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It is possible that both of these reports are accurate and that there was a need to assemble the requisite personnel from multiple locations in order to act on actionable intelligence about the ISIS leader. However, based on Trump's statements about how long it took them to fly to Baghdadi's compound, it is all but impossible that they traveled directly from Erbil or Al Asad.The helicopters could have flown to Barisha from an intermediate staging point, however. One very possible location would have been the Kobane Landing Zone, which is situated some 100 miles northeast of where Baghdadi's hiding out. The U.S. military has been withdrawing from this base, which the United States first occupied some time in 2015, as a result of the Turkish intervention.
Official pictures show that U.S. personnel were still there helping with the pullout as of Oct. 23, 2019. Even if the U.S. military had otherwise vacated this base, it would have still provided a large, established airstrip that would have been ideal for establishing a Forward Arming and Refueling Point, or FARP, which U.S. special operations forces routinely use during longer-range air assaults.
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US military personnel load cargo onto a US Air Force C-17 Globemaster III transport plane at the Kobane Landing Zone on Oct. 23, 2019. A US Army AH-64 Apache attack helicopter is visible in the background.
However, Trump's comments about a "port" and "ships" might suggest that the raiding force started or completed its mission somewhere else, despite his additional statement that the special operators took the same route to and from the target location. There has been speculation that they may have started and ended the operation against Baghdadi from the U.K. Royal Air Force Base at Akrotiri on the island of Cyprus. A U.S. Navy or contractor-operated ship in the Eastern Mediterranean acting as a sea base is another possibility.
Stephen Corstorphine@S_Corsto
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[ltr]I was thinking same. Trump let the word “port” and also 110min travel time slip
UH-60 can travel 413km in 110 mins (full speed)
370km between Akrotiri and Barisha, Idlib.
Also ties in with Turkish and Russian co-op/permissions (?) over Cyprus and nr. Latakia ¯\(°_o)/¯[/ltr]
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More detail about the exact composition of the raiding force could eventually help answer questions about the most likely ingress and egress routes. On Oct. 27, 2019, Secretary of Defense Mark Esper told ABC's Martha Raddatz that approximately a 100 U.S. special operators – reportedly primarily from the U.S. Army's Delta Force and 75th Ranger Regiment – took part in the operation and that Chinook helicopters brought them to and from the target site. The Chinooks were likely MH-47s from the Army's elite 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment, though even JSOC's elite task forces have used standard Army CH-47s, among other conventional enablers, when necessary, in the past. In this case, it is probably safe to say that the 160th SOAR's highly modified MH-47s were exclusively involved considering the hostile airspace the mission took place in, its low-level night penetration demands, and the unique communications and command and control gear needed to coordinate such a complex and high-stakes operation.
Bystanders also found shell casings associated with the M230 30mm automatic cannon near Baghdadi's compound in the aftermath of the attack. Automatic cannon fire allegedly destroyed a small minibus, possibly to prevent Baghdadi and others from escaping the area. There were also reports that gunships otherwise raked the compound and nearby areas with cannon fire during the operation. This was likely in response to the reports of personnel on the ground shooting at the helicopters.
Mzahem Alsaloum@Mzahem_Alsaloum
[ltr]Fresh Footage via local activities showing the location of chase that took place after the rides, between the US Forces and Baghdadi's Cell.
لقطات حديثة تظهر موقع المطاردة التي حصلت.
PS: attention violent content.#Syria #ISIS #Daesh@Liveuamap @QalaatAlMudiq @michaeldweiss[/ltr]
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MrRevinsky@Kyruer
· Oct 27, 2019
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[ltr]#Syria #Idlib#US officials confirm #Isis leader al-Baghdadi has been killed last night in Berisha (~70 between Rangers and Delta Forces involved).https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/1188413704804675585?s=19 …[/ltr]
Jennifer Griffin
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ISIS leader Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi dead, killed in US raid in Idlib, according to senior US military source. Baghdadi’s identity has been confirmed. “We long suspected Baghdadi was hiding in Idlib,” US source said.
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The 160th uses this weapon on their MH-60L/M Black Hawk special operations helicopters in the Direct Action Penetrator (DAP) configuration. Regular Army AH-64 Apache gunships, which have also been supporting special operations activities in Syria from forward locations, such as the KLZ, as seen in the picture of that base earlier in this story, also use this weapon. Both the MH-47s and the MH-60s have inflight refueling capabilities, which could have further helped extend their range during the trip to Baghdadi's compound and then to where ever they went following the mission, as well.
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One of the 160th SOAR's MH-60Ms in the latest Direct Action Penetrator (DAP) configuration using Multi-Station Lightweight Armament Support Structure (MLASS) stub wings. An M230 30mm cannon pod is visible on the inboard pylon on the left side of the helicopter.
The truth is, we really don't know the composition of the eight helicopter force at this time beyond the inclusion of MH-47s Chinooks. Many will wonder if some form of stealthy Black Hawk was used, similar to those used in the Bin Laden raid. It is possible that the initial raiding force used such a platform, a newer version of which has been rumored to be operating around Syria for years, but we just don't know at this time. The possibility that heavy weaponry was fired at the compound from the air during the operation would make this possibility less likely.
Also, alerting the local players as to the operation's timing may have reduced enough risk to allow the more conventional helicopters to be used. Of course, it's not like the 160th SOAR's MH-60s and MH-47s aren't designed to operate in contested airspace as it is.
So many other questions remain, such as what airpower was assigned to give this raiding force cover from above if it would have been needed. It is very rare that manned U.S. or coalition aircraft fly into Western Syria. For years, it has been all but off-limits airspace and standoff munitions were used to hit larger targets. American drones have and still do operate in the area, but considering how high-value this target was, placing a non-stealthy drone overhead for weeks may have been too risky. During the lead-up to Operation Neptune Spear that took down Bin Laden, stealthy RQ-170 Sentinels worked as the eyes in the sky over Bin Laden's compound, even watching him pace daily in his courtyard prior to the operation commencing.
It is very possible Sentinels were used to monitor the compound in the weeks leading up to the operation and to stream live video of the operation, as well. In fact, just like in 2011, this is likely what Trump and his advisors were watching in the Situation Room. It's also worth noting that there are also stealthy MQ-11 Avengers in the region that could be under the CIA's direction. Either asset would have been more ideal than an MQ-9 Reaper drone hanging out over the compound for days on end and during the raid. The MQ-11 could also provide close air support.
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With all this in mind, another question emerges: were F-35s used for overhead support or were far more traceable assets held off at a greater distance, ready to push into the area if need be? The latter option would have required a far more elaborate package, including Wild Weasel aircraft ready to suppress or destroy any enemy air defense systems that may target the fighter aircraft above. Regardless, a huge number of aerial assets would have been involved in this operation—from airborne command and control aircraft, to tankers, to communications relay aircraft, to electronic intelligence monitoring platforms, to combat search and rescue forces. Every contingency would have been planned for and capabilities arrayed to respond as needed.
The lightning-fast disclosure of this raid is also puzzling. There was no stealth Black Hawk tail left behind to answer for as was the case in the Bin Laden operation. Considering the level of exploitable intelligence they pulled out of that compound, even a few days would have given the intel folks a leg up on targeting al-Baghdadi's accomplices and operatives – as has reportedly already happened to Abu al-Hassan al-Muhajir.
The compound was leveled after the operation, as well, which may have drawn some local attention, but in that region, kinetic actions happen daily against all types of targets. Electronic communications between top ISIS operatives were limited if not nonexistent, news of the raid would have spread slower than otherwise and it would have probably been laced with confusion.
Josie Ensor
@Josiensor
· Oct 27, 2019
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[ltr]This is interesting point from @rcallimachi. It was feared Baghdadi would move after being spooked as his trusted courier and his wife went quiet, but he didn't. Why? Had he become complacent? Or did he not like his chances moving around HTS-held Idlib 6/ https://twitter.com/rcallimachi/status/1188516938361856001 …[/ltr]
Rukmini Callimachi
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4. Had he been tipped off that something was afoot? Did he find it odd that his trusted courier and one of his wives had gone silent? It’s unclear. But we know that geopolitically everything changed this month, when a presidential phone call led to Turkey’s invasion of Syria
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Josie Ensor
@Josiensor
[ltr]Astonishing aerial photo of the aftermath of the US raid on Baghdadi's compound in Barisha, Idlib, from @AFP[/ltr]
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Regardless, one of history's most depraved maniacs has been scraped from the earth once and for all. More details are sure to emerge about the operation in the hours and days to come. We will keep you up to date as they do.
UPDATE: 6:30pm EST—
National Security Advisor Robert O’Brien told NBC's "Meet the Press" on Oct. 27, 2019, that the official nickname for the operation was a tribute to Kayla Mueller, an American air worker that ISIS took hostage and murdered in 2015. He did not say what the nickname was, however. For comparison, the raid that led to the death of Al Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden was nicknamed Operation Neptune Spear.
UPDATE: 10/28/2019—
The New York Times and Bloomberg have both now reported that President Donald Trump's decision to [url=http://the syrian and iraqi kurds%2c one official said%2c provided more intelligence for the raid than any single country./]effectively acquiesce[/url] to Turkey's intervention into northern Syria targeting the predominantly Kurdish SDF and a subsequent order for a near-total withdrawal of American forces from the country had threatened to upend the search for Baghdadi and plans to raid his compound in Barisha. U.S. policy has reversed to some degree with a decision that came last week that has seen American troops now reinforce a position near the city of Deir Ez Zor.
"The Syrian and Iraqi Kurds, one official said, provided more intelligence for the raid than any single country," The Times reported. The SDF continued to provide information on Baghdadi and his whereabouts even after the pullout began, which the group had publicly described as a betrayal by the United States.
There is also an unconfirmed report that Baghdadi's remains have been buried at sea, as was the case with Osama Bin Laden's body, a tactic used to prevent them, or even just a known final resting place, from becoming a shrine of sorts for future terrorists. This also brings up questions again about the involvement of ships offshore during the operation.
Jennifer Griffin
@JenGriffinFNC
[ltr]Source tells me Abu Bakr al Baghdadi remains have already been buried at sea.[/ltr]
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UPDATE: 1:20 PM EST—
General Mazlum Abdi, who also goes by Mazlum Kobane, the head of the SDF, has claimed that the organization had a source who had infiltrated Baghdadi's compound, providing unprecedented information about the site and its layout ahead of the operation, as well as other vital details. That individual was reportedly on the ground during the operation. There are also reports that SDF personnel were otherwise present during the raid, but it unclear if this refers to this particular informant.
Richard Engel
@RichardEngel
[ltr]Gen. Mazlum Kobane tells @NBCNews that Kurdish intelligence had a deep source in Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's inner circle who provided information essential to the US raid that killed the ISIS leader. Mazlum said the informant was at Baghdadi's compound as it was assaulted.[/ltr]
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Jennifer Griffin
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· Oct 28, 2019
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[ltr].@BenjaminHallFNC in frank interview with Kurdish general Mazloum: They acted, because Baghdadi's right hand man was planning on moving him to a new location.
Had Baghdadi moved, the US would have struck quickly, acc to Mazloum.[/ltr]
Jennifer Griffin
@JenGriffinFNC
[ltr]Kurdish Gen Mazloum tells .@BenjaminHallFNC: The SDF provided the location, the details about the Baghdadi compound, the tunnels, and how many people were with him. The SDF knew this because of a source inside ISIS.
An SDF member was on the raid helping US.[/ltr]
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At a press briefing on Oct. 28, 2019, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff U.S. Army General Mark Milley, standing beside Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, said that a wide variety of munitions, including AGM-158 Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile (JASSM) cruise missiles, unspecified precision-guided bombs, and AGM-114 Hellfire guided missiles, had been responsible for leveling Baghdadi's compound.
He did not say what aircraft were involved, but this makes confirms that, as expected, some number of fixed-wing aircraft were providing top cover for the operation, in addition to the still unknown helicopter gunships. Milley said that additional information may be coming soon in subsequent briefings. The General also said that the military working dog injured in the raid was set to make a full recovery.
Jack Detsch@JackDetsch_ALM
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[ltr]Video of Baghdadi's final moments have not been declassified, Milley says. "Some operational and tactical level briefings" by CENTCOM in the coming days.[/ltr]
Jack Detsch@JackDetsch_ALM
[ltr]US used a variety of munitions, including JASSMs, GBUs, and Hellfires to destroy Baghdadi's compound after the raid, Milley says. "We're not releasing the name of the dog right now. The dog is still in theater." Slightly wounded, but fully recovering.[/ltr]
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Turkish officials also told Reuters that they been aware of the operation ahead of time and coordinated with "relevant parties" on the ground to assist with the mission. Turkey has a significant influence in Idlib via a number of rebel groups opposed to the Syrian regime and Ankara has been instrumental in ensuring that Assad has been unable to retake the entire province. Those same Turkish officials added that Baghdadi had only arrived at the compound some 48 hours before the raid. An unnamed U.S. official disputed claims of cooperation with Turkey during the operation when speaking to Fox News.
Lucas Tomlinson
@LucasFoxNews
[ltr]Americans called Russians on “de-confliction” line to warn of pending U.S. military assault on Baghdadi compound in NW Syria. No de-confliction with Turkey who “did not help in any way,” U.S. defense official says[/ltr]
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The U.S.-supported, predominantly Kurdish-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) said that they also provided important intelligence related to Baghdadi ahead of the operation. A spokesman for the Kurdish People's Protection Units, or YPG, which has provided the bulk of the manpower for the SDF, said in March that the group believed that the ISIS leader had made his way into Idlib.
Mazloum Abdî مظلوم عبدي
@MazloumAbdi
[ltr]For five months there has been joint intel cooperation on the ground and accurate monitoring, until we achieved a joint operation to kill Abu Bakir al-Bagdadi.
Thanks to everybody who participate in this great mission.@realDonaldTrump#SDF#USArmy #Rojava #Baghdadi[/ltr]
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Wladimir@vvanwilgenburg
· Oct 27, 2019
[ltr]SDF advisor: "A historic operation successfully carried out as a result of intelligence cooperation between our forces and the USA" https://twitter.com/PolatCanRojava/status/1188362155864797184 …[/ltr]
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Çalakiyek dîrokî ya serkeftî wek encama hevkariya îstixbaratî di navbera hêzên me û Amerîka de. https://twitter.com/MazloumAbdi/status/1188361357114171392 …
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Wladimir@vvanwilgenburg
[ltr]Should be noted that YPG spokesperson @NuriMahmud1 already told @K24English in March 2019 that the SDF information that Baghdadi escaped (Deir ezZor) to Idlib. This also confirms the important role SDF played in locating Baghdadi https://www.kurdistan24.net/ar/news/7c7c9f12-76dd-466c-8efc-5a33d01c41fa …[/ltr]
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In July 2019, a United Nations report had also said that there was evidence that ISIS fighters, including senior leaders, had fled into the relative safety of the province. This was despite the presence of a litany of groups violently opposed to the terrorist organization residing in Idlib, including Turkish-backed rebels and Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), the latter of which includes a significant number of former Al Qaeda-aligned fighters.
Jeff Seldin
@jseldin
[ltr]Reports #ISIS leader Abu Bakr al #Baghdadi may have been killed in #Idlib #Syria shouldn't come as a complete surprise-at least the location
In July, a @UN report warned senior ISIS leaders "are among those who have made their way to the #Idlib area..."https://twitter.com/jseldin/status/1155907686615199746?s=20 …[/ltr]
Jeff Seldin
@jseldin
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.@UN report on #ISIS says senior leaders "are among those who have made their way to the #Idlib area [of #Syria], where they coexist uneasily with the local Al-#Qaida-aligned groups..."
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[ltr]This is shocking, if true. Idlib is not a hospitable place for ISIS members, let alone its leader. Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, which controls the area, routinely arrests and executes ISIS members. https://twitter.com/ShaolinTom/status/1188286412715646976 …[/ltr]
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TNT Clatter 7/10/18
TNT:Ivantulafitov: https://twitter.com/brett_mcgurk?lang=en Spent five days in #Iraq and #Syria focused on completing campaign to defeat #ISIS and stability in liberated areas. On Thursday, @SecPompeo will convene 52 members of our @coaliton in #Brussels to discuss details. Follow through critical.
Ivantulafitov: this is good too Secretary of State Pompeo https://twitter.com/SecPompeo?lang=en
Ivantulafitov: he is all over the middle east
Smitty76: He Visited Afghanistan, Vietnam, Interesting….. Wonder if he will make a stop in Iraq as well.
Luvwulfs: Come on folks, look at Trumps schedule. NATO for the next 2 days, UK and then Putin in Helsinki. It is a Presidential Envoy going to Iraq
Lakelady: Just WOW on Frank's call.
Speedy: Mr. ghost said He was involved in combat all over Iraq in both Iraq comflicts !!! Also involved in combat in Afghanistan !!! Mr Ghost had extensive harrowing combat experience…He also stated that the circumstances are good to see our gift !!!
Smitty76: Ghost's statement that President Trump will be in Iraq on Friday, if true, is very exciting
Smitty76: I read that a US Rep named McGurk (sp) was in Iraq now, maybe setting up for Potus, Time will tell
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Guru Elmerf123456 7/10/17
Elmer doesn't have a great track record for accuracy. Here's his post from 7/11/2016:Elmerf123456: ERBIL, Kurdistan Region—Syria Democratic Forces (SDF) have completely encircled the city of Manbej. “#SDF forces in #Syria have cut the road between #Manbij and #Bab. #ISIL terrorists now completely surrounded with no way out. #ISIS #Daesh,” tweeted Brett McGurk, Special US Presidential Envoy for the Global Coalition to Counter ISIL (ISIS).
Elmerf123456: We are 3-5 days behind Iraqi news. Things in Iraq are really shaping up.
Yada: elmerf,,,Im of the mind that our banks are ready to go for good reason and the handlers of the RV are sitting tight to see that once we are released the public will not be long afterwards,,,,,
RVAlready: apparently the CBI described the need for reform as "critical and urgent". I liked the sound of that.
Elmerf123456: No worries Folks. All part of the Domino Effect. Our purpose isn't in vain.
Elmerf123456: I want to get excited but I'm not getting excited yet, because we got two parallels going on here. One is great things going on in Iraq and that's for the country of Iraq, but we still look for the GCR bigger picture and Iraq is only a lightbulb on the power grid but it's great news anyway! A Mosul Victory is a Big Win!
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Elmerf123456: No place in Iraq will be ISIS and Iraqi forces displayed is flag heroine cleared Fallujah and Mosul and all Iraqis will celebrate the victory. That ought to make you happy for the Iraqi citizens.
Elmerf123456: I can confirm that. It's almost over. I think Mosul is close to a conclusion.
Watch https://twitter.com/alsemawee/status/741289326751944704?s=03
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Elmerf123456 confirms that this is almost over
Ponee wrote:Elmerf123456: ERBIL, Kurdistan Region—Syria Democratic Forces (SDF) have completely encircled the city of Manbej. “#SDF forces in #Syria have cut the road between #Manbij and #Bab. #ISIL terrorists now completely surrounded with no way out. #ISIS #Daesh,” tweeted Brett McGurk, Special US Presidential Envoy for the Global Coalition to Counter ISIL (ISIS).
Elmerf123456: We are 3-5 days behind Iraqi news. Things in Iraq are really shaping up.
Elmer should check the news feed at DinarDaily before making statements like that. News sometimes gets posted minutes here after it comes out. LOL
https://www.dinardaily.net/f29-iraq-and-dinar-article-based-information-and-discussions
Yada: elmerf,,,Im of the mind that our banks are ready to go for good reason and the handlers of the RV are sitting tight to see that once we are released the public will not be long afterwards,,,,,
RVAlready: apparently the CBI described the need for reform as "critical and urgent". I liked the sound of that.
Elmerf123456: No worries Folks. All part of the Domino Effect. Our purpose isn't in vain.
Elmerf123456: I want to get excited but I'm not getting excited yet, because we got two parallels going on here. One is great things going on in Iraq and that's for the country of Iraq, but we still look for the GCR bigger picture and Iraq is only a lightbulb on the power grid but it's great news anyway! A Mosul Victory is a Big Win!
There kinda having a problem keeping the lights on right now. LOL
https://www.dinardaily.net/t54988-electricity-technician-opposed-stop-nasiriyah-station-work
Elmerf123456: No place in Iraq will be ISIS and Iraqi forces displayed is flag heroine cleared Fallujah and Mosul and all Iraqis will celebrate the victory. That ought to make you happy for the Iraqi citizens.
Elmerf123456: I can confirm that. It's almost over. I think Mosul is close to a conclusion. Watch https://twitter.com/alsemawee/status/741289326751944704?s=03
They're not even close to Mosul.
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Elmerf123456 confirms that this is almost over
Elmerf123456: ERBIL, Kurdistan Region—Syria Democratic Forces (SDF) have completely encircled the city of Manbej. “#SDF forces in #Syria have cut the road between #Manbij and #Bab. #ISIL terrorists now completely surrounded with no way out. #ISIS #Daesh,” tweeted Brett McGurk, Special US Presidential Envoy for the Global Coalition to Counter ISIL (ISIS).Elmerf123456: We are 3-5 days behind Iraqi news. Things in Iraq are really shaping up.
Yada: elmerf,,,Im of the mind that our banks are ready to go for good reason and the handlers of the RV are sitting tight to see that once we are released the public will not be long afterwards,,,,,
RVAlready: apparently the CBI described the need for reform as "critical and urgent". I liked the sound of that.
Elmerf123456: No worries Folks. All part of the Domino Effect. Our purpose isn't in vain.
Elmerf123456: I want to get excited but I'm not getting excited yet, because we got two parallels going on here. One is great things going on in Iraq and that's for the country of Iraq, but we still look for the GCR bigger picture and Iraq is only a lightbulb on the power grid but it's great news anyway! A Mosul Victory is a Big Win!
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Elmerf123456: No place in Iraq will be ISIS and Iraqi forces displayed is flag heroine cleared Fallujah and Mosul and all Iraqis will celebrate the victory. That ought to make you happy for the Iraqi citizens.
Elmerf123456: I can confirm that. It's almost over. I think Mosul is close to a conclusion. Watch https://twitter.com/alsemawee/status/741289326751944704?s=03
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Already Blessed in chat on recent topics June 9
ALREADY BLESSED wrote TNT POSITION AT THIS TIME....WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY PROOF THAT THE ZIM IS EXPIRING. DE-MONETIZING IS SOMETHING ELSE AND EXCHANGING IN COUNTRY DOES NOT AFFECT USALREADY BLESSED wrote WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THERE IS A DEADLINE FOR THE ONES WE HAVE
ALREADY BLESSED wrote I STILL HAVE NOT SEEN PROOF AND OKROCKS AND I LOOKED FOR IT
Peaches1 wrote the extension Tony heard about was six months.
ALREADY BLESSED wrote TONY AND DAZ AND MANY OTHERS SUGGEST YOU HAVE A PLAN B THAT WILL WORK BEST FOR YOU....YOU HAVE OPTIONS...AND TIME...SO FAR....WE HOPE ALL IS WELL WITH STERLING AND THAT THE RESERVE PROGRAM IS STILL IN PLAY BUT THERE ARE NO FACTS THAT WE KNOW OF AT THIS TIME
ALREADY BLESSED wrote ALSO.....TY AND STERLING HAVE NOT BEEN CHARGED WITH ANYTHING....THEY ARE INVESTIGATING....THAT IS ALL....SPECULATION, RUMOR AND OPINION ABOUT BUT NO FACTS.
ALREADY BLESSED wrote DAZ HAS BEEN EDUCATING YOU FOR DAYS ABOUT IT....YOU HAVE ALL THE INFO YOU NEED TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS THAT ARE RIGHT FOR YOU. IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE!
ALREADY BLESSED wrote REGARDING THE YOUTUBE VIDEO THAT HAS BEEN CIRCULATING AND THE TOPIC OF DISCUSSION...TONY WATCHED IT AND DID NOT SEE ANYTHING THERE TO CAUSE ANY CONCERN WHATSOEVER. ABADI AND POTUS GET ALONG REALLY WELL. THEY HAVE A GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP AND PRES. OBAMA HAS A GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT AND ADMIRATION FOR DR. ABADI AND ALL THAT HE HAS ACCOMPLISHED! DR.ABADI GOT WHAT HE WANTED FROM THE G7....NO ISSUES THERE
okrocks wrote FYI I saw the youtube version that Iraq put out and it does look different then the one our media put out
ALREADY BLESSED wrote ANY ATTORNEY WORTH THEIR SALT WOULD HAVE ADVISED THEM (Sterling) NOT TO SAY ANYTHING AT ALL WHILE AN ACTIVE INVESTIGATION IS GOING ON.
ALREADY BLESSED wrote I CAME IN BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN SO MUCH MIS-INFO ABOUT ALL THESE SUBJECTS AND I HOPED THAT MAYBE I COULD HELP
Adept1 wrote AB: Iko mentioned an anomaly on Forex last night and again early in the morning; he felt this implies they tried to release the RV again, but didn't state it as fact.
ALREADY BLESSED wrote ADEPT - I READ THAT AND JUST HAVEN'T HEARD ANY DETAILS THAT MIGHT SUPPORT THAT BUT WE DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING AND WHILE TONY IS NEVER WRONG...HE IS QUICK TO POINT OUT THAT I AM OFTEN LOVINGLY, OF COURSE
ALREADY BLESSED wrote AS OF OUR INFO RIGHT NOW....THERE IS NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THE RESERVE PROGRAM IS OVER....HANG IN THERE AND HAVE A PLAN B
RedBaron wrote AB, I appreciate what you're trying to do for those in distress over Sterling. How would a "plan B" work for those folks who have had multiple reserve orders in the past week with Sterling not responding to Service Ticket requests, phone or taking payments? Thanks for your thoughts. RB
ALREADY BLESSED wrote RED BARON - THE OBVIOUS....IF STERLING RESERVES ARE OFF THE TABLE AND THAT IS STILL A BIG IF.....THEN THEY HAVE ALTERNATIVES IN PLACE
ALREADY BLESSED wrote I HAVE RESERVES WITH STERLING, MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS DO AS WELL...I AM NOT UNAFFECTED BY THIS BUT I DON'T WORRY ABOUT SOMETHING I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER...I TAKE ACTION AND HAVE ADVISED FAMILY AND FRIENDS TO DO THE SAME.
ME: if you saw that article carried over to recaps from bond lady's site that Barazani died from a stroke... welll he is just fine
Brett McGurk @brett_mcgurk - Excellent meetings today in #Erbil w/President Barzani to review campaign against #ISIL in both #Iraq and #Syria.
Brett McGurk @brett_mcgurk - 87 airstrikes against #ISIL terrorists in #Iraq & #Syria over last 72 hours including #Raqqa, #Kobani, #Bayji, #Mosul, & across #Anbar.
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All I can say on the Sterling situation is that yesterday (8th) I tried to roll over some reserves I have been paying on for 20 months that expired over the weekend (allowing me to roll over on Monday). When I tried to execute the roll over I got a message saying "we are not able to accept orders or payments at this time please check again later" (tried 3 times during the day), and got the same when I tried to purchase outright. When I called the phone number after there was no chat function, all I got was voice mail navigation and no matter what option you picked it disconnected the call or started the message again. No one was picking up.
Today I got an automated e-mail stating "Your Guaranteed 30 Layaway order has Expired because we did not receive your Final Payment by the expiration date Payment." "We will automatically ship you ________ IQD in 4 business days" (an amount equal to my original deposit 20 months ago). I tried all the message extensions and all of them looped back to the original message.
I watch "American Greed" and when the FBI comes in and raids a place, it means they have been watching and gathering information and evidence for a long time. Someone is caught and the Feds are preparing their case for trial. I am a super positive and optimistic person, but the writing on the wall doesn't look good. There certainly won't be a quick resolution to this event. Those of us involved with Sterling need to prepare mentally that it could all be gone. My guess is if we see anything from Sterling - it won't be for 2-3 years and it will be in the form of a settlement, if anything at all.
Having said that I'm confident they sold legitimate currency and if you have it in hand I'm sure you're fine. It just isn't likely that there will be anything coming from reserves with Sterling. Better to count it as 0 and then be surprised when something comes out in a couple of years - who knows - maybe the Dinar will have gone up so much in value by then that any reserve settlement will be a chunk of money?!
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Thank you GAPeach, it's a point I also wanted to emphasize. Emails about expiration we all know are generated automatically. People may not receive their equivalent in currency until they are cleared to do so....and may even have an option to continue their rollover. Right now, it's obvious that Sterling has higher priorities to take care of. It's only in a worse case scenario should plan B be activated, and at this juncture we have no clue regarding outcomes. So please, those who wish to strike matches, stay away from my hair. Thanks ever so much.
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I agree...I see no reason to worry about the zim expiring, or the dinar or any other currence we hold. America has tons of dinar, zim, dong, rial, rupiah....if ours expires so will theirs. So will China's. So will all countries that own them. It defeats the purpose of rv'ing if the currencies become no good. China is going to jump on the zim we hold as soon as it is legal to do so. They almost own Zimbabwe now. No worries. The only people who should ever worry is the politicians who have already exchanged. They've got no where to hide. It is my personal bet, probably a better bet than American Pharoah was that there is some R.I.C.O. employees who have currencies and are waiting in the wings for this currency reset. Las Vegas, Las Vegas, Las Vegas.
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sdinlwas1995 wrote:
Rolling over a reserve for 20 months, what did that cost? Just curious.
Not sure what his is.. but... mine for 2 years was about $25 per million per month to maintain option..... thus $600 over the last two years PER million....
NEVER thought it would go 6 months past June 28th, 2013.. when Iraqi was trying to be recognized independent in the United Nations. Boy was I wrong... but it sure looked good December 2013
for some. I appraised these costs every month... and treated it like an option bet, paying pennies on the dollar on option to renew the next month. A gamble every month, but sure did not see Sterling be shutting down in this mess. But....
I sure expected that all the dealers would have to be quickly shut down for selling anything when the RV happened,.... a good sign if all dealers were shut down
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