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Post by Alchemist Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:24 pm

blog.dartmouthapologia.org/show/426

The blog of the Dartmouth Apologia
The Importance of Biblical Context
Suiwen Liang
"Understanding context is integral to biblical
analysis. Consider the following passage bereft
of context: “Jesus replied, “Go tell that fox, ‘I
will keep on driving out demons and healing
people today and tomorrow.”[i] The meaning of
the passage seems odd. Did Jesus wish to
disclose his actions to a furry, bushy-tailed
carnivorous mammal? Unlikely. Now, expand
the scope of the passage: “At that time some
Pharisees came to Jesus and said to him, “Leave
this place and go somewhere else. Herod wants
to kill you.” He replied, “Go tell that fox.’”[ii] The
passage is now intelligible; Jesus is clearly using
figurative language to refer to Herod. While this
example might come off as humorous, the
unfortunate reality is that many varying and
even contradictory interpretations of the Bible
have arisen which stem from ignoring biblical
context. Such inconsistencies confound the
believer in his search for truth and reinforce the
atheist in his skepticism. Nevertheless,
conflicting interpretations do not warrant that
Scripture itself is incoherent but rather that
some methods of interpretation, namely those
that neglect context, engender inaccurate
depictions of Christianity."


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Post by Alchemist Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:36 pm

"Bump!"

Alchemist wrote:"Christian father Origen, called 'the most accomplished biblical scholar of the early church,' admitted the allegorical and esoteric nature of the Bible: 'The Scriptures were of little use to those who understood them literally, as they were written.'"

I feel so loved that someone cared enough to make them interesting for me. I am always finding new meaning. Some of the things that strike me are:

How the placement of a comma, period or other punctuation can alter the meaning of the a sentence. Original texts had no punctuation. [also what do things in brackets mean?] You can research the history of how the Bible was punctuated on your own.

The differences between obvious contradictions and what immediately preceeds or follows them.

The structure, cadence and pattern of the words.

Examination in historical, allegorical and ideological contexts.

Letters have numerical values, perhaps there might be a reason certain word letter combinations are used.

Considering more complex codes that may or may not be by intention.

Recognizing within it's pages parables, sarchasm, humor, derision, chronicled history, love and unbridled passion; being able to distinguish the differences.

Considering the differences between the meanings of the original words and ideological transliterations into various English versions.

Studying the meanings to the original words, their various usages, roots, entymology and changes in usage over the centuries.

Then there are cosmological references such as Malachi 4:2. I once listened to a fire breathing Baptist preacher say, "the first Bible was written in the stars." At that time, I took little note of this. Sometimes the greatest journies begin with the smallest clues... And it is undisputed, "We don't know, what we don't know."


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Post by jahlives Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:39 pm

openmind wrote:Im guessing you watched The Colbert Report? I saw it too! Here is a link, in case anyone is interested. The interview mentioned is toward the end.

http://www.megavideo.com/?v=2W0KZ335


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Laughter is good for the soul - thanks for this post. Although I won't dine on a Booze Bacon Burger or tolerate Hypochristians in a Bully Pulpit, it made for great comedy. And, the Quantum Levitation Track was tooooooooo wild. Hee-larious!!!

OMG - Colbert asked, "How is laughter at the heart of a spiritual life - never says Jesus laughed, says Jesus wept? Was he weeping with laughter?" The Chaplain of the Colbert nation responded, "Jesus was human, so he laughed, he also showed a sense of humor in his parables . . . the problem is we don't get some of the jokes because we are so far removed from 1st century Palestine." Classic. I'm done.
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Post by Alchemist Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:28 pm

"Coals of Fire"

userwww.service.emory.edu/~cmadd01/coalfire.html

"Let's look at a passage of scripture that looks
strange to the Western mind, then let's look at
the Oriental custom used to clarify the passage.
Finally, let's check that explanation by looking at
other scripture on the same subject, to see
whether it confirms or conflicts with our
conclusions.
In Romans 12 a passage is quoted from
Proverbs about how to treat your enemies.
Romans 12:19-20.
12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves,
but rather give place unto wrath: for it is
written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith
the Lord.
12:20Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed
him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing
thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
Proverbs 25:21-22.
25:21 If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread
to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to
drink:
25:22 For thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his
head, and the LORD shall reward thee.
What does it mean to heap coals of fire upon
someone's head? This has been described as a
reference to an Oriental custom. A fire in the
center of a village was kept going day and night.
This fire was used to light the fires in individual
homes each day. Every morning a village youth
would put a container on his head, and hot
coals would be heaped into it. He would then go
from house to house distributing the hot coals
so that the villagers could start their fires. On
cold days this was an enviable job, since the
heat from the coals of fire kept the head and
hands of the youth warmed. To heap coals of
fire on someone's head, then, means to warm
him, and, by extension, to bless him.
This sounds like a reasonable explanation, even
though some problems become evident when
you think about it. On mornings that are not so
cold, it seems that this could be a very
uncomfortable job. Also, the youth was kept
warm as he went about doing good to others.
The reference is to someone who is actively
doing evil. Still, the explanation seems plausible.
In Psalm 140 we have a very different reference
to "coals of fire."
Psalm 140:5-12.
140:5 The proud have hid a snare for me, and
cords; they have spread a net by the wayside;
they have set gins for me. Selah.
140:6 I said unto the LORD, Thou art my God:
hear the voice of my supplications, O LORD.
140:7 O GOD the Lord, the strength of my
salvation, thou hast covered my head in the day
of battle.
140:8 Grant not, O LORD, the desires of the
wicked: further not his wicked device; lest they
exalt themselves. Selah.
140:9 As for the head of those that compass me
about, let the mischief of their own lips cover
them.
140:10 Let burning coals fall upon them: let
them be cast into the fire; into deep pits, that
they rise not up again.
140:11 Let not an evil speaker be established in
the earth: evil shall hunt the violent man to
overthrow him.
140:12 I know that the LORD will maintain the
cause of the afflicted, and the right of the poor.
Here again we see hot coals being heaped on
someone's head. But these coals are not just
hot; they are burning. And they are not heaped
on the head in blessing, but in judgment.
This is a prayer to God from an individual who is
being attacked by evildoers. His trust is not in
his own ability to defend himself, but rather in
God, who maintains the cause of the afflicted
and who protects the poor.
The point being made here is very similar to the
point made in Proverbs 25 and Romans 12: the
follower of God is not to avenge himself or
herself, but to leave all vengeance to God, who
judges rightly and rewards both good and evil at
the right time and in the right way. In Psalm
140, the believer is powerless to maintain his
own cause. In the other two records, the
implication is that the believer has the power to
take vengeance, but refrains because it is
outside the will of God for him to do so."

"eleutheria," licence, the liberty to do as one pleases.
www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G1657&t=KJV

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Post by Alchemist Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:32 pm

"Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God but unto them that are without all things are done in parables that seeing they may see and not perceive and hearing they may hear and not understand lest at any time they should be converted and sins should be forgiven them. Know ye not this parable? And how then will ye know all parables?"



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Post by Alchemist Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:37 pm

Jesus spoke with multi-faceted meaning.

Alchemist wrote:"Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God but unto them that are without all things are done in parables that seeing they may see and not perceive and hearing they may hear and not understand lest at any time they should be converted and sins should be forgiven them. Know ye not this parable? And how then will ye know all parables?"

jahlives wrote:
openmind wrote:Im guessing you watched The Colbert Report? I saw it too! Here is a link, in case anyone is interested. The interview mentioned is toward the end.

http://www.megavideo.com/?v=2W0KZ335


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Laughter is good for the soul - thanks for this post. Although I won't dine on a Booze Bacon Burger or tolerate Hypochristians in a Bully Pulpit, it made for great comedy. And, the Quantum Levitation Track was tooooooooo wild. Hee-larious!!!

OMG - Colbert asked, "How is laughter at the heart of a spiritual life - never says Jesus laughed, says Jesus wept? Was he weeping with laughter?" The Chaplain of the Colbert nation responded, "Jesus was human, so he laughed, he also showed a sense of humor in his parables . . . the problem is we don't get some of the jokes because we are so far removed from 1st century Palestine." Classic. I'm done.

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Post by openmind Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:45 am

Yeah, after George Carlin passed away, Bill Maher, Colbert, and Jon Stewart sort of fill a void.

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Post by Alchemist Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:08 pm

Revelations 21:16
"And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal."

Note: a square pyramid has a height equal to its base's side length.

21:23
"And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb the light thereof."

21:25
"And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there."

Acts 4:11
"This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner."

"Capstone Theories The capstone is thought to have been intact about 100 B.C. since no mention of its absence was recorded by the historian Diodorus Siculus. The capstone of the pyramid is thought to have always been absent."
www.crystalinks.com/gpstats.html

"Use of the pyramid inch is attributed to Sir Isaac Newton, who discovered that many of the measurements of the pyramid would be in whole numbers if this unit were used."
www.templeofsolomon.org/Pyramids/pyramid_symbolism.htm


Other interesting things:
"The Great Pyramid is located at the center of the land mass of the earth."
And...
"Marks Spring Equinox: Due to the angle of the sides of the pyramid vs. it's latitude, it casts no shadow at noon during the spring equinox."
and...
"The outer mantle was composed of
144,000 casing stones, all highly polished and
flat to an accuracy of 1/100th of an inch, about
100 inches thick and weighing about 15 tons
each with nearly perfect right angles for all six
sides."


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Post by Azure Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:28 pm

Alchemist thought you might like this lots of research.

Our battle is not against flesh and blood. Spiritual forces would wish to rob man of the only source of inspiration outlining the road to salvation. In the Battle of the Bibles hard evidence is provided for how the enemy has worked behind the scenes to create the stage for the final attack on the Word of God itself. The history and affiliations of those who have dared to reshape God's Word to suit there occult philosophy is clearly exposed

http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/125/213-battle-of-the-bibles/
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Post by Alchemist Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:17 pm

Azure,

Thank you. I got about 30 minutes into it. Later, no doubt, I will have time to finish. I see why you chose that and it was an excellent pick. I am curious which version you prefer.


peace =
shä·lōm' --> she·lō·mō'
(Heb) =?= (Lat --> KJV Eng)
Solomon --> "S¤l" + "Om" + "On"
= sun/star x 3
Poor transliteration?
Odd coincidence?


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Post by Azure Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:08 am

if I told you you might not watch the rest? that is the issue he addresses the problems with them,especially one version, I'm not adamant about any particular one but I am aware that some have way more problems than others, it depends on how you are reading them. I use e-sword for ease of reading I like the good news and clear-word translation.
I was raised on the King James so my memory verses are in my head with that,I have come to like the new NKJ the best as that is what I am used to.
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Post by Alchemist Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:53 pm

The creation of Lucifer...

Isaia 14:12: (KJV)
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son
of the morning! how art thou cut down to the
ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

Who is this entity and what was the synthesis of his creation?

First of all, one must examine who this verse refers to and in what context it should be taken. Next, one should consider the warning about taking a word or adding a word; since transliteration necessitates this, it may more aptly refer to changing the meaning.

Was this verse merely refering to to a Babylonian king? Also, is there strong derision or sarchasm involved? Did the king get to big for his britches, run away with ego, and over-step his bounds? Pride goeth before destruction.

A key word here, in the Hebrew, is "hey•lel." It means to ascend.

(*Before I go further, go back a few posts to find out how Sheloma was hacked from the Hebrew to the Vulgate to English to create a triple sun deity*)

Some commentaries liken this particular verse to a Venus reference. Venus has a cycle of dissapearing into the depths of the underworld (below the horizon) and then rising, but it does not rise above the sun in ancient traditions, though it does occasionally cross the sun. Was this merely a literary reference describing the vanity of a tyranical king who thought he could rise to the pinacle of heaven?

If this is so, then why has the concept of "Lucifer" taken form in doctrines, from the usage of this inaccurate transliteration
mostly unique to the King James Bible?

How has this deification of an egomaniacal ruler affected thought and policy throughout the ages? Has it been used as a fear-meme?

This is a legitimate examination of a key doctrine in many churches. If the doctrine is based on mis-translation, therefor faulty, where does that stand in light of, these verses?

"Ye shall not add unto the word which I
command you, neither shall ye diminish ought
from it..."
Deuteronomy 4:2

Or...

"And if any man shall take away from the words
of the book of this prophecy, God shall take
away his part out of the book of life, and out of
the holy city, and from the things which are
written in this book."
Revelation 22:19

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