08-09

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:32 am

THIS POST IS FROM 2011 in regards to RAY RENFROW -- Tony RENFROW'S BROTHER

**************************
Back to top Go down
Daox13
Elite Member
Elite Member


Posts: 685
Join date: 2013-09-11
Location: USA

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:10 am

this was a funny read... that must have been when you had a split following.

**************************
couch  Always Be Cautiously Optimistic
Back to top Go down
Ponee
Admin
Admin


Posts: 17564
Join date: 2011-08-09

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:15 am

YES, it was ... But it shows that there were many even then that had TONY and RAY's number.  It still amazes me how he has created such a following on such a criminal track record.

**************************
Back to top Go down
Daox13
Elite Member
Elite Member


Posts: 685
Join date: 2013-09-11
Location: USA

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:37 am

Like I have said before, People are selfish and greedy, they want want want, and because of their need to want they overlook the basic facts.

Its sad, but they are just asking to be scammed..

Its like in most Disney movies that are made for KIDS! Abu the monkey just couldn't keep his hands to himself and overlooked the consequence of his actions and would have been buried alive by his own greed if there was not someone looking after him.
Yes I know that's a kids movie, but I think they hold much more weight in this situation because as Kids we are taught not to be like that, so as adult we have no excuse for our actions. It is the most basic lesson in life and yet the one that I believe is the hardest for people to learn.

**************************
couch  Always Be Cautiously Optimistic
Back to top Go down
BlueSky
Mileage Junkie
Mileage Junkie


Posts: 110
Join date: 2011-07-12

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:05 pm

Watch American Greed on CNBC.  It's amazing what these scammers do to people.  They get caught and go to jail and then do the same thing when they are released.  AARP has been trying to warn members about a lot of these scams.
Back to top Go down
HezekiaH
VIP Member
VIP Member


Posts: 1339
Join date: 2011-06-17
Location: Earth

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:32 am

Thanks for the referral. I have been looking for someone to do my US taxes after the CE.

**************************
Wealth is what you have when all your money is gone!!!
Back to top Go down
ssmith
VIP SECRET AGENT


Posts: 1219
Join date: 2012-04-10

PostSubject: Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?   Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:37 am

HezekiaH wrote:
Thanks for the referral. I have been looking for someone to do my US taxes after the CE.
  Don't wait until after the CE.  You have to contact him now to get your trusts set up.  That's very important.  He is having classes on setting up trusts and such.  The instructions were to contact Rayren98@aol.com and in the subject line put "Please add me to your list for classes".
Back to top Go down
 

Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?

View previous topic View next topic Back to top 
Page 1 of 1

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
DINAR DAILY ::  ::  :: -