May 2013 Dinar Vets Thread "Exposing" Sam I Am

[Sam I Am]

Hey guys, I just uploaded a video where I finally get to talk about the time I was outed at DV.  A lot has happened since then and I wanted to set the record straight. 

[GypZ]

Hi Sam,I have a few question's for you.#1.....Have you ever owned IRAQ DINAR?.#2 Do you currently own IRAQ Dinar?...#3..Does any member of your family own Iraq Dinar,or friends.? :winky winky: :winky winky:

[roxy22222222]

:tup:

[GypZ]

Well yeh' He needs to be honest and answer the questions .That way we can better understand where he is coming from!

[Sam I Am]

I owned over 8 million dinar at one time.  I sold 8 million and hung on to about 100,000 in lower denoms.  I figure in time they will become collector's items so I still have them.  None of my friends or relatives own dinar, although some of my friends like Marcus used to have dinar.  Any challenge to my honesty or integrity is unfounded.  For five years I've been saying that nobody will get rich from owning dinar and so far I'm batting a thousand.  Dinar dealers are being indicted and convicted, TNT Tony is in prison and TerryK is headed to prison.  More will follow.  When I start getting things wrong consistently like the gurus then maybe it will make sense to question my motivation.

[GypZ]

Thank you!      Sam one more thing.May i ask you this?.How would you feel if The Iraq Dinar did get a rather large increase in it's value.Considering the fact you no longer own any of this currency .Will you have any regrets.?Will you be happy for those of us who still own this currency ,or are you going to not answer my question.?I know you will state AND REITERATE you have absolutely no belief the Iraq dinar will ever be of a decent value or you would have not sold yours.Can you answer this!YES THIS IS A ASSUMPTION BUT SO IS SCIENCE! BASED ON Some people dismiss a given scientific idea with "That's just a theory". They're right - all science can provide is theories. ....KINDA LIKE THE IRAQ DINAR!.... :winky winky: I still have mine and no matter what i see or hear i will stay the course! :winky winky:

[Jayzze]

sam stated that more and more dinar dealers are getting arrested this is true. but in dinar  the real reason is not that the dinar is a scam because it is not.  it does have a toilet paper value. the dealers are doing illegal things around the dinar which for the most part the sheeps being gready and uneducated about the  dinar will take the word of a stranger and invest there hard earned money. sorry to say they are stupid and gready because if they really cared they would have done research before doing it. btw I did and 14 yrs ago I was told it was a very risky investment with liminited chance of  greatly rising but I still took the gamble with no regrets

[GypZ]

13 years ago for me too.......Never had a regret myself!

[Jayzze]

as terbo would say in time things make a full circle. problem is many do not see it or understand it

[Ethel Biscuit]

!YES THIS IS A ASSUMPTION BUT SO IS SCIENCE! BASED ON [size=20]Some people dismiss a given scientific idea with "That's just a theory". They're right - all science can provide is theories. ...

Sorry GypZ, leaving aside the dinar, you have a bad misunderstanding of science. When scientists use the term "theory" it is by no means the same as the popular usage meaning "hunch", "opinion", "hypothesis".

There's a good explanation here:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/just-a-theory-7-misused-science-words/

[Sam I Am]

GypZ, you gave me a hypothetical that in my mind makes no more sense than asking "what will you do if the sun rises in the west tomorrow?"  The reason I know that there won't be a substantial revaluation of the IQD is that I have educated myself about how currency valuation works.  Iraq is backing their currency with their foreign currency reserves.  They've got $57 billion in their reserves and 65 trillion dinar in their money supply.  The rest is just math.  Sure, if it were to go from a tenth of a penny to $1 I'd be upset with myself and feel like a dope, but it won't happen so I won't have to deal with that.  When I started blogging against this scam none of the dinar dealers had been indicted, and the dinar forums and chatrooms were in overdrive.  People got mad at me and called me names and made accusations just like you see in the video, but here we are five years later and there have been indictments against the BH Group, Sterling, and Dinar Corp.  Tony Renfrow is in prison.  The largest dinar dealer (Dinar Trade) is gone and its owner Ali Agha has moved on.  The dinar forums are dying.  ISIS controls 1/3 of Iraq and the IQD's value has actually declined.  Everything that has happened has validated and vindicated what I've been saying.  The dinar investment is a scam perpetrated on inexperienced currency speculators by lying scammers.  If you choose to hang on to your dinar you will have one of two outcomes.  Either your money will sit there and do nothing as Iraq lingers in instability, corruption, and chaos or your dinar will be demonetized when it's replaced by a new currency.  It will never be worth as much as even 2/10 of a penny.

[GypZ]

ok ..Do you prepare for Earthquakes,Tornado's ,Snow blizzards.... BY STORING WATER, GAS FOOD FOR YOUR SELF ...[Bank failures????]  .Do you believe in vaccines ? What is A VACINES FOR YOUR CHILDREN... ?MOST OF  THESE ARE BASED ON A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION THEY MIGHT CATCH A FLUE OR SUFFER FROM A CATASTROPHE ... ECT..!OK NOW THIS IS NO DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I ASKED YOU!   bottom line i find it impossible that you have never thought what if it really happens..!

[GypZ]

Ethel Biscuit..ARE YOU GOING TO ARGUE WITH THIS GUY NOW???

[Ethel Biscuit]

GypZ, none of those Einstein quotes contradict what I said about the meaning of the scientific term "theory". Einstein's own theory of relativity is not "just a theory" in the popular sense of the word.

[jrg]

GypZ, none of those Einstein quotes contradict what I said about the meaning of the scientific term "theory". Einstein's own theory of relativity is not "just a theory" in the popular sense of the word.

Correct!  Sean Carol's recent book The Big Picture is all about what is a theory and what can be proven and how can we tell what is so in the world.  Its a great read (or listen, its on Audible).

The IQD can not be RV'd significantly beyond the reserves, its just arithmetic.

[Kevind53]

A hypothesis is a reasonable guess based on what you know or observe. A scientific theory consists of one or more hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. Laws are accepted as being universal and are the cornerstones of science. They can not be shown to be wrong, and are generally short and concise, often expressed in a mathematical expression.

[jrg]

A hypothesis is a reasonable guess based on what you know or observe. A scientific theory consists of one or more hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. Laws are accepted as being universal and are the cornerstones of science. They can not be shown to be wrong, and are generally short and concise, often expressed in a mathematical expression.

"Laws" are accepted but CAN be shown to be wrong, or more often incomplete.  i.e. we once thought Newtonian mechanics was the proper description of all motion, but have since learned that at the extremes of mass or speed in either direction (very tiny or very huge) its significantly wrong (i.e. quantum mechanics and general relativity).  Technically Newtonian mechanics is always wrong, but at modest mass and speed its so close that we still use it to fly around the solar system.

[Kevind53]

No, if a law is show to be wrong then the science behind the law is also incorrect. In that sense, the law can not be wrong. As you pointed out Newtonian Physics is wrong, however for most purposes it is right enough.

[jrg]

No, if a law is show to be wrong then the science behind the law is also incorrect. In that sense, the law can not be wrong. As you pointed out Newtonian Physics is wrong, however for most purposes it is right enough.

Well sure.  A "law" in this case is just a consice description of the science behind it.  So I don't understand what you mean when you say such a law can not be wrong.  But I don't think we fundamentally disagreeeing.

[Kevind53]

Strictly defined, a scientific law to be a law must be irrefutably correct. Newtonian Physics met that definition until the last century when Einstein's Theory of Relativity coupled with observations using modern technology proved it wrong. Interestingly, though Quantum Theory has expanded our understanding, Einstein's original hypothesis still stands though some observations from CERN with Neutrinos did cast some doubt, presenting the possibility they had traveled faster than light. Last I was aware they had determined the issue was with the equipment, so I guess it still stands as a theory.

[MarcusCurtis]

ok ..Do you prepare for Earthquakes,Tornado's ,Snow blizzards.... BY STORING WATER, GAS FOOD FOR YOUR SELF ...[Bank failures????]  .Do you believe in vaccines ? What is A VACINES FOR YOUR CHILDREN... ?MOST OF  THESE ARE BASED ON A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION THEY MIGHT CATCH A FLUE OR SUFFER FROM A CATASTROPHE ... ECT..!OK NOW THIS IS NO DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I ASKED YOU!   bottom line i find it impossible that you have never thought what if it really happens..!

There is an assumption here that needs to be explained. Earthquakes, tornadoes, and snow blizzards are all hypothetical realistic situations. It makes sense to prepare in the event these natural disasters occur. However, the dinar is not a real hypothetical situation!

I think it is illogical to think about how you would react in a situation that is impossible to happen in the first place. That is like saying what would you do if a car starts driving itself uphill on an empty tank of gas. There is just no way it is ever going to happen!

Preparing for hypothetical events is one thing, preparing for fairy tales is another story. Should I wake up in land of fairy tales one day or should I find myself in the land of rainbows and lollypops, and if there is a revalue, then I will be happy for everyone that owns dinar. Then I will look at the nurse and request more morphine.

Rod and I both owned dinar. I had my dinar for 2 years before I sold it. I think a bigger question here is this. What kind of trouble will the gurus be in once people realize that this thing is nothing but a scam?

[jrg]

Strictly defined, a scientific law to be a law must be irrefutably correct. Newtonian Physics met that definition until the last century when Einstein's Theory of Relativity coupled with observations using modern technology proved it wrong. Interestingly, though Quantum Theory has expanded our understanding, Einstein's original hypothesis still stands though some observations from CERN with Neutrinos did cast some doubt, presenting the possibility they had traveled faster than light. Last I was aware they had determined the issue was with the equipment, so I guess it still stands as a theory.

You've still lost me.  Nothing outside of a restricted domain like say plane geometry, can be irrefutably correct.  Clearly Newtonian mechanics was not as it was refuted.

[Purpleskyz]

Sam... you are a class act!

Keep up the good work! The dinar landscape sure has changed since you first started your blog. Your blog was one of the ONLY ones that allowed people to question this so called investment back then.

[Chaz]

With all the lies coming from ALL THE gurus & some of the most outrageous Intel, like the elders, the new age religion tied into the revaluation, alien s, anyone in main stream finance, investments, would not look twice at the dinar as a investment,because there are only scammers involved in it, if you are holding on to your dinar for a return you will be taking it to the grave with you.
It doesn't take a Einstein to see that the middle east is burning, the terrorist are not going to leave so easily, besides that the sectarian violence is on the upswing, bombings every week in the capital of a democratic country, trillions of dinar circuits in the world, notorious unscrupulous people promising you will be rich.
YEP, where going to have a RV?
I gave a million two hundred thousand dinar for a 2002 Subaru, best deal I ever made. I am still driving that old Subaru too. That was every bit of dinar I had.
LOVE YOU ALL
CHARLES

[Kevind53]

Strictly defined, a scientific law to be a law must be irrefutably correct. Newtonian Physics met that definition until the last century when Einstein's Theory of Relativity coupled with observations using modern technology proved it wrong. Interestingly, though Quantum Theory has expanded our understanding, Einstein's original hypothesis still stands though some observations from CERN with Neutrinos did cast some doubt, presenting the possibility they had traveled faster than light. Last I was aware they had determined the issue was with the equipment, so I guess it still stands as a theory.

You've still lost me.  Nothing outside of a restricted domain like say plane geometry, can be irrefutably correct.  Clearly Newtonian mechanics was not as it was refuted.

If it has been proven wrong, then by definition, it is no longer considered a scientific law, even though it might still be good enough and useful for everyday purposes. NB some aspects of Newtonian physics, i.e. conservation of momentum, could still be considered law since it has not been refuted, but in fact applies even at the sub atomic level although other forces have a greater effect at that point. I have a feeling however that when and if they ever do finally solve the unified theory a lot of things will change.

[Ponee]

Good video Sam I Am... thanks for sharing !  I would like to be able to expand it, do you have it on youtube?

[MarcusCurtis]

Good video Sam I Am... thanks for sharing !  I would like to be able to expand it, do you have it on youtube?

Hi Ponee

It is on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1APXK4VXZlk

[jrg]

If it has been proven wrong, then by definition, it is no longer considered a scientific law, even though it might still be good enough and useful for everyday purposes. NB some aspects of Newtonian physics, i.e. conservation of momentum, could still be considered law since it has not been refuted, but in fact applies even at the sub atomic level although other forces have a greater effect at that point. I have a feeling however that when and if they ever do finally solve the unified theory a lot of things will change.

I think I see the confusion.  When you said that a law is something that can not be shown to be wrong (and has overwhelming support to be correct of course), you meant refuted at present, not that it can never be refuted, which is how I read it (and why I disagreed).

[Sam I Am]

Good video Sam I Am... thanks for sharing !  I would like to be able to expand it, do you have it on youtube?

Thanks.  Yes I do.  Here's the link.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1APXK4VXZlk