Facts according to OKIE & Scotti G

by snowbird111 Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:52 pm

Okie stated that the IQD was slated to RV at least 3 times last week and one of the time there was computer glitch. Scottie G stated that he did not think Shabs needs Ebril completed to RV. Well if they truely did try to RV last week does it not stand to reason that Ebril does not have to be completed and the minister do not have to be seated and the HCL agreed on. Bottom line: Sounds like Shabs has already made the decision long ago or we have been getting bad intel. Which is it? So why not continue and get this done now. All the bugs in computer must surely be worked out. We have been lead to believe that M, A, T are still not agreeing so what's changed? What is real? Why not RV now? It is my opinion that M, A, T will go on and on with their differences along with corruption so deep its going to take 10 yrs to straighten out. Does Shabs need these guys or not? If not, stay the course and RV. Comments please.

by dean Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:21 pm

to small,double size, thanks

by snowbird111 Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:22 am

Was looking for some feedback on my statement. Bump.

by paidinfull Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:19 am

One thing remains as a certainty and that's shabs can't let inflation get to high. Maliki and allawi will forever be going at it because allawi got shafted by maliki and we helped that happen. This week still looks good and this month looks great for RV but time will tell.

by whoppertwins Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:36 am

if it did try to rv 3 times last week and computer glitches fixed (US glitches)
US being Super high tech nation makes me belives this is nonsense.
due to the fact iraq is low tech and they arent the problem?
why havent they tried to RV 3x this week since all is fixed?
Something is rotten in Denmark!

by openmind Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:58 am

This part really ruffled my feathers. I was making the same point about the World Court back in July, when Okie said countries had sued the US for holding up the RV.

[twin1] okie what ever became of the world court why dont they do something

[..OKIE OIL MAN] TWIN--WORLD COURT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT----THIS IS NOT AN INTERNATIONAL MATTER OF LAW

by Jewelz Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:04 am

snowbird111 wrote: We have been lead to believe that M, A, T are still not agreeing so what's changed? What is real? Why not RV now? It is my opinion that M, A, T will go on and on with their differences along with corruption so deep its going to take 10 yrs to straighten out. Does Shabs need these guys or not? If not, stay the course and RV. Comments please.

snowbird, to solve the problem in your mind about why you don't get your RV when you want it, is because the reason is much more complex than just the news coming out of Iraq with regard to the RV and the particular intel you hear pertaining to it alone You can find the real reason for your delay on this website in front of your face, though it is not fully understood to be on the menu for telling with your intel food.

The abundant amount of information accompanying the RV behind it all is not being discussed and that is what is holding up your dreams and it would probably upset you too much if someone were to tie a very lot of things together for you, should you even have the actual time and desire to know it, So you are left with trying to come to a conclusion based on one component out of many that does not have anything to do with the RV of the IQD.

You don't have to be a wizard to figure it out, you just need time and that is something not many have available so they need fast answers to complicated world changing situations so they can get their rest at night about all the stuff they don't have time to understand since it has been so cleverly stolen from them.

by reggie4664 Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:53 am

it would be nice if a title of a thread says oakie facts that there would be more than one quote in the thread i dont know who namd this but ?????

by openmind Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:53 am

yeah was wondering the same!

by stevejss1 Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:42 am

Okie stated that the IQD was slated to RV at least 3 times last week and one of the time there was computer glitch. Scottie G stated that he did not think Shabs needs Ebril completed to RV. Well if they truely did try to RV last week does it not stand to reason that Ebril does not have to be completed and the minister do not have to be seated and the HCL agreed on. Bottom line: Sounds like Shabs has already made the decision long ago or we have been getting bad intel. Which is it? So why not continue and get this done now. All the bugs in computer must surely be worked out. We have been lead to believe that M, A, T are still not agreeing so what's changed? What is real? Why not RV now? It is my opinion that M, A, T will go on and on with their differences along with corruption so deep its going to take 10 yrs to straighten out. Does Shabs need these guys or not? If not, stay the course and RV. Comments please.

My Comments:

1. Yes Shabs made his mind up long ago we know this. He has always said no RV until full government is formed.

2. If you agree with number one yes Erbil must be done to complete the government in order to RV.

3. They could not have tried to RV last week if Erbil and HCL are not completed.

4. Computer glitches last week true or untrue do not matter, can't pull trigger with out one and two.

5. As we know it the RV can legally happen without Erbil and Government but Shabs says it will never happen, love his people.

6. Yes Shabs needs these people if he wants a completed government or he needs there replacements to complete the government.

7. Yes intel is wrong.

Summary: You asked for opinions, this is the only logical conclusions I can come up will according to information we have. No slated RV's last week, No computer glitches, Need Erbil to RV, No HCl completed, Shabs has made up his mind, No RV until completion, Unfortunately our intel is wrong.

God Bless

by openmind Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:20 am

Very logical sir!

by paidinfull Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:44 am

whoppertwins wrote:if it did try to rv 3 times last week and computer glitches fixed (US glitches)
US being Super high tech nation makes me belives this is nonsense.
due to the fact iraq is low tech and they arent the problem?
why havent they tried to RV 3x this week since all is fixed?
Something is rotten in Denmark!

It really is speculation on our part because i thought it was nonsense the first time or two that has been said but this time i know for a fact that the intel of it crashed came from no less than 3 different sources and 4-5 people.Could it still be nonsense?Maybe but at this point i don't really care as it's past news and i just want to hear "It's RV'D and time to cash out!!" Then i will drive over every car in my way over there. lol!

by Guest Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:46 am

The sources giving intel to these forum owners (Gurus) are doing it to discredit the Gurus in order to get you frustrated to the point of selling out. Stay the course, this will come true before your eyes and soon and this year. AJ

by dinarling77 Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:52 am

Jewelz wrote:snowbird111 wrote: We have been lead to believe that M, A, T are still not agreeing so what's changed? What is real? Why not RV now? It is my opinion that M, A, T will go on and on with their differences along with corruption so deep its going to take 10 yrs to straighten out. Does Shabs need these guys or not? If not, stay the course and RV. Comments please.

snowbird, to solve the problem in your mind about why you don't get your RV when you want it, is because the reason is much more complex than just the news coming out of Iraq with regard to the RV and the particular intel you hear pertaining to it alone You can find the real reason for your delay on this website in front of your face, though it is not fully understood to be on the menu for telling with your intel food.

The abundant amount of information accompanying the RV behind it all is not being discussed and that is what is holding up your dreams and it would probably upset you too much if someone were to tie a very lot of things together for you, should you even have the actual time and desire to know it, So you are left with trying to come to a conclusion based on one component out of many that does not have anything to do with the RV of the IQD.

You don't have to be a wizard to figure it out, you just need time and that is something not many have available so they need fast answers to complicated world changing situations so they can get their rest at night about all the stuff they don't have time to understand since it has been so cleverly stolen from them.

It never ceases to amaze me how people on here say so little in so much space. I have to read the whole post to figure out nothing has been said!

by Guest Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:36 am

stevejss1 wrote:Okie stated that the IQD was slated to RV at least 3 times last week and one of the time there was computer glitch. Scottie G stated that he did not think Shabs needs Ebril completed to RV. Well if they truely did try to RV last week does it not stand to reason that Ebril does not have to be completed and the minister do not have to be seated and the HCL agreed on. Bottom line: Sounds like Shabs has already made the decision long ago or we have been getting bad intel. Which is it? So why not continue and get this done now. All the bugs in computer must surely be worked out. We have been lead to believe that M, A, T are still not agreeing so what's changed? What is real? Why not RV now? It is my opinion that M, A, T will go on and on with their differences along with corruption so deep its going to take 10 yrs to straighten out. Does Shabs need these guys or not? If not, stay the course and RV. Comments please.

My Comments:

1. Yes Shabs made his mind up long ago we know this. He has always said no RV until full government is formed.

2. If you agree with number one yes Erbil must be done to complete the government in order to RV.

3. They could not have tried to RV last week if Erbil and HCL are not completed.

4. Computer glitches last week true or untrue do not matter, can't pull trigger with out one and two.

5. As we know it the RV can legally happen without Erbil and Government but Shabs says it will never happen, love his people.

6. Yes Shabs needs these people if he wants a completed government or he needs there replacements to complete the government.

7. Yes intel is wrong.

Summary: You asked for opinions, this is the only logical conclusions I can come up will according to information we have. No slated RV's last week, No computer glitches, Need Erbil to RV, No HCl completed, Shabs has made up his mind, No RV until completion, Unfortunately our intel is wrong.

God Bless

Well said. Go rv!!!

by snowbird111 Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:41 pm

So the answer is right in front of my face? I seek enlightenment. The IMF and UN meetings held last week suggested Iraq move forward. Talabani stated Iraq is a sovereign country. We all know what is required for that to be a true statement. That says it all. So have we not seen the RV. Is Shabs trying to be a team player and wait for A, M and T to do what they were supposed to do so time ago? Is Shabs just waiting for the CBI reserves to hit 60 Billion (2 more Billion to go) sold through dinar sales as his bench mark, then the release of RV? Are the elite waiting for Euro to fail thereby sparking a sequence of events to cement there future and continue to keep us in economic slavery. Does the US federal reserve charter expiring in 2012 have an influence of whats to come and the RV a mechanism of change. We have been trying to put the pieces of this puzzle together regarding the immenient RV through the exchange of articles, discussions and free thought. We know we have a solid investment in this well thought out plan. The only thing we are trying to figure out at this time is our day of cash in. I this simply above my pay grade and understanding? This is a discussion board. I welcome comments of additional depth regarding this thread.

by Guest Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:01 pm

snowbird111 wrote:So the answer is right in front of my face? I seek enlightenment. The IMF and UN meetings held last week suggested Iraq move forward. Talabani stated Iraq is a sovereign country. We all know what is required for that to be a true statement. That says it all. So have we not seen the RV. Is Shabs trying to be a team player and wait for A, M and T to do what they were supposed to do so time ago? Is Shabs just waiting for the CBI reserves to hit 60 Billion (2 more Billion to go) sold through dinar sales as his bench mark, then the release of RV? Are the elite waiting for Euro to fail thereby sparking a sequence of events to cement there future and continue to keep us in economic slavery. Does the US federal reserve charter expiring in 2012 have an influence of whats to come and the RV a mechanism of change. We have been trying to put the pieces of this puzzle together regarding the immenient RV through the exchange of articles, discussions and free thought. We know we have a solid investment in this well thought out plan. The only thing we are trying to figure out at this time is our day of cash in. I this simply above my pay grade and understanding? This is a discussion board. I welcome comments of additional depth regarding this thread.

In my opinion, with Shabibi giving 30 days and meetings going on yesterday and today, Maliki is having a problem giving up his authority, hence, the Arbil agreement is not implemented, maybe that will happen today, until then, the UN will not lift that protion of the chapter 7 sanctions. I beleive this is why Shabibi gave them 30 days. I hope they get these things done before October 31st, 2011 when the next reading of the UN Iraq Standby Agreement is read next, which agreement contains the list of things they must have done in order to get complately out of the sanctions mentioned above. And, Its all way above our pay grade that's for sure. Its all rumor until the money is our hands. AJ

by SEBtopdog Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:15 pm

The thoughtful questions posted above are as interesting as any of the "answers" we've been given over the months. I haven't lost faith in the final outcome, and I hope we're all able to buoy each other up as we begin to slip off the life raft, so to speak.

It's hard for us as Americans to wait patiently for the Iraqis to get this done. Our culture proclaims "Just get 'er done!" while elsewhere in the world it is "All things in the proper time." Since we're not in control of their "proper time", we have to wait it out.

So, thank you to all you deep thinkers who keep bringing legitimate questions for contemplation. We can't change things, but this is a real education, isn't it?

by Guest Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:20 pm

snowbird111 wrote:So the answer is right in front of my face? I seek enlightenment. The IMF and UN meetings held last week suggested Iraq move forward. Talabani stated Iraq is a sovereign country. We all know what is required for that to be a true statement. That says it all. So have we not seen the RV. Is Shabs trying to be a team player and wait for A, M and T to do what they were supposed to do so time ago? Is Shabs just waiting for the CBI reserves to hit 60 Billion (2 more Billion to go) sold through dinar sales as his bench mark, then the release of RV? Are the elite waiting for Euro to fail thereby sparking a sequence of events to cement there future and continue to keep us in economic slavery. Does the US federal reserve charter expiring in 2012 have an influence of whats to come and the RV a mechanism of change. We have been trying to put the pieces of this puzzle together regarding the immenient RV through the exchange of articles, discussions and free thought. We know we have a solid investment in this well thought out plan. The only thing we are trying to figure out at this time is our day of cash in. I this simply above my pay grade and understanding? This is a discussion board. I welcome comments of additional depth regarding this thread.

Grest questions. I hope they do what they must do before oct 31st. Go rv!!!

by Guest Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:34 pm

SEBtopdog wrote:The thoughtful questions posted above are as interesting as any of the "answers" we've been given over the months. I haven't lost faith in the final outcome, and I hope we're all able to buoy each other up as we begin to slip off the life raft, so to speak.

It's hard for us as Americans to wait patiently for the Iraqis to get this done. Our culture proclaims "Just get 'er done!" while elsewhere in the world it is "All things in the proper time." Since we're not in control of their "proper time", we have to wait it out.

So, thank you to all you deep thinkers who keep bringing legitimate questions for contemplation. We can't change things, but this is a real education, isn't it?

Well said, its to bad we in America cannot get off the get'er done syndrome and get on the "All things in proper time", such as our government getting the budget done to the point where it brings down the national debt. If this RV goes past the end of the year, just maybe that will be the governments and the peoples wakeup call. Go RV?RI AJ

by DrRod Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:27 pm

snowbird111 wrote:Was looking for some feedback on my statement. Bump.

Hi, and thanks for your posting...

Much of what you said in your original posting makes sense to US Westerners... But I would just gently remind you and others (I'm not lecturing, just talking) that we are not dealing with people who think like we do...

They are still tribal in their thinking and much of what is agreed upon is made for a "show" of unity. Truthfully, none of them trust anybody. They each (parties, tribal affiliations, religious sects, political parties (again based on tribes and religion)) have very different agendas. They WILL NEVER TRUST the other person... The mere fact that there has been a three part sharing of power is a miracle of its own.

So while your comments make sense, and you are very logical and you have undoubtedly read and done some research, the normal rules of trust, procedures and common sense don't apply to most things in the Middle East.

And! if we think that we are going to be able to keep the peace and introduce those people to a "democratic" form of government... we are truly dreaming...

Take Care.

by Guest Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:20 pm

DrRod wrote:
snowbird111 wrote:Was looking for some feedback on my statement. Bump.

Hi, and thanks for your posting...

Much of what you said in your original posting makes sense to US Westerners... But I would just gently remind you and others (I'm not lecturing, just talking) that we are not dealing with people who think like we do...

They are still tribal in their thinking and much of what is agreed upon is made for a "show" of unity. Truthfully, none of them trust anybody. They each (parties, tribal affiliations, religious sects, political parties (again based on tribes and religion)) have very different agendas. They WILL NEVER TRUST the other person... The mere fact that there has been a three part sharing of power is a miracle of its own.

So while your comments make sense, and you are very logical and you have undoubtedly read and done some research, the normal rules of trust, procedures and common sense don't apply to most things in the Middle East.

And! if we think that we are going to be able to keep the peace and introduce those people to a "democratic" form of government... we are truly dreaming...

Take Care.

Get the RV?RI done and then they can get back to killing each other if they like.

by SEBtopdog Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:42 pm

AJAnderson wrote:

Get the RV?RI done and then they can get back to killing each other if they like.

Yikes, AJ. In a bad mood today? :pale: That was pretty harsh, don't ya think?

by **Peppermint Patti** Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:55 pm

Darling77 - It really is amazing... So much wasted space and people going on about something that ends up being nothing.. Full agreement... Guess they like to hear themselves more than we do!

by Jewelz Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:04 pm

dinarling77 wrote: It never ceases to amaze me how people on here say so little in so much space. I have to read the whole post to figure out nothing has been said!

HA HA HA you're just jealous because you can't ever write anything and that is why you always quote very long transcripts to re-post to say one word because you never have anything to say on your own so I make stuff up so you will have something else to re-post to keep you sheeple people sane in your uncertain process of being lost sheep - now go back to sleep -

Sleep

by dinarling77 Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:14 pm

Peppermint Patti wrote:Darling77 - It really is amazing... So much wasted space and people going on about something that ends up being nothing.. Full agreement... Guess they like to hear themselves more than we do!

Actually PP it was really just a payback jab for the jab that jewelz took at me for reposting a post by studley. It was in a "forbidden zone" (OOM Skuttlebutt), so I posted it in the Other Skuttlebutt topic. It was quite long, but I wanted readers to know what I was commenting on. Anyway, the thread was deleted by mods, I would guess because it was long and a duplicate to a read only topic and possibly because my comment had a positive reference to Adam Montana.

btw, I can usually tell after a couple of sentences whether I want to read any further on a long post.

by Guest Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:22 pm

SEBtopdog wrote:AJAnderson wrote:

Get the RV?RI done and then they can get back to killing each other if they like.

Yikes, AJ. In a bad mood today? :pale: That was pretty harsh, don't ya think?

Na, not in a bad mood, just stating the facts, those people have been killing each other for a thousand years, do you really think its going to change just because the Un and America went in there and forced a "demon"acracy on them?

by Jewelz Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:47 pm

AJAnderson - Get the RV?RI done and then they can get back to killing each other if they like.

You said a mouthful there AJ and this is exactly why there is no RV at the moment, because behind the scenes is frantic and things are changing rapidly at an ever accelerating pace in that regard to bring that separated mindset out of the ditch to a higher level of being on the whole planet - a major task and undertaking indeed -

The idea of killing is about to come to a conclusion in our history and the money is not going to roll out while it is allowed to be used to continue for the agenda of death, disease and destruction perpetrated from beings who use it for that purpose at the expense of people having to suffer and die while someone else is allowed to fill their bank account -

That is what everyone's mind is being softened up and prepared for and why the delay of the RV and what everyone is about to learn so they are no longer irresponsible, insensitive and careless from greed being reckless about the divine nature of a sacred human life, no matter who it is or where they live -

Millions of totally innocent people had to die in Iraq for absolutely no reason, in order for others to be able to run to the bank with a lottery ticket mentality, while the rest of world continues to suffer being done from very dark freaks holding everyone hostage in a prison inside of a prison, operating as an indentured slave using the idea of debt in order to survive, is not what this 2012 timeline is about -

by openmind Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:49 pm

openmind wrote:This part really ruffled my feathers. I was making the same point about the World Court back in July, when Okie said countries had sued the US for holding up the RV.

[twin1] okie what ever became of the world court why dont they do something

[..OKIE OIL MAN] TWIN--WORLD COURT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT----THIS IS NOT AN INTERNATIONAL MATTER OF LAW

by 1alaskan Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:06 pm

The force put upon the Middle east is not, and won't be liked by the folks there. They are are proud people, sometimes the pride runs to massive ego's , but never forget it is there with all the people.

There are a few folks like Dr. Shabibi who, I think, honestly wants the most for the people of Iraq, the rest I'm not so sure. Some,like Malkiki, you know where he stands, the others, maybe you do, maybe you don't.

I think Dr. Shabibi is sticking to what he has stated, and this is the holdup to the RV we are waiting on. But I do believe his intentions are not selfish, they are to make sure that Iraq does not fall back into what it was under Saddam. That the people of Iraq get something out of all of this.

So in short the RV will not happen till all of the things that are very close, but not done, are done and in place. A full Government, HCL, and the Erbill aggrement.

How close are we, a heck of a lot closer than 12 months ago, even 3 months ago, but still a ways to go. If Malkiki is ousted, how long will it take to reset this, maybe weeks, maybe months. They may have someone waiting in the wings, they may think they do. With the way the folks over there agree, then don't agree, who knows?

So lets all sit back, relax, have a cold one, or maybe a warm one since fall is here. and watch the big show roll by.

by skyegale Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:10 pm

SEBtopdog wrote:The thoughtful questions posted above are as interesting as any of the "answers" we've been given over the months. I haven't lost faith in the final outcome, and I hope we're all able to buoy each other up as we begin to slip off the life raft, so to speak.

It's hard for us as Americans to wait patiently for the Iraqis to get this done. Our culture proclaims "Just get 'er done!" while elsewhere in the world it is "All things in the proper time." Since we're not in control of their "proper time", we have to wait it out.

So, thank you to all you deep thinkers who keep bringing legitimate questions for contemplation. We can't change things, but this is a real education, isn't it?

I like that topdog Wink

by SEBtopdog Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:10 pm

AJAnderson wrote:
SEBtopdog wrote:AJAnderson wrote:

Get the RV?RI done and then they can get back to killing each other if they like.

Yikes, AJ. In a bad mood today? :pale: That was pretty harsh, don't ya think?

Na, not in a bad mood, just stating the facts, those people have been killing each other for a thousand years, do you really think its going to change just because the Un and America went in there and forced a "demon"acracy on them?

No, you have a point there. Sorry I jumped on that remark of yours. I mistook it for not really giving a darn, but I see now you meant it as a pragmatic comment on the realities of the middle east. I keep hoping, though, that if one person's life will change, that person will have an effect on another's life, and so on.
anyway, sorry if I offended you.....

by Guest Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:19 pm

SEBtopdog wrote:
AJAnderson wrote:
SEBtopdog wrote:AJAnderson wrote:

Get the RV?RI done and then they can get back to killing each other if they like.

Yikes, AJ. In a bad mood today? :pale: That was pretty harsh, don't ya think?

Na, not in a bad mood, just stating the facts, those people have been killing each other for a thousand years, do you really think its going to change just because the Un and America went in there and forced a "demon"acracy on them?

No, you have a point there. Sorry I jumped on that remark of yours. I mistook it for not really giving a darn, but I see now you meant it as a pragmatic comment on the realities of the middle east. I keep hoping, though, that if one person's life will change, that person will have an effect on another's life, and so on.
anyway, sorry if I offended you.....

I really hope your right, but if the globalist get there way, it will not stop, until God shows up and takes all the armys of the world out with one stroke of the sword.

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