Bank Story #77

by **Ssmith** Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:46 pm

Not exactly a bank story, but close enough for me.

bestlife wrote:

I just received a phone call that had me pretty much upset. My husband evidently has been talking to this company about purchasing gold and silver after RV. This person asked me (husband was laying down) if our investment happens to be the dinar. I told him yes. He said that the dinar and dong are scams. Now this is coming from a well known investment company. He also said there is a law suit that I should get involved in and get my money back. I don't believe this is a scam but it really set me back for a few since it was coming from a well known investment company. Has anybody else had that happen? Waiting not so patient anymore for RV hahaha God bless you all!!

by **Kevind53** Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:52 pm

If there is a law suit the only guys who will make out will be the sharks... err ...lawyers. They'll make out like bandits, everyone else will get pennies on the dollar if they're lucky.

by **FS4Enthusiast** Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:33 pm

Kevind53 wrote:If there is a law suit the only guys who will make out will be the sharks... err ...lawyers. They'll make out like bandits, everyone else will get pennies on the dollar if they're lucky.

You're whining about lawyers making money, meanwhile the real sharks (the dinar sellers) have made MASSIVE profits (literally hundreds of millions or billions of dollars) and have gotten off scott free?

REALLY?

You're advocating letting people getting away with fraud and wrongdoing just because you think it's only the lawyers that will profit? That is a BIZARRE opinion. So you're saying no one should have dropped a dime on Madoff just because of lawyers? Really? Because that is EXACTLY what you're saying. You're saying Madoff wasn't a scammer and didn't deserve to do jail time?

You've already acknowledged that essentially 100% of the people pumping this scam (the "gurus") are liars and scam artists. What is it going to take to make you actually realize that it isn't just the gurus that are scamming, but that it's the entire notion of the RV that is a scam? Are you going to keep pumping the dinar right up until they lop? Is that the only thing that would make you stop believing in the scam?

Pennies on the dollar? You know what you're currently getting? Most people are currently getting -20% to -40% on the dollar. A lawsuit where they might break even would be the BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME they could hope for. But here you are complaining about it.

You're either part of the problem, or you're part of the solution. And you haven't realized it yet Kevin, but you're part of the problem. Sooner or later, you WILL realize it. Unless you die first. Last time I checked the only reason you could put forth that 'The RV' could happen was faith. You had zero legitimate economic reasons to believe what you believe. The way I see it you've got a few choices:

1. Put forth some legitimate economic reasons why you think the dinar could increase by even 1,000% in value, LET ALONE the 300,000% increase in value that you have previously stated was possible or likely.
2. Admit that you have zero legitimate reasons to believe in the RV and recant on 99.9% of the BS you've said previously and admit you really don't understand currencies or economics and that all your previous statements were completely unfounded and based on ignorance.

If you've got a #3 option I'd love to hear it. I'm not seeing it.

by **RamblerNash** Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:10 am

ssmith wrote:Not exactly a bank story, but close enough for me.

bestlife wrote:

I just received a phone call that had me pretty much upset. My husband evidently has been talking to this company about purchasing gold and silver after RV. This person asked me (husband was laying down) if our investment happens to be the dinar. I told him yes. He said that the dinar and dong are scams. Now this is coming from a well known investment company. He also said there is a law suit that I should get involved in and get my money back. I don't believe this is a scam but it really set me back for a few since it was coming from a well known investment company. Has anybody else had that happen? Waiting not so patient anymore for RV hahaha God bless you all!!

I'll bet that caused a stir in the forum if it didn't get "squashed".

by **Terbo56** Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:58 am

The dinar isn't a scam, the way it is pushed toward people to buy, and the way it is manipulated IS the scam-The banks tell people it is a scam, because they have been told to tell people that- If they told people it wasn't a scam, when and if it RV'd, and they didn't let their employees in on it, when it did, they'd have nobody to work at the banks, they'd all quit their jobs-When the employees do find out they were not told the truth,they'll probably quit anyway, because they'll know they can't trust their manager-They will feel duped-

by pama Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:27 pm

I just have to say this. Foreign currency is not a scam. It has been traded on the market for years. You can sell your currency back to the dealers at any time. End of story.

by **FS4Enthusiast** Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:32 pm

The dinar isn't a scam. It's the currency of a violent third world toilet. Foreign currency isn't a scam. It is what it is. People make money off foreign currency all the time, but they make money off daily moves of around 1/10th of a percent or less. They don't make it off fairy tale RVs.

What IS a scam is the notion that the IQD has any chance of appreciating massively in value. It's worth so little because they've printed so much. Many tens of trillions. No different than any other hyperinflated currency. The scam is LYING about the dinar, including saying that it could RV to 10 cents or greater (or even 1 cent, let alone the 1/3/30 dollar nonsense). It can't. It won't. The people saying that it will, or could, don't know what they're talking about.

Stop and think for a second and take an HONEST look at the situation with the dinar:

1. Virtually everything you read hyping the dinar is a lie. It isn't massively undervalued. They aren't pulling in all the 000 notes in order to RV. It wasn't intentionally devalued by the (US/UN/IMF/Whoever) in 2003. Oil credits? China buying them up? PTB/whale/F&F cash ins? ALL LIES.
2. There are ZERO legitimate investment bigshots telling people to invest in the dinar. Who IS telling people to invest in the dinar? Tony. Convicted felon. Currently indicted for fraud. Montana. From what I've read, a porn site pusher with a very questionable backstory. BH Group? In jail for their lies and fraud. Breitling? Penny stock pumper. Who else? MLM pumpers? Mailmen? I think Kap is a pizzaboy. Mt Goat? Who knows what he/she/it is.

Fine me ONE single person pushing the dinar with credentials that exceed that of John Jagerson (who says it's a massive scam) and I'll not only concede defeat, I'll Paypal you $1,000.00 immediately. Guess what? You can't. There's a guy on Twitter saying he'll give anyone $50,000 if they can prove that Iraq intends to RV their currency to $1 (or maybe it's 10 cents, can't remember). Guess what? No takers.
3. These pumping morons have latched onto other currencies in case the IQD RDs (and also just to pump up their profits in the meantime). Why would the VND RV? They've printed literally quadrillions of it. Would would the "Zim" RV? It literally isn't even a currency. Just paper.
4. Yeah. You can sell it back. At a 20% or more loss. That's the point. You're losing hundreds or thousands of dollars on something that has zero chance of happening. That is the scam. You have a better chance of getting rich by buying Powerball tickets or sticking your money in a slot machine than you do from buying IQD. That's not an exaggeration. It's a fact.

If you think the fact that (currently, but who knows for how long) you can get 80% of your money back means it isn't a scam, then let me make this proposition: For every $100 you send me, I will send you one magic bean. These magic beans should, after several years of careful watering and tending, grow into a plant that produces solid gold beans worth millions of dollars. If at any point you decide that you're tired of waiting for the solid gold beans, send me back the plant(s) and I will refund you 80% of your money. Can't be a scam, right? Because you can get some of your money back. 80% guaranteed. I'll even put the 80% in an escrow account so you can see that it's there and confirm that you can get it back at any time. That makes it even better than the dinar, as far as I know, I don't think there's any dealer out there that will guarantee 80% of your money back after 5 or 10 or even 20 or 50 years, and I know there's zero willing to put that 80% into an escrow account that you can see. You can't lose, right (well, any worse than you're losing with the dinar, right?). And on top of that these magic beans would continue to produce gold beans year after year. Most of you think the dinar will only make you a 100,000% return once. These could make you 100,000% EVERY SINGLE YEAR FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIVES! It is obviously a WAY better investment than the dinar for that reason.

by WayneO Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:18 pm

I have had discussions before with FS4 where he made some mis quotes and straight out stupid statements. I did not pick him up on all of them, but my assessment is that FS4 and SSMITH in particulars combined knowledge pool is very, very shallow.

If FS4 and SSMITH want me to pull up their stupid statements again I will.

In this discussion I think turbo56 is closest to the mark.

by WayneO Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:38 am

FS4, last discussion we had you launched scathing attacks on lawyers, now you're saying people should take legal action against the Gurus if they lose money on the Iraq Dinar.

I looked at everything the Gurus said about the Dinar, I weighed it all up and decided not to buy any Dinar, everybody else had the same choice, if they decided to take a risk then that is their choice, and that is probably the way a court would look at it too.

Think about what you said. If anybody threw more than they could afford at the Dinar, then that is their stupidity. Lets say a lower income earner paid out $1,000, and if nothing happens he loses $1,000. Do you really think going to a lawyer is going to help? Most lawyers I know want $1,000 in the kitty up front for starters. The loss just doubled. A day in court, where I come from costs heaps. So if they lose, which I think is the most likely outcome, they are then down the drain for costs as well, now we're talking big bucks.

Even on the slim chance they win, all they get is a judgement, that is the right to collect the money, the court doesn't give them the money. So if the defendant doesn't pay, they then have to outlay more money to actually collect the amount owed. They could spend several thousand or more to proceed through to bankruptcy, and still get nothing because most of these scammers know how to use the law in their favour, they can control a fortune but own nothing the claimant can get their hands on. Well that's the law where I come from.

All that ranting on another stupid idea.

By the way, please send me the link where you claim Karen Hudes said " Non humans (ie. aliens) are in all the powerful positions in the world" or words to that effect. I am pretty sure you have probably misquoted her again. Last time I picked you up on misquoting her I also showed why what she had really said was not crap as you called it.

How can you be so certain everybody who thinks differently to you is a con artist, liar and idiot. And why are you so aggressive toward everybody, when really you only open your mouth to change feet.

by **Terbo56** Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:02 am

It takes all kinds, I guess- I knew it from the beginning- Some that think they know it all, really annoys those of us who do-Jus' sayin- You cannot reason with a grapefruit-

by **Ssmith** Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:05 am

WayneO wrote:I have had discussions before with FS4 where he made some mis quotes and straight out stupid statements. I did not pick him up on all of them, but my assessment is that FS4 and SSMITH in particulars combined knowledge pool is very, very shallow.

If FS4 and SSMITH want me to pull up their stupid statements again I will.

In this discussion I think turbo56 is closest to the mark.

I don't know how I got drug into this, but thank you for the compliment anyway.

Fact... Iraq has a ton of IQD. You think it's value is going to be in the range of Kuwaits? Well, the money supply will have to be in the same range too. That means a lop.

A large chunk of the country is under control ISIS, Sunni, Shia & Kurds still don't trust each other. Not exactly a stable situation.

If currency value relates to a country's wealth, why doesn't Venezuela and other oil rich countryies have currency in the 3-1 USD range? They even have diamonds and other gemstones. They have gold too. (Note: Dinarians love shiny objects)

FS has a good point. Find someone who has any financial credentials (that doesn't mean a rap sheet) that says Iraq's currency is about become one of, if not, the richest on earth.

Peace....

by **Ssmith** Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:24 am

Regarding Karen Hudes and aliens:

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA1e9k1q_1c

March 17 2014

This is so nuts, it’s hard to believe but it’s true. Karen Hudes was being interviewed by Future Money Trends when midway through the interview about conspiracies conerning global economy, she reveals the aliens that have been hiding at the Vatican. WHAAT?? When executive professionals such as Karen begin speaking out about these coming events, we need to start paying closer attention.

Karen Hudes served an an attorney for The Cebtral Bank for 20 years. She had learned of deep corruption and aligned herself with other whistle blowers to uncover the corrupt activities. even after going to The World Banks Evaluation Department and country directors, and then to the U.S. Treasury Department and even the United States Congress, she was ignored. So she went public and uncovered much more, what she calls a ‘global conspiracy.’

http://beforeitsnews.com/paranormal/2014/03/utterly-fantastic-disclosure-aliens-have-been-hiding-at-the-vatican-and-are-preparing-to-show-themselves-end-times-alien-invasion-imminent-video-you-really-need-to-see-this-2465954.html

by **FS4Enthusiast** Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:16 pm

I don't know how I got drug into this, but thank you for the compliment anyway.

Fact... Iraq has a ton of IQD. You think it's value is going to be in the range of Kuwaits? Well, the money supply will have to be in the same range too. That means a lop.

A large chunk of the country is under control ISIS, Sunni, Shia & Kurds still don't trust each other. Not exactly a stable situation.

If currency value relates to a country's wealth, why doesn't Venezuela and other oil rich countryies have currency in the 3-1 USD range? They even have diamonds and other gemstones. They have gold too. (Note: Dinarians love shiny objects)

FS has a good point. Find someone who has any financial credentials (that doesn't mean a rap sheet) that says Iraq's currency is about become one of, if not, the richest on earth.

I wouldn't waste your time with this clown, I'm certainly not going to waste any more of mine.

Like virtually all conspiracy theorists, everything he believes has zero actual evidence supporting it, and virtually 100% of it makes zero sense to anyone that actually understands how the world/economics/etc works. And on top of that he flat out lies and misrepresents what people say to try and distract from the fact that his own arguments have absolutely no evidence or logic behind them whatsoever. It's like his only goal is to try and score points in some imaginary HS debate that's going on in his head.

Just let him wallow around in his GCR/TRN/Cabal/White hat fantasies. He's not even talking about an RV in the sense that we are, so I'm not sure why he's chosen this site to darken with his ignorant presence.

by **FS4Enthusiast** Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:17 pm

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by **Kevind53** Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:24 pm

Yep a real nutcase ... Hudes that is ... the other, well they have earned a place on my enemies list. They have nothing to say of any value and only spend their time tearing down anyone who does not subscribe to their perception of "truth."

by WayneO Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:56 pm

I'll go look at what Karen Hudes said about aliens. Then I'll come back with my assessment as well as answering some other ridiculous attacks on myself by SSMITH and FS4.

In the mean time here is some proof of how dumb some Americans are, if SSMITH and FS4 are not already enough proof.

http://sgtreport.com/2015/03/its-official-americans-r-stupid/

by WayneO Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:00 am

Before I watch what Karen Hudes actually said, I'm sure it won't be " Non Humans (ie.aliens)
are in all positions of power in the world" or words to that effect, as said by FS4, I want to straighten out a few facts.

Firstly in this discussion FS4 had a major rant stating that people who lose money on the IQD should take legal action against the Gurus. I pointed out why I did not think that was a smart idea.

Next I get a tirade from SSMITH on the Dinar, even though I had already stated clearly I weighed up the info on the Dinar and decided not to buy. So why lecture me on the dinar?

SSMITH did make one good point in that why doesn't asset rich countries have a higher currency value, or words to that effect. My point exactly as to why a GCR makes perfect sense.

Next I get called a clown and a liar by FS4, why?

I haven't told any lies. I told you last discussion why I think a GCR makes perfect sense. I told you I had contact with four different people directly involved in the GCR process. I told you that except for the US violating a pact with 140 countries the GCR would have happened around late November 2013.

What the hell more do you want? Just because you don't believe anything doesn't make me a liar.

In my previous discussions, which started out about Jester retiring and I picked up Kevind 53 for misquoting Jester, SSMITH said the Chinese Family and Zionist Bankers were conspiracy theories.

I know for sure the Chinese Family exists and as I said, I know a retired barrister who worked on their case against the Fed for the redemption of their 60 year bonds starting 1999 with regards to gold sent to the US for safe keeping after Japan invaded China in 1937.

I also said I believed there were other legal cases by them against the Fed for non repayment of loans.

To say that Zionist Bankers ( Rothchilds etc ) are a conspiracy theory is beyond my comprehension. They hijacked the US Government in 1913 and have controlled it for over 100 years.

I now believe the result from the said court cases has quietly reduced the power of the Zionist Bankers and we are finally witnessing major changes in what has been a corrupt and criminal monetary system. The changes are for the betterment of humanity, and may include a GCR in some form, but none of my people know if or how that may happen now.

If you can't see these changes happening in the world now then you're definitely living under a rock somewhere, or you're blind, deaf and dumb.

That is what I know from first hand experience. What amazes me is how FS4 and SSMITH can be so certain that everybody who tells the truth about what they believe is a proven con artist, liar, idiot or conspiracy theorist.

No matter what I say, FS4 says I know nothing and I give no reason for my statements. What the hell else do you want? I have already done more than you asked for.

I don't have to prove you are fools, you are both doing a great job of that yourselves.

by **Terbo56** Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:19 am

WayneO, you spoke truth, yet volumes- Kudos to you- And by the way, NOBODY twisted anyone's arm to get into this investment, or for a better word, "cluster'- We did that all by ourselves, and need nobody to run us into the ground because of it- Yes, indeed, there ARE fools in this investment, and We're both sure that we KNOW who they are, and it's NOT the ones who have a head on their shoulders-And, personally, IF anyone that does NOT hold dinar, don't really need to be here, stirring the pot ... Now, watch and see who comes out from under the mop board on this one- Any takers?

by **FS4Enthusiast** Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:11 am

WayneO wrote:Before I watch what Karen Hudes actually said, I'm sure it won't be " Non Humans (ie.aliens)
are in all positions of power in the world" or words to that effect, as said by FS4, I want to straighten out a few facts.

Funny how you cry a river about others "misquoting" (apparently calling me out for saying that Hudes said 50% went to the Vatican when she really said 60%? That's your idea of a serious misquote?), meanwhile you misquote and misrepresent people constantly. Nowhere did I say "ALL" positions of power. And whether she's talking about aliens or a non-human terrestrial species, I don't care. Either way she's a nut, and your assertion that since she's a lawyer she's somehow inherently trustworthy is bizarre and naïve in the extreme.

After you're done with the non-humans things, you can go ahead and provide proof that these are also true:

There's more gold in some bank in Hawaii than has ever been mined in the entire history of the planet.
How there are contracts for quadrillions of USD when there isn't that much money on the entire planet.

I told you that except for the US violating a pact with 140 countries the GCR would have happened around late November 2013.

Let me guess, you don't have any evidence for this other than either:
1. Some nutjob on a blog or youtube video stating so.
2. Some "document" that could be ginned up in about 2 minutes by a twelve year old and has absolutely nothing that proves it is at all valid.

Which is why it's pointless to waste time discussing anything with people such as yourselves. You believe whatever you want to believe no matter whether there's any actual evidence supporting it. You follow Jester, believe what you want and pretend that him saying it is evidence or confirmation, and discard whatever he says that you don't like. You find three or four other conspiracy theorists like him and, again, believe what they say that you like and discard the rest.

The end result is that you just believe whatever you want and you pretend that just because you can find other people saying the same thing, it's confirmation that you're correct.

The GCR is nonsense. Nothing you've said proves otherwise.

Here's how your GCR is going to play out:

Conspiracy theorists keep saying "It's coming it's coming it's coming."
Eventually their audience tires of the constant non-specific predictions so they say something like "it's scheduled for August of 2016, it's going down for sure"
It doesn't happen, so they say "The cabal stopped it but the white hats are fighting them and it'll happen soon."
Spend another year or two saying "White hats are fighting, it's coming soon soon soon"
Soon soon soon becomes "this week for sure" or "next Tuesday for sure" or "this afternoon for sure."
Eventually people get tired of hearing that, so you start saying "it happened, it totally happened, but the cabal has managed to block the release of it but there's no way they can stop it forever. But it HAS happened just like we said it was gonna, only the release of it is blocked"
Spend another year or two repeating that tired old line.
Tell everyone that the (cabal, black hats, US Government, Zionists, Illuminati, space aliens/whoever) shut everything down and we're back to square one, but the good guys are still fighting and it's coming coming coming!
Rinse and repeat.

Anyone notice any correlation to what some gurus say about the dinar?

by **FS4Enthusiast** Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:15 am

terbo56 wrote:WayneO, you spoke truth, yet volumes- Kudos to you- And by the way, NOBODY twisted anyone's arm to get into this investment, or for a better word, "cluster'- We did that all by ourselves, and need nobody to run us into the ground because of it- Yes, indeed, there ARE fools in this investment, and We're both sure that we KNOW who they are, and it's NOT the ones who have a head on their shoulders-And, personally, IF anyone that does NOT hold dinar, don't really need to be here, stirring the pot ... Now, watch and see who comes out from under the mop board on this one- Any takers?

Madoff never twisted anyone's arm to get into his investments, does that mean he did nothing wrong? Why is he in jail?

You don't think there's anything wrong with lying to people, causing them to lose money in a sham "investment"? And you complain about people that actually try and tell the truth about it? What a bizarre opinion. Are you making money by lying to people about the dinar? I can't think of any other reason you'd think the way you do.

by **Terbo56** Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:22 am

See, WayneO, what did I say? It worked, didn't it? Inferiority complex, if I ever saw one-

by **FS4Enthusiast** Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:45 am

terbo56 wrote:See, WayneO, what did I say? It worked, didn't it? Inferiority complex, if I ever saw one-

Why does it upset you so much that someone would come on here and actually tell the truth about the dinar? Is it because you've invested so much time and energy into this scam and you can't stand to think that you've been played for a fool the entire time?

Remember when you flipped out and started posting profanity laced tirades and threatening me, just because I told you the truth (that you don't want to hear)? I do.

by **alleyrose** Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:13 pm

Good Lord look what I wake up to!!! Boys, boys, boys, all flexing your muscles over stupid money and who's right and who's wrong. Who actually cares, there's more things to argue about. I am actually super impressed you are all talking about Aliens wooo hoooo now there's something worth having a conversation about! The dinar is what it is, you either believe in it or not and it really doesnt matter at the end of the day. Personally I think this investment is full of shit but that's me and I don't have any facts or stupid articles to back that shit up either so don't ask! Calm your farms and stop being mean to each other!

by WayneO Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:51 pm

alleyrose, good point, i have been asking all along, on several occasions, why are these guys so aggressive?

My argument is not about aliens but more about putting people down by mis quoting them.

For goodness sake, I have said on four separate occasions, very clearly, from the start, that I investigated the dinar RV and I DID NOT BUY ANY DINAR.

FS4 DO YOU UNDERSTAND, I DO NOT HAVE ANY DINAR!!!!!

That's six times now I have said it. That was never my argument, but it is all you keep coming back to, because I have been right every time so far on the mis quotes. Don't mis quote people and then proceed to put them down based on your mis quotes. You even mis quoted me. Is that all clear enough for you to understand. As alleyrose says, calm down, there are more important things to do, but everybody is entitled to an opinion without being called a liar, con artist, idiot or conspiracy theorist. Enough!!!

by **FS4Enthusiast** Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:58 pm

alleyrose wrote:Who actually cares, there's more things to argue about.

The people that have lost thousands of dollars to this scam probably care. This woman probably cares:

""I had to get a Reverse Mortgage to supplement my income.

I did a draw on my equity and purchased my first Dinar in 2010. and a few more times purchased more. I then had the hope and a comfort to know when this revalued I would be able to pay off all of my debt and be able to support myself for the rest of my life. I knew that the equity would get me through a couple years and then, I would run out of funds to supplement my Social Security.""

by **FS4Enthusiast** Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:59 pm

WayneO wrote:

FS4 DO YOU UNDERSTAND, I DO NOT HAVE ANY DINAR!!!!!

Where did I say that you did?

by **alleyrose** Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:39 pm

FS4Enthusiast wrote:
alleyrose wrote:Who actually cares, there's more things to argue about.

The people that have lost thousands of dollars to this scam probably care. This woman probably cares:

""I had to get a Reverse Mortgage to supplement my income.

I did a draw on my equity and purchased my first Dinar in 2010. and a few more times purchased more. I then had the hope and a comfort to know when this revalued I would be able to pay off all of my debt and be able to support myself for the rest of my life. I knew that the equity would get me through a couple years and then, I would run out of funds to supplement my Social Security.""

Well holy shit if you are bloody silly enough to put yourself in that situation over a "maybe this will happen" hey more fool that person.

My point is, that we all have different opinions of this RV and while we can disagree with each other we need to keep it respectful. Shit if we all agreed how boring would that conversation be? Stop attacking each other over stupid shit!

WayneO I knew what you meant I just think its cool you bought aliens in here LOL!!

GROUP HUG!! 3 - Bank Story #77 9k=

by WayneO Wed Mar 25, 2015 3:43 am

alleyrose, I guess I better go check on these aliens and see what they're up to.

by **alleyrose** Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:51 am

WayneO I have been out bush cutting timber with my hubby this arv and my favourite time of the day out there is dusk, there is nothing out there except trees, fresh air and a bloody profuse amount of bugs BUT I have not yet seen a UFO which sucks! I fully expect to see one but never happens so annoying LOL! See if your aliens have any info on the RV while you're at it LOL!

by **FS4Enthusiast** Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:12 am

alleyrose wrote:
Well holy shit if you are bloody silly enough to put yourself in that situation over a "maybe this will happen" hey more fool that person.

Absolutely the person is a fool and an idiot. But that's the problem: a lot of people are fools and idiots. If there weren't fools and idiots we wouldn't even need laws against scams because no one would fall for them. But they do, so we do.

So when a fool/idiot hears about the dinar scam, googles it, sees a dozen forums where everyone is saying it's legitimate and the RV is bound to happen soon, they believe it.

I've lost track of the number of dinarians I've seen that can't even do basic math like calculate a percentage. Hell, I've seen dinarians that can't even do long division with a calculator (Bondlady being one of them). Many dinarians are simply mentally incapable of doing the due diligence necessary to understand the situation with the dinar.

So when a fool/idiot logs into a dinar forum and all they see is other fools/idiots confirming absolute lies, that's not good.

Apparently it isn't enough for Terbo that 99% of dinar forums just delete and ban the posts of people telling the truth, Terbo wants this one to be the same way just so, apparently, he'll feel good about his "investment". It's a sad and selfish and insecure thing to do.

by **Ssmith** Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:09 pm

Speaking of people who have trouble with basic math and have no business doing any kind of investing, especially something as complicated as foreign currencies (courtesy of TNT).....

Questions to Ask Bank Personnel

Ok, I admit it. I am a 66 year old grandma who was a single mom for a long time and until I took a business math course 5 years ago, I could not even balance a checking account. I really have not got a list of questions to ask the bank, having had very little money to live on most of my life. I do want to put this money to work and do not want folks spending it for me. But, what questions, other than the ones I have gleaned from here on the forum, should I be asking? I am certain to need the typed out list as my mind does go blank under stress. I am asking you all so that I get a wide range of questions I would not think of until it is already too late. Thank you all.

by **alleyrose** Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:01 pm

FS4Enthusiast wrote:
alleyrose wrote:
Well holy shit if you are bloody silly enough to put yourself in that situation over a "maybe this will happen" hey more fool that person.

Absolutely the person is a fool and an idiot. But that's the problem: a lot of people are fools and idiots. If there weren't fools and idiots we wouldn't even need laws against scams because no one would fall for them. But they do, so we do.

So when a fool/idiot hears about the dinar scam, googles it, sees a dozen forums where everyone is saying it's legitimate and the RV is bound to happen soon, they believe it.

I've lost track of the number of dinarians I've seen that can't even do basic math like calculate a percentage. Hell, I've seen dinarians that can't even do long division with a calculator (Bondlady being one of them). Many dinarians are simply mentally incapable of doing the due diligence necessary to understand the situation with the dinar.

So when a fool/idiot logs into a dinar forum and all they see is other fools/idiots confirming absolute lies, that's not good.

Apparently it isn't enough for Terbo that 99% of dinar forums just delete and ban the posts of people telling the truth, Terbo wants this one to be the same way just so, apparently, he'll feel good about his "investment". It's a sad and selfish and insecure thing to do.

FS4 REALLY??!! After I told everone yesterday to stop attacking each other THIS is what I wake up to?

by **BritishBulldog** Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:45 pm

1. What proof do you have that Chinese families exist?? Specific proof showing that they directly influence any type of world finance...

2. I went to school with 2 Rothschild's in England. Directly inline for the family fortune. Still keep in contact with them every once in a while via social media. But even they will tell you that their family used to be important...now they are just old money that is just a self sustaining business machine. They are a name....that's it. Nothing more than a wealthy family with rich ties to the past.

3. Again...what proof do you have of anything happening in 1913.

by **Kevind53** Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:45 pm

While I have no proof, my personal opinion is that the whole cabal thing is a subtle antisemitic attack. I do not think it coincidence that the parties named are either Jewish or have Jewish sounding names.

by WayneO Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:32 pm

alleyrose, FS4 attacks everybody, especially terbo56 and myself, I got called a clown and liar after giving him the proof he was asking for, then he came back asking for the same proof again.

No matter what I am discussing he keeps coming back and lecturing me on the Dinar. Sometimes I think he is a couple of kangaroos short in the top paddock, I think he means well, trying to save everybody from what he considers to be a complete scam. People can do as I did and make their own decisions. Perhaps his knowledge base is so narrow he doesn't see the bigger picture?

By the way, the aliens are not in all the positions of power in the world, as he claimed Karen Hudes had stated, or words to that effect. Just another mis quote. As I have no idea of how much gold has been mined in the history of the planet, I can't comment on that one.

British Bulldog, I have answers to your three questions, could get pretty long, so I will come back when I have more time. Got behind watching the Aussies thrash India in the semi final of the world cricket cup yesterday. Unfortunately, the Brits didn't make the final 8.

by **alleyrose** Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:43 pm

Don't worry WayneO it doesnt go unnoticed and it's wearing pretty thin. Don't let him worry you tho like you I think well if you got into this then it's your responsibility not ayone else's!

Yes they thrashed them didnt they!! AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE!!..............

by WayneO Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:31 am

British Bulldog, firstly your third question, there is a mile of information on Woodrow Wilson signing off on the Federal Reserve on 23rd December 1913. I believe the USA Corporation was formed in 1871. Go look it up.

Here is an extract from an article titled The Federal Reserve: A history of lies, thievery and deceit :

THE TEN MEMBER BANKS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE

All owned by the Rothschilds

Rothschild Bank of LondonWarburg Bank of HamburgRothschild Bank of BerlinLehman Brothers of New York*Lazard Brothers of ParisKuhn Loeb Bank of New York*Israel Moses Seif Banks of ItalyGoldman, Sachs of New YorkWarburg Bank of AmsterdamChase Manhattan Bank of New York
*In 1977 Kuhn Loeb and Lehman Brothers merged to create Kuhn Loeb, Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Now ask a question - Where is the Federal Government of the United States listed and how much does it get? I will answer it for you, it is not listed because the Federal Reserve is private and it receives nothing.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! WAKE UP!!! THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS ILLEGAL AND OUR IMPOTENT CONGRESS REFUSES TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT AND ABOLISH THE FED. THEY WOULD RATHER ALLOW US TO REMAIN IN BONDAGE FOREVER. DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ARE BOTH USELESS ENTITIES BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY THE BANKERS.

What you say about the Rothchilds now may be true, I don't know, but it is clearly documented that is the way it all started out in 1913.

When talking about the Chinese Family people are most likely talking about WDS (White Dragon Society) which I am told is 180 Royal Families who's headquarters are based in Hong Kong. They try not to get into politics, but are involved in finance.

As I have already said, I know a Barrister who worked on a long running case starting in 1999 for the return or payment of Gold sent to the US for safe keeping after Japan invaded China in 1937. I heard from a scientist working on the development of suppressed technologies with a faction of the WDS that money from the US Corp/Fed as a result of that case was to be paid on 24th October 1913. I was told that the partial shutdown of the US Government at around that time was connected to this event.

I am also told from other sources that the Fed have missed payments on loans to the WDS. Therefore, the WDS has now taken ownership, or control of certain Fed established assets. So it could be true the Rothchilds are no longer as involved, as you have said.

I also know another person who was working directly with another faction of the WDS, he was involved at the highest level on the banking side. He told me a lot of their future plans on changes to the global monetary system for the betterment of humanity, which all make an enormous amount of sense, or should do to most. But what's the point of expounding on this when the mentality of people like FS4 is everybody who ever talks about a GCR/RV is a proven con artist, liar, idiot or conspiracy theorist.

Now I cannot supply any sort of written proof on this information, but the three people I have mentioned are certainly not any of the above, quite the opposite, they are all brilliant people working at the very highest level.

I was probably a bit heavy on SSMITH, sorry about that, but I really get angry with people who place everything they don't understand, or don't want to believe in the conspiracy theory basket. Those people do far more harm than good. Go do some proper research.

My argument is how can anybody state that a GCR/RV is impossible, will never happen, perhaps they are right, but then it may be they just have no concept of a much bigger picture.

Although, for several reasons I did not buy dinar, I have placed myself in a can't lose situation. So why not have a free chuck at the stumps. Personally, I expect we'll see major changes to the global monetary system this year. It is already unfolding. Whether that will include a GCR or not I don't know, and I don't see how anybody can be certain either way.

I agree with Kevind53, the orthodox Jews have been set up as the perpetrators of crimes they have nothing to do with. They are waking up to this and taking action now.

by **FS4Enthusiast** Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:43 am

alleyrose wrote:Don't worry WayneO it doesnt go unnoticed and it's wearing pretty thin. Don't let him worry you tho like you I think well if you got into this then it's your responsibility not ayone else's!

Yes they thrashed them didnt they!! AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE!!..............

Here's WayneOs first post in this thread. Please let me know whom is attacking whom here, precisely:

I have had discussions before with FS4 where he made some mis quotes and straight out stupid statements. I did not pick him up on all of them, but my assessment is that FS4 and SSMITH in particulars combined knowledge pool is very, very shallow.

If FS4 and SSMITH want me to pull up their stupid statements again I will.

On top of that, after everyone was specifically told to lay off the personal attacks and insults, he immediately comes back with:

"Sometimes I think he is a couple of kangaroos short in the top paddock" and "Perhaps his knowledge base is so narrow he doesn't see the bigger picture?"

Which certainly seem like personal attacks and insults to me. You apparently think otherwise?

by **FS4Enthusiast** Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:48 am

WayneO wrote:
By the way, the aliens are not in all the positions of power in the world, as he claimed Karen Hudes had stated, or words to that effect.

You're misquoting me again, even after I specifically pointed out that I didn't say that. Hudes says non-humans are in positions of power (such as the Vatican). Period.

No matter what I am discussing he keeps coming back and lecturing me on the Dinar.

You're posting on a forum about the dinar, in a thread about the dinar, and then complaining about people talking about the dinar, and ignoring anything they say that's not about the dinar. That's not on me chief, that's all on you. You want to talk exclusively about your GCR why don't you make a thread about it.

I have placed myself in a can't lose situation.

Oh come on Wayne0, don't tease us, what is your "can't lose situation"?

by **Kevind53** Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:05 am

The Federal Reserve System was set up by an act of Congress in 1913. ALL nationally chartered banks are required to buy and own stock in the Fed. At the time the law was written that stock was required to be equal to 6% of their "paid up capital stock and surplus." Currently they are required to invest 3% of their working capital. Note that only Federally Chartered banks are REQUIRED to be members, other financial organizations may, but are not required to join, although I think some states may require state chartered banks to belong as well.

It is incorrect to state that there are 10 members of the bank. In fact, there are well over 1000 member banks. What about the board? While there are 7 seats for members of the board of governors, currently there are 5 filled. Members of the Board of governors are appointed by the president for 14 year terms, one every two years, so as to prevent the president for having too much influence over the board. The chair and vice chairs are 4 year terms from within the board. Of those five, only two members have been bankers, the others are all academics. BTW all 12 districts have boards with 9 members, 6 elected by the member banks of that district and 3 by the board of governors.

OK, OK, what about ownership? Well that's where it get's interesting. While the banks hold stock in the Fed, technically making them owners, it is not participating stock, and they do not receive dividends or earn interest on their stock. The Fed is subject to Congressional oversight, as established by the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, and modified periodically by law. Any profits are paid into the Treasury at the end of the year. Based on this IMO, the best possible answer is that they are not "owned" per se, any more than any other government agency is owned, rather they are an independent (maybe too independent, but that is another topic,) agency of the Federal Government.

by **Ssmith** Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:30 am

WayneO can't provide written proof of his stories. Tony can't either. Coincidence? I think not!

by WayneO Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:45 pm

SSMITH, I can't provide written proof because the very interesting written information I have is clearly headed "STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL". I feel very privileged to have been sent this information in the first place, so no way I am going to break the confidence they have in my integrity by forwarding such information to those who call everything they don't understand, or want to know, a conspiracy theory.

I have told you a little of what I know, what I don't know and what I believe. I can't do more than that. You can take it or leave it, your choice I don't care. But the reason the US is in such a hell of a mess is because the psyops obviously work, many of you are so dumbed down and brainwashed you can't accept anything you are told that doesn't fit the US image as portrayed by your government controllers through the mass media, which they also control. My strong advice before you call people liars, as you basically just have, get off your arse and go do some proper research. Go read the last dozen articles or so from Preston James Phd/veterans today. That will keep you out of mischief for a month or two, and will give you another perspective on the bigger picture.

FS4, this is definitely the last time I will bother replying to you. I didn't buy dinar or zim because I believe it is possible you could lose everything you put into them, even if they do RV. I have dong I purchased from a bank, with receipts, for a planned holiday in Vietnam next year. Because of the currency used to purchase the dong, if I sold them now I would make a profit, even after comissions. If it does RV as part of a GCR, or for any reason, even at a low rate, then I could have a big win, if there is no RV, and even if the dong goes down in value, I then get a very cheap holiday. See, can't lose.

British Bulldog should have asked Kevind53 about events of 1913, he knows more about it than I do. However, as Kevin indicates, what is written, and the abuse of the system by some is a different story.

As I keep saying, I don't have all the answers, wish I did. Having said that, for the same reason I don't have all the answers, and even my friends working at very high levels, don't have all the answers, since plans have been changed, I don't see how people like FS4 and SSMITH can be so certain they are right, and everybody who says different is a proven con artist, liar, idiot or conspiracy theorist.

by **Terbo56** Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:14 pm

Indeed- Welcome to my world- affraid

by **Ssmith** Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:05 pm

WayneO: "Go read the last dozen articles or so from Preston James Phd/veterans today"

Skimmed through enough. I gave up fairy tales when I was much younger. Case in Point:

by Preston James
Source: Veterans Today
September 30, 2014

Note: This article is written for retired military and Intel with advanced knowledge of Secret Space War matters. Its purpose is to provide information about a certain group of notably evil Alien ET visitors who formed a long-term association with Super-elite criminally-insane Psychopaths who hijacked America in 1913. These super-elite Deviants were given incredible power and authority in exchange for enacting the evil Agenda of this Alien ET group best described as Cosmic Parasites. This group of super-elite Deviants is best referred to as the Ruling Crime Cabal (RCC) AKA the “Illuminati”.

WayneO: "SSMITH, I can't provide written proof because the very interesting written information I have is clearly headed "STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL". I feel very privileged to have been sent this information in the first place, so no way I am going to break the confidence they have in my integrity by forwarding such information to those who call everything they don't understand, or want to know, a conspiracy theory"

Misc. quotes from Tony & DC: "So also what we’re doing, we’re not giving any single-source information for those who worry about those things or any sources that are like totally crap. All the information I have been talking about and Tony will talk about today, and frankly always, is consistently at least dual source so, and typically at least three normally, but sometimes we only have two sources in the location, but only, in order to protect those folks and make sure they don’t, you know, that there’s no political reprisal, there’s no bad guys doing bad things or people get mad at ‘em. So, again, for those who are, who are worried about our sources, no way in hell would we have gotten this far and had this many sources without treating them with the respect that they deserve."

" So I just wanted to also state for the record hopefully again how important it was to have our elder statesman that we never talk about and can never mention is his importance when he brought the, brought kind of the conclusion of our Twitter campaign about, kind of basically saying you earned a seat at the table and this is what’s going on. "

by WayneO Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:09 pm

SSMITH, don't dare compare me with Tony and DC. They make me sick with the crap they go on with.

I am telling the absolute truth. That's the big difference.

You just proved my point, it doesn't matter what anybody says, you classify them as a liar, or telling fairy tales, if it doesn't fit within what you think to be fact.

I was trying to add some useful information to the pool to help everybody. But that is obviously a waste of time with you closed minded lot. terbo56 already warned me on that point.

I stick to what I said earlier, those who think they know everything are usually the ones who don't even know enough to realise how much they don't know. You are proving to be one of them

by **Kevind53** Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:21 pm

Funny how the very people who accuse you of being close minded are closed to any opinion that differs from their own.

by **alleyrose** Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:42 pm

Yeah funny about that hey Kevin!

by **FS4Enthusiast** Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:11 am

WayneO wrote:SSMITH, I can't provide written proof because the very interesting written information I have is clearly headed "STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL".

Wow, big surprise, how convenient.

I have dong I purchased from a bank, with receipts, for a planned holiday in Vietnam next year. Because of the currency used to purchase the dong, if I sold them now I would make a profit, even after comissions. If it does RV as part of a GCR, or for any reason, even at a low rate, then I could have a big win, if there is no RV, and even if the dong goes down in value, I then get a very cheap holiday. See, can't lose.

So you think a currency that they have literally printed quadrillions of, that has done nothing but depreciate for the last 40 years, could provide you with a "big win". Funny stuff. When it doesn't, remember, you heard it here first. The Dong RV makes even less sense than the Dinar RV, and, of course, they're both total nonsense.

by WayneO Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:44 am

I am definitely not closed minded, I am open to opinions, and have accepted opinions from Ponee and Purpleskyz. What I object to is being called a liar for giving information, trying to help, that I know to be true.

What this does prove to me for sure, even if to nobody else, is that certain people would not recognise truth when they are hit over the head with it.

How can I possibly be called closed minded with anything I have said. I am open to opinions, but not to misquotes used to put others down, and not to being called a clown and a liar for voicing my opinion.

You may all be right, but despite what FS4 says, I have nothing to lose. Even if I did lose it all, it's peanuts, nothing that will effect me in the slightest. Time will tell, from the info I have, outside of dinarland which I take very little notice of anyway, I still believe it's worth a free chuck at the stumps.

by **FS4Enthusiast** Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:55 am

WayneO wrote:I am definitely not closed minded, I am open to opinions, and have accepted opinions from Ponee and Purpleskyz. What I object to is being called a liar for giving information, trying to help, that I know to be true.

What this does prove to me for sure, even if to nobody else, is that certain people would not recognise truth when they are hit over the head with it.

How can I possibly be called closed minded with anything I have said. I am open to opinions, but not to misquotes used to put others down, and not to being called a clown and a liar for voicing my opinion.

You may all be right, but despite what FS4 says, I have nothing to lose. Even if I did lose it all, it's peanuts, nothing that will effect me in the slightest. Time will tell, from the info I have, outside of dinarland which I take very little notice of anyway, I still believe it's worth a free chuck at the stumps.

Can you take a look at this chart, and tell me what the VND has done for the last 10 years, in general?

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=VND&view=10Y