8/24/2011 - FIVE YEARS AGO In DINARLAND

by **Ssmith** Wed Aug 24, 2016 11:20 am

REMEMBER WHEN THE GURUS SAID.........

Guru OkieOilman: IS ANYONE AWAKE??? OKIE NAILED IT---IT HAS JUST R/V'D IN IRAQ AT 3.68---17 MINUTES AGO. IT HAPPENED AT MIDNIGHT CENTRAL TIME AND I GOT THE CALL 7 MINUTES LATER----R/V AT 3.68---WAKE YOUR FRIENDS UP.

DO NOT ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT IT IS TOO EARLY TO ANSWER----THE ONLY DETAILS I KNOW NOW IS IT DID R/V AT 3.68---SHOULD KNOW MORE IN THE MORNING

WHAT A BIRTHDAY PRESENT---PRAISE JESUS--THANK YOU GOD

THE HACK ON ME WAS NOT BLAINO AS SOME HAD SPECULATED AND SOMEONE OWES BLAINO AN APOLOGY

I HAVE NO MORE INFORMATION THAN WAS JUST FURNISHED ME AT 12.07 AM FROM IRAQ THAT IT JUST R/V'D AT 3.68 THAT IS ALL I KNOW NOW---THE MYRIAD OF DETAILS SHOULD BE AVAILABLE TO US TOMMOROW---(TODAY) 3.68 US THE RATE

I HAVE BEEN TOLD ALL ALONG I WOULD KNOW WHEN IT R/V/D 20 MINUTES AFTER IT HAPPENED----IT ONLY TOOK 7 MINUTES.
I WAS NOT THE ONLY ONE ROWING THIS BOAT----I HAD LOT'S OF HELP. PLEASE REALIZE THIS WAS NOT ALL ABOUT OKIE--THIS CAME ABOUT BY TEAM WORK BY ALL THE MOD'S ON THIS SITE AND FROM HIGH SOURCES YOU WILL NEVER HEAR ABOUT---THIS IS ABOUT US----NOT ME PERSONALLY

GET OFF THAT GREAT BRITON POUND CRAP TILL YOU KNOW FOR SURE---IT WAS GIVEN TO ME IN US DOLLARS---JUST READ THE POSTS OF THOSE WHO ARE ALREADY GREEDY----MAKES ME SORRY I POSTED.

IT IS FINISHED. TODAY IS ALL OUR BIRTHDAYS--OUR LIVES STARTS FROM THIS POINT FORWARD

1 SHORT POST THEN I AM GONE FOR NOW. THE INFORMATION I RECEIVED WAS DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE GOV OF IRAQ AT AND CONSIDERED AS VALID. I HAVE JUST FIND OUT THAT AT MIDNIGHT MY TIME THE PING WAS SENT FROM THE CBI TO THE USA AND THE COMPUTERS OVER HERE DID NOT RESPOND. I HAVE JUST BEEN INFORMED THE PING WAS SENT BACK THRU THIS MORNING AT 8 E.S.T. AND THE PING DID GO THUR AND THAT THE INFORMATION I RECEIVED LAST NIGHT WAS CORRECT. I IN NO WAY WOULD EVER LEAD ANYONE ASTRAY OR FURNISH ANY INFORMATION THAT I DID NOT CONSIDER AS BEING CORRECT. I AM STILL BEING INFORMED IT HAPPENED THAT WAY AND WE SHOULD SEE IT AT BANKS SHORTLY. I APOLOGIZE FOR THE EXCITEMENT I CAUSED LAST NIGHT AS I WAS EXCITED MY SELF. I HAVE NEVER FELT SO BAD IN MY LIFE BECAUSE I FEEL I EITHER JUMPED THE GUN OR WAS MIS-LEAD MOMENTARILY. I APOLOGIZE--I KNOW NOTHING MORE TO SAY---IT IS HARD TO POST ANY NEW INTEL AT THIS TIME BUT I AM STILL BEING TOLD I WAS RIGHT AND IT SHOULD COME THRU SHORTLY--I SHOULD HAVE NOT SAID ANYTHING AND JUST LET THE RATE APPEAR ON IT'S OWN. I HAD READ SO MANY NEEDY STORIES I WAS TRYING TO UPLIFE AND ENCOURAGE AND GIVE IMMEDIATE HOPE TO THOSE WHO WERE HURTING.

Guru RichQueen: OKIE JUST GOT THE CALL FROM IRAQ. NOT SHOWING YET. CBI SHOULD HAVE IT BEFORE ANYONE. I KNOW OKIE WOULDN'T BE SO ADAMANT FOR NO REASON. AND MY INTEL SAID WE'D SEE IT TOMORROW TOO. OKIE IS ADVISING RV IN IRAQ

Guru BGG:    I do believe we are really close. we give you the best possible info that we can with the details we receive... KNOW when it hits, we will know within a matter of minutes...sources that say we are in the WINDOW for this to happen and the rate is the same as Okie had last night, this can happen anytime even tomorrow.

Guru GeorgiaBoy: Talked with two defferent sources that say wall street confirms 3.68 today. One guy has seat on exchange, and said it's a go. they say 2pm , but it would make sense to do it at 5 to 5:30 this evening.

Just trying to confirm what we aready know. Okie let the cat out. I just hope it's true and the rate is what is being said

Guru Winalot: just talked to someone who ahs talked to jeff- says it's a go!

Guru Poppy2: when the info came out it was Dead on...and I STILL believe it was DONE last night...bottom line is we are in the window of 24-48 hours to get this done.  this morning all got upset they didn’t see it and they can't put in banking system till after 2-4 pm .or at night after 10:30 and it will have a predetermined date to go off - GIVE IT TIME TO GET INTO the system

PEOPLE THAT CONTRIBUTE NOTHING CAN SURE BE CRITICAL...THE GLOBAL BANKING SYSTEM CAN ONLY UPDATE BETWEEN 2 AND 4 PM AND AFTER 10PM WHEN THEY CAN LOAD SOMETHING INTO THE SYSTEM AFTER IT IS LOADED THEN IT CAN SHOW AT ANY MOMENT...THE TIME IS NOT EVEN HERE YET FOR THE AMERICAN BANKING SYSTEM.  HAVE SOME PATIENCE AND DEVELOPE SOME RESPECT.

Guru Dinar Daddy: It has NOT revalued, or we’d be able to see it EVERYWHERE! If it has changed in value, it obviously has NOT revalued for US publicly.   I respectfully disagree with the report coming from his [Okie's] camp (whether intentional or unintentional) that the Iraqi Dinar has revalued, as always… we wait!

Guru Adam Montana: Ramadan is 5 days from being over, once Ramadan is done we should see an OFFICIAL conclusion and implementation of the Arbil agreement. we will hopefully see the HCL resolved in very short order, Chapter 7 isn’t lifted yet. my opinion is that the plan is to lift Chapter 7 in the same week that the HCL is resolved and it’s also my opinion that we will see the Dinar change value within 10 days of that announcement. I seriously think we are at least a couple of weeks out.

Guru TNT Tony: TONY said that this source did Call Okie to say this RV did happen and we looked and we could not confirm this - as this time there is only two things we can do - the date or the rate is all we can do for now... So much info is being sent out right now that is ludicrious and its not worth talking about - Starting this past Monday info that was being put out last night was just that and it did pinged last night and it was repinged this morning and we will see it tomorrow morning and if this is the case we will see it before Friday and I also heard that that we would see it on Wednesday anyway.... Wednesday is not over- we are still hearing this will NOT absolutely go past the29th or 1st at all = these are all credible - so all we have to so somewhere in the next 7 days this should be over is what we are hearing- ON a personal side I talked to Okie this morning and he is feeling the worst he is ever felt ever and I tell you guys and He was crying on the phone he felt so bad and today is his birthday - and he could have been used as a conduit to see where a leak was and what ever Biden is doing at this time... DO NOT Get too high or too low as it is going to happen they are purposely putting out this information right now going forward

Guru Omnigirl: EVERYONE GET THEIR DANCING SHOES ON.... I HAVE MINE... NOW I JUST NEED A NEW PAIR OF DECK SHOES.. AND I AM READY FOR A PARTY ON THE YACHT!
OH IT IS A DONE DEAL.......WE HAVE RV........ THE SCREENS WILL BE UPDATED LATER TODAY... WAS WHAT I WAS TOLD...........MEAN TIME CHILL.. OR WORK ON YOUR AFTER RV PLANS..... CAUSE BABY..... IT IS NOW AFTER THE FACT!......AND THAT IS A FACT!

I AM TOLD WE SHOULD SEE IT ON THE SCREENS THIS AFTERNOON......AND NO... MY SOURCE IS NOT OKIE'S SOURCE......... BUT WE DO SHARE INFO....... AND IT IS CONFIRMING FOR US... THAT IT IS DONE! .I HAVE A FRIEND WHO WILL HAVE A YACHT........... THAT WORKS BETTER FOR ME! AND BY THE WAY..... YOU ALL KNOW THAT THE RV DID OCCUR.... AND THE RATE WILL SHOW THIS AFTERNOON ON THE CBI STIE.... RIGHT? ...................PARTY PARTY PARTY PARTY!!!EXACTLY THIS AFTERNOON OR EARLY EVENING.... WAS WHAT I WAS TOLD....... SO JUST KEEP WATCHING.. AND WHEN YOU KNOW... WE WILL ALL KNOW!

Guru BWM: INFORMATION COMING IN FROM MULTIPLE SOURCES SAYING THAT THE INFORMATION PRESENTED BY OKIE IS DEAD ON... JUST WAITING TO SEE THE RATE LIVE FOR US..

Guru Checkmate Dan: Was given a call last night that was a little disturbing to me.  I was excited in the begining because the number given was 3.67, which is a number that I am comfortable with. Then I was told who said it...This is so much crap - they say well, it did happen, we just don't know it yet. Our sources said it's not going to happen before Friday. It has not happened. It is close.

Guru Amadden: I want to stay grounded and would like to ask the same for you, my contact called and he needs to check on a few things to go with it and he said he will not be able to confirm it for another 4 to 5 hours, so I ask please get some sleep, I know it will be hard, but please try and be back for about 5 hours or less, I am not by any means putting Okie down, him and myself are way too close for something like that, but I want my own confirmation, and as soon as I get it you will have it also.

But my point is I did not want you and we had a lot on wee hours this morning to get overly upbeat, and asked several times to let our confirmations to come through and then we can all get excited together, and we will and it should not be very long and it is with in hours (I know 1000 hours is hours too). But I do have additional confirmations this is done, BUT PLEASE STAY GROUNDED

Okay just got that above from one of my other sources, that it did RV at 3.68 but is not sure if that is against the GBP or CBI rate or not, we should see it within 48 hours and earliest cash in will be Monday as of now, but I still want that one from my one guy and as soon as I get that we should be good to go. But please stay grounded till we see it, but you can start to get excited, it is time for that. global but will not be able to do anything up to 48 hours the normal time once a RV as happened.

Hello everyone, okay this is hard to say, but this is why I asked everyone to stay grounded, I did hear from my contact and there was no RV and I have talked with Okie and he is very – very upset knowingly he mislead anyone, I have never seen Okie this upset, he trusted his source and those things can happen. But my source did say we do have a chance of this RVing by Friday and cash in on Monday, so again that is a “SHOULD” so please let’s stay grounded has I asked since last night, I do ask for you all not to be hard or talk about Okie, he is a very dear friend of mine and I know he would not intentionally do this. So has of right now there is no RV pending. I will take questions providing I have time to answer them, Thank you!

Guru Bear5642: WAITING ON CALLS TODAY FROM IRAQ TO CONFIRM INFORMATION ABOUT AN RV IN IRAQ. I AM 100% BEHIND OKIE, LETS JUST SAY I LIKE TO HAVE 2 OR MORE WITNESSES IN EVERYTHING. ONE OF MY CONTACTS, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF HIS BUSINESS, WILL KNOW IF THIS HAS HAPPENED. I STILL FEEL CONFIDENT WITH THE 28TH HOWEVER IT CAN HAPPEN SOONER.

Guru Vic1: Folks, I have recieved Information from my Chinese Friends that had told me that this RV was to have happen when Shab's came here in April when to set up the 2 bank accounts! My "Friend" who is involved with China in respect to Monetary Policies stated to me today.... Keep your EYE'S Peeled OPEN! I have been in the same time frame as OKIE... The Mis-fire or Pinging is Elelmentary! THIS IS HAPPENING As We SPEAK! Do Not look at Jackson Hole, WY., as SHABIBI'S coming out "HAZE" Party! John Jipski... Does that name sound familiar? His RESUME... He Brought the wholesale division of the DINAR to the USA! He worked with Lehmann Bros., and also J.P. Morgan Chase! Lipski is the greatest mind in Currency Exchange MATCHING! Big Ben is good ... Shab's is good... WB is good... Imf is good! When I saw John Lipski's Name on the LIST ... I said " TIMING" it is all about ... " TIMING"! The "TIMING"... IS GREAT! JOHN LIPSKI held down the IMF until Christine Legarde took over! Be Bright Eyed and Bushy ... Tailed TODAY!

Guru BondLady: we are already seeing the facts and the truth. it HASNT RV'D, that [is] the truth. our moderator, the crow, is a firefighter in iraq he would know, so no it hasnt happened yet, wish it was true

Guru Georgiaboy: Talked with two different sources that say wall street confirms 3.68 today. One guy has seat on exchange, and said it's a go. they say 2 pm, but it would make sense to do it at 5 to 5:30 this evening

Guru Bulldog75: FLASH!!! 9:30AM EST: WE ARE PROCEEDING WITH CAUTION AT $3.67 usd FOR THE IQD. BANK/FOREX MAY NOT SHOW THE RATE UNTIL LATER IN THE DAY BETWEEN 2 - 4PM EST WHEN WE GET CONFIRMATION FROM BANK ALIGNMENTS. YOU WILL PROBABLY BE ABLE TO CASH IN TOMORROW/THURSDAY OR FRIDAY AS BIG BANKS ARE AVAILABLE TO ACCOMODATE YOU. LARGER CITIES IN TX, CA, NY, FL BE PREPARED TO TAKE A BASKIN ROBBINS NUMBER# SITUATION AND RETURN THE FOLLOWING DAY. OUR STAFF WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED AS WE PROGRESS DURING THE DAY. URGENT; KEEP A LOW PROFILE ON EVERYTHING!!! DO NOT USE YOUR HOME ADDRESS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES FOR ANY TRANSACTIONS!!! WE ARE HERE ALL DAY FOR YOU. STAY ON THIS SITE FOR MINUTE BY MINUTE UPDATES. THE NEXT 24-48HOURS ARE CRUCIAL OTHER THAN THE SAFETY OF YOUR FAMILY.. BLESSINGS TO EVERYONE. WE ARE SO HAPPY FOR ALL OUR TEAM, STAFF, DINARIANS OF THE WORLD. LEXIE WILL POST INTO THE FORUM IMMEDIATELY ALL INFO AND HAVE IMMEDIATE LINKS FOR OUR TEAM ADVICE AND SITUATION.

I AM GETTING PM'S ABOUT HOME ADDRESS; THE GREATEST SAFETY ADVICE RIGHT NOW IS TO SIT STILL. DO NOTHING EXCEPT GET A TENATIVE PO BOX FOR BANK MAILINGS. DO NOT USE YOUR HOME ADDRESS FOR ANYTHING RELATED TO YOUR CURRENCY INVESTMENTS. OVER 12 BANK/IRS/UST EMPLOYEES WILL SEE YOUR CASHINS FOR DAYS TO COME. THAT INFO CAN BE COMPROMISED IMMEDIATELY. TAKE URGENT CAUTION AND WE REPEAT DO NOT USE YOUR HOME ADDRESS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES FOR IQD TRANSACTIONS!!!

EVERYONE; REGARDING OTHER CURRENCIES INCLUDING DONG; I HAVE ADDRESSED THAT AT A SPECULATIVE .25-.35; FOR EVERYONE'S SAFETY AND PEACE OF MIND WE WILL LET THAT ISSUE REST RIGHT NOW AT THOSE RATES. THATS A FACT. AMEN. ALL RATES SOULD POST SOMETIMES BETWEEN 2-4PM EST TODAY; AT LASTEST 12 MIDNIGHT TONITE WHEN TOTAL WORLD BANKS AND FOREX SHOULD ALIGN.

EVERYONE: Lots of different security advice: Quick Summary; 1.) never use home address 2.) secure NEW Po box address 3) secure new bank acct to have cash ins wired 4.) after one week transfer funds to another new account 5.) no use of ATMs for large CASH accts . 6. ) Seek competent legal and CPA advice from PROVEN sources. More coming on all that later tonight/tomorrow. Your staff is on top of all that and will post and relay to you other data as it becomes available. TY All! 08-24-11, 11.45 am EST.

"ITS A GREEN LIGHT GO FOR IQD" 96.35% RATE POST PROBABILITY CONTINUES ON/BEFORE TUES, AUG.30. Rates may post any hour. The trend continues up. All issues, conditions, situations, preparations are primed for a Rate Release. There are small banks and private Dinar Sites that have continued to sell currency through closing time of today Wed 8-24-11, including IQD and VD. These two rates continue to be estimated near: 3.67 IQD and .25 VD. This hold is: by the elite due to market & political situations; UST, Iraq govt, and recovering heisted/counterfeit dinar. Basket Rates may post at any hour, any day, up to/thru Aug. 30, IMO. World situation of: Money, Power and Oil reflects correct timing for imminent post soon. Dow/Markets may trend upward with commodities trending lower. Markets are being controlled and timed by the big players/soros/elite. Seek CPA, legal and security advise form relible sources. We are Blessed and Highly Favored. Let's stay postive and love others. We are in the right place at the right time for we are Chosen. Happy Birthday Mr. Okie! Amen.

Guru ChickenPlucker: I found a kid in the convenience store who had just come home for a short leave and told him about the dinar. Never saw him again until two days ago. (about 6 months) I ran into him at the same store. He had gone back to Iraq to finish out his tour and talked to his Captain about it. The jerk lied, but an old Master-sergeant heard part of the conversation and got him alone and told him to spend alllll of his money on dinar. The kid has 16 m dinar now. I told him to expect somewheree around $3.50 and HE WAS HAPPY. hE ASKED ME WHY THE ARMY HAD LIED TO THEM AND i TOLD HIM FOR THE SAME REASON THE BANKS LIED TO THEIR EMPLOYEES.. wHO'S GOING TO STAY IN THE ARMY IF THEY ARE RICH.

Guru ScottiG: close to my heart is Okie's call - we BOTH got the SAME CALL from same source, former CEO honor graduate of WestPoint and is retired now, said it is going live by 8am Iraq time. we BELIVE IT we still DO believe it, info from 5 sources that Okie shared was totally accurate JUST A LITTLE Early.   Take the stew in the pot off the stove its ready....

I debated whether or not to come on here and post. I received the information Okie did at 11:40 PM last night in a text. I called the contact to verify the information. I shared it with a couple of the Round Table members and advised them to wait and see what the morning brings. I believed the information for two reasons. First is that this person had been right on other information before. Second the person who shared it with me is a man of integrity and honor. Not a pumper. Not someone looking for a name. Not someone out to do anything more than work with a team to provide the best information related to the release of the RV.

Now I thought about calling Okie and encouraging him to hold off on sharing the information until we were able to confirm that the information was 100% viable. Hind-sight….I really wish I had. Did I believe the information? Yes I did. But I take the Ronald Regan approach….”Trust but verify”. I know that there are a ton of people who are bashing Okie for sharing the information ahead of it’s time. When I spoke to him earlier today I could hear the despondency in his voice. He said “I feel so bad and responsible. This is the worst birthday of my life!” I asked Okie if he was responsible for creating the information. He said “no but I feel so bad for the people who are hurting and are looking for guidance”. I advised him that first of all since he did not create the information, he had no reason to feel guilty about it being a bit off and as far as sharing information that was not totally confirmed I said I was glad to know that he was human! We all make mistakes! It goes with being human. Look! For all the idiots and numbskulls who are going to take this opportunity and bash an individual for trying to help people in need then I guess you might possibly be an alien and are not from the planet earth. Give it a rest you too make mistakes. At least Okie did it trying to help others. I assure you he is rethinking whether or not to relay any information again. You may very well be on your own until this RV finally busts loose and is in the bank.

I have had the phone stuck to my ears quite a bit today discussing tidbits of information. It is funny how now all the sudden some ‘intel purveyors’ are stating the rate is $3.6 something oh and now that is to the GBP or yeah we know for sure it is now $3.68 or 7 or 6. Just two weeks ago they were all saying they thought it might be $3.47. Like everyone else, you do not know squat. What do I know about the rate? I know what a very good source says and it was $3.68. Do I know that that is indeed the rate? Nope I don’t and personally I was looking a tad bit higher. Does it matter? Nope it doesn’t. Why is everyone so messed up about the rate. Come on now, let’s be smart for a change. Logically and by all indications the rate will be (like I said in my chat visit 10-23-11), that it would likely be upper mid $3 range. Am I 100% certain? Nope just connecting the dots which seems to be my part of this Easter Egg Hunt! There are only a hand full of people in the USA who know the actual rate. Anyone telling you they know it are blowing smoke up your backside. Heck I have a smoke burn on my backside that looks like someone peeled of me with big ole wide tires!

Do I think the RV could still pop today? Honestly it could. Due to information I have received for over a week that the 24th-26th were the absolute prime days for us to see the RV IN THE BANK! Why did I say that? Everyone is trying so desperately to know the exact second, the exact day, the exact rate….Come on!!!!! This is not a game it is an investment. It is good to have targets and a range for trading. There are a lot of investment guidelines which would be appropriate here. Please just back off the fevered pitched, instant gratification demand that is so prevalent in forums and chat rooms. Maybe it was a good thing that Okie brought the information ahead of the curve again (yes I say again, for he has brought information to investors for an awful long time 3-4 weeks out in-front of the event actually unfolding—–That is having great resources of information). This information was a more time-sensitive bit of news. Why do I think it was a good thing? Well to quote an old acquaintance from my audio recording days in Dallas back in 1980 “You need a check-up from the neck-up, to make sure you have an attitude of gratitude….” Zig Zigler!

I encourage each investor to back away from the computer. Even if it is only for a day. Forget about the RV for a little while. Do you think for one minute that with our network of investors this RV will happen and you not find out about it? Ain’t gonna happen. Why do I encourage everyone to do what I have had to do many times and still do? It is so we can maintain a clear head and sound focus on the things which are important! Maybe that is a wife or husband. Maybe it is a child or even a pet. Maybe the time away will help us to slow the frenzy down just enough that people like Okie, Poppy2, Bear, Dewy, Rabbi, BGG and many others of us will not feel so pressured to find the answer to the question “when is this going to RV and what is the rate?” 24 hours a day.

Do I think we are close? Yes so very close! Could I be wrong? Yes, but for many reasons, I do not think so. Be encouraged that we are so close that we are talking minutes and hours instead of weeks and months (I HOPE)! I like the path Gold took today! Do they perhaps know something? I will share something I have shared with many of the Round Table associates. IF? I do mean if the Govt of Iraq was indeed ready to RV in December 2010 (and all indications are that they were. I mean look at how Kuwait jumped the gun and RVed their currency in January and then had to do a retreat and pull it back) Look at the numerous times we have had very good information that the RV was minutes away and then it pulled back. OK, if indeed this is true then having ministers in place and announced, having WTO status, having all the “HAVE-TO-DO’s” done was a bunch of smoke and they could pull the friggen trigger any darn time they want or are told they can!!!!

This is my take on the state of affairs in Dinar land today!

Guru Enorrste: In the light of the recent excitement regarding whether in fact the RV has occurred or will occur in the next 24 hours or so, I do not want what I am going to read to you to sound like sour grapes. So I am going to go ahead and read my statement, after which I will comment on the recent intel and excitement.

I thought that it is about time that I came on and gave my perspective as to just exactly where we are again before this thing pops out in front of us all. At that point I won’t have anything to say, will I? So here goes.

First, for those of you who are newbies, I’d like to let you all into two simple facts that explain clearly just how I fit into the GET team profile. Unlike Rodney and TerryK, I have no contacts and no intel whatsoever.

Well, that isn’t exactly true. You see, I happen to be a close friend of Sinan Shabibi, the head of the CBI. But our relationship is “privileged” and I’m sworn to secrecy on almost everything we discuss. Actually, we don’t talk a lot together. He is, after all, half way around the world. But on occasions, such as this very week, incidentally, he does come to America and, when my busy schedule permits, we meet. Usually we meet in Newport Beach, California at the Balboa Bay Club. It is really quite a long trip for me, almost 90 miles one way, but, given the fact that he has come half way around the world I find it difficult to refuse his offers to play hand ball with me.

One would never suspect that a nearly 80 year old man could be a decent hand ball player, but he actually does beat me on occasion. You see I’m only 62, so I have an age advantage over him, so to speak.

What makes Sin so much fun – Oh, did I call him that? I’m sorry, but that is the nickname I’ve given Sinan Shabibi. Fortunately his English isn’t great, so he has no idea about the metaphor in calling him “Sin”. I only hope that Maliki or Zubaidi don’t let him in on my little secret!

Anyway, as I said, it is really difficult for me to divulge some of the very sensitive information that he has given me. Since the RV of the dinar is a huge global event, one that has to be handled with great delicacy, I’m sworn to secrecy, as I’ve said.

So, instead, I thought it might be fun to comment on some of the other “intel” that floats around on the internet on a daily and never-ending basis. I have no axe to grind with any individual in particular, so I will make every effort to avoid naming anyone. But I think that it is now time to clear the air on some of the more important issues that face us as we move to the finish line on this crazy ride.

What I am referring to is logic, simply put. I have found that there is a great deal of “fluff” that is expressed now on an ever increasing basis, and a great deal of it has no source other than the “fluff” source, if you will.

In saying that, I am certainly not denigrating any particular individual. In fact, as I have said many times in the past, I have a great deal of respect for any individual who has the courage to regurgitate something that has been fed to him, over and over again, ad infinitum, and ad nauseum.

The reality is that there is no intel that has yet proven to be accurate to any great degree. That is just a simple fact. What does that mean, really? Let’s examine this a moment before I get into a few particulars.

I suspect that it has not passed your eye that up until now the RV has failed to occur, be announced, or show up anywhere on a screen in a bank, on FOREX, or be announced on television. Yet for the last year or so that event has been heralded with such voluminous excitement that we all, if we are sentient beings, should have figured out by now that no one knows much of anything about this investment.

Well, I suspect that I now have your attention, so I may as well get down to some facts, as I understand them. I will start by dispelling what I call BS. I think that this term is an accurate description of some of these items.

Recently we had a guru announce that the RV would not occur until all of the dinars in the field were sold to folks like us. He said that the reason was because the US government wanted all of the dinars in our hands first so that they could get the capital gains taxes from us. Therefore this was an attempt, apparently driven by the Obama administration, to maximize the tax revenue from these dinars.

Now, I want you all to just ask yourself a simple question: if the dinars are in the US, whether held in a bank or by a trade company, or by us, do you really think that the US government won’t tax them when the RV occurs? In other words, for example, if there is a gain to be made, either by you and me, or by Ty, or Ali, or Robert, do you think for a minute that the US Government isn’t going to know about it and get their pound of flesh?

So, the “intel” sort of loses steam, doesn’t it? Do you GET it?

Let’s take another example that probably affects more than one guru. This can get complex so I will try to break it down into pieces for us, so that we can see just how absurd a lot of this stuff really is.

Let’s talk about the relationship of a now sovereign country, as we understand Iraq is now sovereign, and the US government. I find it amazing, actually, that there is a great deal of “intel” that purports to state not only that the US government has a great deal of influence over this RV, but that the gurus are privy to conversations held within the highest levels of our government on this very issue.

Once again, I appeal to your logic. How many countries in the world look to the US to determine their actions? That’s really a pretty simple question, isn’t it? Does Venezuela call the US government before it decides to do what it wants? I don’t think so.

Well, now, wait a minute, you might say: the US has MADE Iraq what it is today, and it has something to say about what goes on there, right? WRONG! If anyone ever had anything to say about what goes on in Iraq it was the UN, and they have announced more than once now that Iraq is SOVEREIGN.

The word sovereign is very important, because it has been used not only by the UN but also by our own president in regard to Iraq. The word sovereign means this:

Independent of, and unlimited by, any other; possessing, or entitled to, original authority or jurisdiction; as, a sovereign state; a sovereign discretion.

Now, once we know the definition of sovereign we know that when Obama, or anyone else, for that matter, calls Iraq “sovereign” then it means that Obama, or anyone else, for that matter, has no power over them, right? This is really simple folks, so stay with me here.

What is the import of that statement? I will tell you what: all gurus who claim that the US government has been holding up the RV are incorrect. That is about as nice as I can say this. They are simply wrong. Iraq is sovereign. Therefore, it makes its own decisions, and NO ONE, including the IMF, or the BIS, or the UN, or the US government has any CONTROL over those decisions.

Now, having said that, however, this does NOT mean that those entities cannot exert influence over Iraq and its decision making processes.

Yet the simple fact remains that the ultimate decision regarding when, how, and how much the RV will amount to is an Iraqi decision, and theirs alone. Are we clear on this now? That is what “sovereign” means, and both our president and the UN have stated that Iraq is sovereign.

Ok, so now we focus on Iraq, since that is where the RV will come from, right? So let’s look at some more of the “intel” over the last few months.

Perhaps you all recall that Shabibi said he was going to pass the “remove the three zeros” by the ministry department and then on to parliament. Remember that? And the intel came out from several gurus that this was done about 2 months ago and was approved, right? However, just this last week I read an article from a reputable source in Iraqi news that only this last week Shabibi finally presented his “remove the three zeros” proposal to Parliament. Fortunately the article also said that they approved the proposal.

But here is the point: how many of us were fooled into thinking that this was already done 8 weeks ago? Huh? And why? I will tell you why. Some gurus take a piece of pie and turn it into a full cake right before our eyes. It happens over and over again. That is just the facts.

You may have noticed that I stopped playing the game some few months ago. I actually wrote about my decision in one of my many writings in which I said that it was time to “let go, and let God” do His thing. As you can see, some 8 weeks later, God has yet to do His thing. However, our membership has continued to be swayed by erroneous and excitable intel nevertheless.
It is not my desire to stop the merry-go-round, even if I could. Clearly I cannot, and I have no intention of attempting to do so. What I am trying to do is bring a sense of sanity to the discussion. As a former seminarian I had learned this favorite phrase about interpreting Biblical passages: “If the plain sense makes sense, don’t look for any other sense.” I have referred to this before and many of you may recall it.

Tonight, I want to place a twist on that phrase that may well apply to our investment. Here it is: “If the intel makes no sense, don’t follow it to find any more sense in it.”

I say this for this simple reason: there is some intel out there that simply makes no sense. But it gets worse than that, because some gurus, in their desire to please their audience, pick up these “tidbits” of nonsense, put them together, and create even larger nonsensical intel.

A perfect example recently was the one where the US Treasury was going to open up offices around the country for trading in the dinar. Remember that one? I called that one out immediately, but it still took awhile for it to die, didn’t it? Are there any US Treasury offices open? Of course not. The “tidbit” which had nothing to do with the dinar but had only to do with the IRS trying to look nicer to the public, turned into “intel” and spread like wildfire, only to die for lack of fuel some weeks later.

I want to make a proposal. Let’s just stop with the tidbits and get down to basics. In doing so no one will get hurt, but a lot of folks may find a degree of sanity in their lives. I have absolutely no influence directly over any gurus, so I suspect that what I am saying may fall on deaf ears among them. After all, they are so busy gathering erroneous information that they probably don’t have time to read my little rant anyway.

On the other hand, I suspect that I have a fairly large audience and a somewhat sophisticated one at that. I’ve been told that many of you actually enjoy listening to what I have to say. I want to thank Kevin, incidentally, for asking me to step up to the plate tonight. You can blame him if you don’t enjoy this! JOKE!

So what, exactly, am I trying to say tonight? Clearly this message is somewhat different from my earlier more spiritual diatribes, but at the same time, as usual, I come to a point toward the end to give you all something to ponder.

So here it is: just as I’ve warned you about the pitfalls of having excessive wealth, and how to handle it, I also want to warn you of the pitfalls of excessive and obsessive attention to gurus. I am NOT saying that they are pumpers or are in any way trying to lead you somewhere with a hidden motivation. In fact I believe that they are almost all genuinely sincere. But I also know that they are all wrong. And it is in this area that I’d like you to place your focus for just a moment longer.

Has it occurred to you yet that the “intel” is really totally bogus? Has that hit home yet, or are you all still in this daze in which you cling to the net, or a call, awaiting the information that, deep in your heart, you know will be incorrect the next morning?
Doesn’t this concern you? If not, I suggest that it should concern you. It definitely concerns me, and I have some very close friends here who are just as frustrated as I am while at the same time they participate in this charade.

So what do we make of all of this? Should we throw the baby out with the bath water and just wash our hands with this whole investment? Of course not!

There is, in my view, a better course, and I would like to impress upon any guru who is listening to me to consider this very seriously. Let’s just start with sources, OK? It seems to me that if a “source” is incorrect 2 or 3 times in a row that any smart guru would figure out that the “source” is not worth listening to. I mean, this is really just simple logic. Yet for about 3 years now we get the same “sources” saying the same things over and over again, only to be wrong, over and over again. So what is the answer? It’s really simple: stop listening to those sources.

Of course we all know what would happen if the gurus did this: they’d be “out of business”, wouldn’t they? But that is just the point: this isn’t a business that they are making anything from anyway, so who cares? I have a suggestion: use a bit of discretion, for God’s sake, before you pontificate about what is going to happen tomorrow night! THINK!

Unfortunately, my appeal will almost certainly fall on deaf ears. There is now a cottage industry that has been built on “entertaining the troops”, and some gurus relish this role and have no desire to see it end. The result, unfortunately, is that “intel” begins to have a life of its own. It gets “created”, if you will, and then moves on. The perfect example of this is the first one I mentioned, where someone said that all the dinars had to be sold to us before the RV could happen. Give me a break! I hate to say this, folks, but that sort of thinking is the product of an overactive mind looking for an audience.

Now that I’ve upset all of the gurus in our little investment club, I will end with another thought. My dear friend Kaperoni has done the right thing from the beginning. He reads, digests, and reports. He claims no special intel sources other than a man who apparently translates Arabic into English for him. Nothing that Kaperoni reports is without verification. In fact, he is so meticulous that he places the words in quotes when he reads them in chat and gives links so that folks can VERIFY what he has done. In short, he has set the standard. I applaud my dear friend Kaperoni for doing an excellent job!

For the rest of the gurus, who of necessity cannot reveal their sources, claiming any number of reasons, I suggest that you use more caution before passing on BS. I, for one, am tired of it. Three years is enough. I get it. You don’t know any more than I do.

Shabibi will hopefully be able to get away from Jackson Hole long enough to spend a day with me in Newport Beach. If he has anything important to say, I’ll let you know. On the other hand, if he just offers me “intel” I’ll probably keep quiet.

I hope I have not offended more than a few of you. For the rest, I hope you enjoyed my rant. Of course I could be wrong on this, but I doubt it very seriously.

This completes my original prepared remarks. I would not like to make a comment about what we have seen in the last 24 hours in terms of intel. First, I would like to commend OKIE for stepping up to the plate, both with his original statement, then with his apology statement, and most recently with his clarification of the nature of his source in Iraq. This is exactly the sort of intel that we need: straight forward, open, and with enough information to give us all an idea as to its veracity, or lack thereof.

Furthermore, I would like to commend Tony for his support of OKIE in this matter. Tony added some more information that leads me to believe that OKIE is really onto something.

And finally, I have already read from Bondlady that the RV has not in fact occurred. This is the sort of thing that gets us all frustrated, but at least she too gave us enough information regarding who her source is for us to realize that this is a real firefighter in Iraq.

In short, the situation is very fluid right now. I applaud those gurus who continue to step up to the plate, in spite of the potential pitfalls. However, having said that, my previous comments remain, in my opinion, as a valid statement about the plethora of BS that we’ve had to endure for the last few years.

Thank you all for listening.

Steve

by **Ssmith** Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:37 am

Only seven short years ago..... How many people are still left waiting on their RV?

8/24/2011 - FIVE YEARS AGO In DINARLAND

8/24/2011 - FIVE YEARS AGO In DINARLAND

Re: 8/24/2011 - FIVE YEARS AGO In DINARLAND