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Herman Cain wins Florida Republican straw poll

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ORLANDO, Fla., Sept 24 | Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:51pm EDT

ORLANDO, Fla., Sept 24 (Reuters) - Republican U.S. presidential candidate Herman Cain won an upset victory in the nonbinding straw poll sponsored by the Republican Party of Florida on Saturday, beating out seven other candidates including front-runner Rick Perry.

The straw poll has been considered an important test of strength in a state crucial to victory in the November 2012 U.S. presidential election.

(Reporting by Jane Sutton, editing by Will Dunham)

I'll take Herman Cain any day instead of Obama.

Matter of Fact - I'll take just about anybody except Obama!!!

Herman Cain has business experience and is very smart.

stevejss1 wrote:Florida straw poll, powerful indicator, Hermans on the move...

Herman Cain wins Florida Republican straw poll

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ORLANDO, Fla., Sept 24 | Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:51pm EDT

ORLANDO, Fla., Sept 24 (Reuters) - Republican U.S. presidential candidate Herman Cain won an upset victory in the nonbinding straw poll sponsored by the Republican Party of Florida on Saturday, beating out seven other candidates including front-runner Rick Perry.

The straw poll has been considered an important test of strength in a state crucial to victory in the November 2012 U.S. presidential election.

(Reporting by Jane Sutton, editing by Will Dunham)

And here's why you would be wrong....this was all a set up by FIX NEWS which you fell for evidently....hide and watch....when Paul wins they say the polls mean nothing....the below comments come from a Delegate who voted at the Florida Straw Poll….you will see what I mean or maybe not if you are an ESTABLISHMENT TROLL here to misinform everyone...….this straw poll means very little as far as the Good Doctor is concerned..….the RINO’s fear Paul….they will let anyone but Dr. Paul appear to be in the lead….now that Perry and Romney have been exposed as Bilderbergers and they realize that Americans aren’t falling for their media lies they are now propping up Cain……moving Cain in the lead…..UNTIL…..are you ready…..they can convince Chris Christie that he needs to run to save the ESTABLISHMENT…….IF YOU CARE ABOUT THIS COUNTRY YOU WILL GO OUT IN DROVES AND GET THE GOOD DOCTOR ELECTED….HE IS THE ONLY CHOICE WE HAVE!!!! read this from someone who was there….this also explains why FIX NEWS had announced the results on TV 5 minutes or so before they were announced there in the auditorium…..this was all a set up for sure and remember FIX NEWS was also in charge of the debate…..I was watching both the Tube and the live streaming so I know that it was a set up......

Submitted by KurtA on Sat, 09/24/2011 – 15:06….

I was a Delegate at P5, and was appalled at the way the “straw poll” was conducted.

First of all, voting was publicized as taking place between 4:30 and 6:00 pm.

But the voting started CLOSING before 4pm!! That’s right, some people were told before 4pm that it was too late for them to vote in a poll that wasn’t supposed to open until 4:30pm.

I had to chase down the county chairman and plead my case (Hey! I’m here a half hour before the poll is supposed to open and I’m too late to vote!!!???)

So they gave me a ballot. Picture guys walking around with envelopes full of ballots, handing them out, having people mark them, and then just hand them back to be stuffed back into the envelope. Picture dozens of guys doing this all over the auditorium full of people. Picture them not asking what country they’re from, asking for delegate credentials, just handing out ballots to anyone who asks.

It raised a few questions:

1) Was there ANY control over the ballots at all? Did anyone count the number of ballots issued per county and match it to the number of delegates? I recognized that I could have voted a dozen times or more just by going to different envelope holders.

2) If there was no ballot control, isn’t it a little like the Fed printing money?

3) If there WAS some sort of control, (like only one ballot issued per delegate) what happened to all the unmarked ballots (from the people who expected to vote after 4:30)? Did someone just mark them with their choice of candidate (stuffing the ballot box)? Throw them out? What?

4) After marking the ballot, you placed the ballot back into the envelope. and the same guy who handed you the ballot, walked off with it. To do what? To throw away the ballots he didn’t want counted?? To stuff more ballots in? to mark up the excess ballots?

5) Who counted the ballots? As Stalin said (paraphrased), “Who cares how people vote – if you control who counts the votes!!?

The entire process was slap-dash, slip-shod, sloppy – a joke!

Of course, there’s no point in identifying failure if there’s not a better way to do things.

So how about this?

ISSUE BALLOTS WITH THE DELEGATE CREDENTIALS. That way, the ballot is in the hands of the delegate from the start and ballots are issued 1 per delegate. No opportunity to vote multiple times. No extra ballots issued. Just one ballot per voter.

Have the delegates mark the ballot and put them into the voting machines just as they do when voting in an election. No middle man. No extraneous handling. No B.S.

Now you could still have electronic fraud in the voting machine – but these recommendations certainly tighten up the process and eliminate a dozen ways to affect the outcome.

Frankly, I was embarrassed and angered. Embarrassed, because if this is the best the Florida Republican Party can come up with, we’re better off without it. Angered because I felt the entire straw vote process was undermined and diminished by one of the sloppiest voting processes I’ve ever seen.

$170 for this BS? I want my money back!

HealthScans wrote:I'll take Herman Cain any day instead of Obama.

Matter of Fact - I'll take just about anybody except Obama!!!

Herman Cain has business experience and is very smart.

Cain is a nice man but does not have the guts to do what it takes to out the establishment and take down the system.....do you even know that he still supports the Federal Reserve System that is taking down our country and the world.....the FED Reserve is run by the NWO and Cain likes the system....wake up sheeple.....we can NOT VOTE in another NEO CON RINO.....Dr. Paul is our only choice....please don't vote if you don't research who is behind these people!!

Also you Cain lovers....do you even understand his 9-9-9 plan....Dr. Paul wants a 0-0-0 plan.....here's what Cain wants to do in addition to the income tax....

...Cain's "9-9-9 Plan" proposes a NATIONAL SALES TAX ON TOP OF the personal INCOME TAX!!!

No surprise from a former Federal Reserve official.

The FED may get behind Cain now that he has proposed this NEW TAX on Americans.

Don't get me wrong - I'm all for a national sales tax TO REPLACE THE PERSONAL INCOME TAX...not in ADDITION TO what we have now.

This alone makes Herman Cain the WORST candidate running as a republican. Santorum is next and Romney is 3rd worst.



...The FOX-style media will MAKE HAY with this and say "SEE - we republicans really aren't RACIST afterall. We chose a BLACK man."

But I don't care less about color....we have adopted black children in my family and I am white...... Cain is just flat WRONG on trying to say he's a conservative - YET proposes a new NATIONAL SALES TAX.

Be Happy because Paul got 10 % at this set up RINO STRAW POLL...it means very little indeed.....look how they went on and on setting up Michelle Bachmann after Iowa.....now her true numbers are showing up everywhere else....she is NOT going to be around long......SLOW AND STEADY WINS THE RACE AND DR. PAUL IS THE BEST AT SLOW AND STEADY!

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I agree! Ron Paul is the right man for our country. The elite definitely do not want him. He would do a lot of house cleaning...kind of reminds me of what YESHUA did when He cleansed the Temple of thieves. The doctor is in the business of defeating the NWO's system and their so called 'temple of doom'.

Richymt wrote:I agree! Ron Paul is the right man for our country. The elite definitely do not want him. He would do a lot of house cleaning...kind of reminds me of what YESHUA did when He cleansed the Temple of thieves. The doctor is in the business of defeating the NWO's system and their so called 'temple of doom'.

Thank you Rich....glad you are awake....please help to wake up others....our freedoms and our children's future are what's at stake.....GBU!

shakes dig a little deeper income tax will be repealed as first step,then 9 9 9, then fair tax,after repeal of 9 9 9 no brag just facts. fair tax is the answer,read linder and boortz book and you will understand the facts instead of hype.

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shakes4life

No need to get nasty shakes and no I for one don't need to advertise shakes on here either, your cracking me up The problem is the compete disconnect you have with reality and public relations, yes public relations. Paul's thoughts and beliefs may be right and I believe alot of what he stands for " Not all for sure". Paul and his supporters do NOT know how to get a popular vote and if you can't do that he can't ever get any further than he is now. Many of you spew the same rehearsed lines. Your attitude is a perfect example of another reason he is not electable, most of the Paul supporters on this site are pizzed off and post in an angry manner concerning Paul and it shows BIG TIME. It's like Neal B. says Paul's biggest enemies are his supporters BECAUSE the tick people like me off which in turn turns me off on Paul, see how that works. look at almost all articles including the posts on here and you will understand what I am saying. By the way I understand all about the IRS, CIA, the FED etc and have for years and agree with him on all of that. Unfortunately Paul can't answer a simple question without going off the deep end with these issues almost every time. He is UNELECTABLE and you will all see that. There is Right-Wrong and Electable and the first two unfortunately come last. Not right but true. The average "voters' do not understand any of this, sad but true, most are completely ignorant. Unfortunately we must take baby steps and job one is to win in 2012 what ever that takes that is job #1 if you don't understand that I am sorry. By the way Herman will clean Paul's clock, not sure how far Herman will make it but he will== he will== way surpass Paul.

polecat wrote:shakes dig a little deeper income tax will be repealed as first step,then 9 9 9, then fair tax,after repeal of 9 9 9 no brag just facts. fair tax is the answer,read linder and boortz book and you will understand the facts instead of hype.

I have dug plenty deep and know that to get back on the right track HERMAN CAIN is not the answer!!!

We do have another choice for the candidacy and that choice is Herman Cain.

Do YOU understand his 9-9-9 plan clearly you don't.

He will not only put America to work but he will not comprimise our national security.

He knows and understands business and prosperity and how to grow those into reality.

Get to kmow Herman Cain you will be glad you did.

Before I made my decision I studied them all.

Have you?

stevejss1 wrote:Author Message
shakes4life

No need to get nasty shakes and no I for one don't need to advertise shakes on here either, your cracking me up The problem is the compete disconnect you have with reality and public relations, yes public relations. Paul's thoughts and beliefs may be right and I believe alot of what he stands for " Not all for sure". Paul and his supporters do NOT know how to get a popular vote and if you can't do that he can't ever get any further than he is now. Many of you spew the same rehearsed lines. Your attitude is a perfect example of another reason he is not electable, most of the Paul supporters on this site are pizzed off and post in an angry manner concerning Paul and it shows BIG TIME. It's like Neal B. says Paul's biggest enemies are his supporters BECAUSE the tick people like me off which in turn turns me off on Paul, see how that works. look at almost all articles including the posts on here and you will understand what I am saying. By the way I understand all about the IRS, CIA, the FED etc and have for years and agree with him on all of that. Unfortunately Paul can't answer a simple question without going off the deep end with these issues almost every time. He is UNELECTABLE and you will all see that. There is Right-Wrong and Electable and the first two unfortunately come last. Not right but true. The average "voters' do not understand any of this, sad but true, most are completely ignorant. Unfortunately we must take baby steps and job one is to win in 2012 what ever that takes that is job #1 if you don't understand that I am sorry. By the way Herman will clean Paul's clock, not sure how far Herman will make it but he will== he will== way surpass Paul.

We'll see.....CAIN has NO grassroots.....all he has right now is FIX NEWS propping him up until they decide to promote someone else.....Ron Paul has the Democrat votes who are dissatisfied with BO....the Independent vote....the Tea Party vote who know what is at stake.....the Libertarian vote...the Constitutionalist vote and the Repbulican vote if they aren't a RINO or a NEO CON....all the Florida Poll says is that the RINO NEO CONS were in charge of it.....Dr. Paul will most likely take this in stride and keep on trucking.....he knows he has a NATION to save!

I have no idea what is the truth but here is a video that shows Cain speaking with a fork tongue. Not sure what to think??[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E76DmaNaDXM&feature=related[/youtube]

When are people going to realize that its the FED with their never ending derivatives and interest on loans that caused the housing bubble and corporate bailouts with tax payer money...Herman Cain supports the FED... doesn't think they need to be audited...Some of you need to dig deeper and really research all of the candidates

moosetracks wrote:We do have another choice for the candidacy and that choice is Herman Cain.

Do YOU understand his 9-9-9 plan clearly you don't.

He will not only put America to work but he will not comprimise our national security.

He knows and understands business and prosperity and how to grow those into reality.

Get to kmow Herman Cain you will be glad you did.

Before I made my decision I studied them all.

Have you?

You couldn't be MORE wrong.....Your comments above prove you studied NOThing....NO substance...just more cheerleading....if you want an eduction on the FEDERAL reserve system I wouldn't listen to CAIN....he worked for them in KC and still endorses them.....IGNORANCE in this case is NOT BLISS...best you actually do some homework and NOT just use rhetoric LIKE the CAIN MAN who didn't even know what RIGHT OF RETURN meant when questioned by Chris Wallace.....LOL....Cain is clueless....just like Bachmann.......Cheerleading against BO does NOT qualify one for the most important job in our land!!!

kirkl wrote:When are people going to realize that its the FED with their never ending derivatives and interest on loans that caused the housing bubble and corporate bailouts with tax payer money...Herman Cain supports the FED... doesn't think they need to be audited...Some of you need to dig deeper and really research all of the candidates

Good question....looks like the sheeple are still asleep!

stevejss1 wrote:Author Message
shakes4life

No need to get nasty shakes and no I for one don't need to advertise shakes on here either, your cracking me up The problem is the compete disconnect you have with reality and public relations, yes public relations. Paul's thoughts and beliefs may be right and I believe alot of what he stands for " Not all for sure". Paul and his supporters do NOT know how to get a popular vote and if you can't do that he can't ever get any further than he is now. Many of you spew the same rehearsed lines. Your attitude is a perfect example of another reason he is not electable, most of the Paul supporters on this site are pizzed off and post in an angry manner concerning Paul and it shows BIG TIME. It's like Neal B. says Paul's biggest enemies are his supporters BECAUSE the tick people like me off which in turn turns me off on Paul, see how that works. look at almost all articles including the posts on here and you will understand what I am saying. By the way I understand all about the IRS, CIA, the FED etc and have for years and agree with him on all of that. Unfortunately Paul can't answer a simple question without going off the deep end with these issues almost every time. He is UNELECTABLE and you will all see that. There is Right-Wrong and Electable and the first two unfortunately come last. Not right but true. The average "voters' do not understand any of this, sad but true, most are completely ignorant. Unfortunately we must take baby steps and job one is to win in 2012 what ever that takes that is job #1 if you don't understand that I am sorry. By the way Herman will clean Paul's clock, not sure how far Herman will make it but he will== he will== way surpass Paul.

Just because someone dosen't agree with you dosen't mean they are getting nasty with you...learn how to take constructive criticism..most of you attack first with meaningless rage...of course someone will attack back

shakes you havent looked at all by your statements about cain. first he has stated that income tax amendments will be repealed first so your statement that we will pay 999 on top of income tax is incorrect.his position on frb in kansas city was as monitor,not a policy maker.you say we have no choice but ron paul we do. i like ron paul and believe he would make a great president he loves our nation and knows and honors the constitution,and would no doubt uphold it.if he is the nominee i will support him,but it does not make sense to state as fact things about cain when they are baseless. like moosetracks said if you would get to know cain you would like him and see he is a good man and will support the constitution. speak no ill of a fellow patriot

polecat wrote:shakes dig a little deeper income tax will be repealed as first step,then 9 9 9, then fair tax,after repeal of 9 9 9 no brag just facts. fair tax is the answer,read linder and boortz book and you will understand the facts instead of hype.

I don't think anyone has been listening to Paul...he wants to abolish income tax...you are right fair tax is the answer...another thing Paul supports

polecat wrote:shakes you havent looked at all by your statements about cain. first he has stated that income tax amendments will be repealed first so your statement that we will pay 999 on top of income tax is incorrect.his position on frb in kansas city was as monitor,not a policy maker.you say we have no choice but ron paul we do. i like ron paul and believe he would make a great president he loves our nation and knows and honors the constitution,and would no doubt uphold it.if he is the nominee i will support him,but it does not make sense to state as fact things about cain when they are baseless. like moosetracks said if you would get to know cain you would like him and see he is a good man and will support the constitution. speak no ill of a fellow patriot

When I post something it is based on facts....go look it up....Cain is still calling for an income tax of 9%...Dr. Paul wants to do away with the IRS once the Federal Reserve system is taken down.....0% income tax sounds much better to me and NO ONE knows where Cain got his numbers from....he wouldn't even tell Chris Wallace in his interview how he came up with those numbers......reason why....he couldn't because someone else devised the plan for him.....WHO is the big question!

Just a question for ALL sides. WHEN HAS ANYONE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT EVER DONE WHAT THEY SAY. THEY ARE OWNED...... PEOPLE.....THEY LIE CHEAT AND STEAL AND YOU MORONS WANT TO ARGUE WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH. THEY ALL WORK FOR THE VATICAN AND ALL SUCCESSFUL US POLITICIANS ARE ON THE VATICAN PAYROLL AND THEY ALL HAVE ACCOUNTS IN THE VATICAN BANK. THE US IS A CORPORATION AND WE ARE THEIR SLAVES. HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE TO TELL YOU THIS BEFORE YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. MY GOD......READ THE INFORMATION THAT IS AVAILABLE WILL YOU. YOUR NAME IS NOT IN CAPITAL LETTERS ON YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE FOR NO REASON. WAKE THE ==== UP. HOW SLOW ARE YOU? AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Why is your name in CAPITAL LETTERS on your BIRTH CERTIFICATE......

Cain's 999 plan is a catchy phrase but short on substance.....here is the good doctors



Ron Pauls Plan to Fix The Economy
Introduction

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/Prosperity

America became the greatest, most prosperous nation in human history through low taxes, limited government, personal freedom and a belief in sound money. We need to return to these principles so our economy can thrive again. When enacted, my plan will provide both short-term stimulus and lay the groundwork for long-term prosperity.

Other candidates talk a lot about stimulus packages, but my record stands alone. I have fought for these measures for years as a member of Congress and will make them a top priority as president.

Ron Paul, a 10-term Republican congressman from Texas’s 14th District, is currently the ranking member of the House Financial Services Committee’s Subcommittee on Domestic and International Monetary Policy, Trade, and Technology. He has been named “Taxpayers’ Best Friend” for 10 consecutive years by the National Taxpayers’ Union. Ron Paul is also the author of several books on monetary policy and economics.

The Four-Point Plan

1. Tax Reform: Reduce the tax burden and eliminate taxes that punish investment and savings, including job-killing corporate taxes.
2. Spending Reform: Eliminate wasteful spending. Reduce overseas commitments. Freeze all non-defense, non-entitlement spending at current levels.
3. Monetary Policy Reform: Expand openness with the Federal Reserve and require the Fed to televise its meetings. Return value to our money.
4. Regulatory Reform: Repeal Sarbanes/Oxley regulations that push companies to seek capital outside of US markets. Stop restricting community banks from fostering local economic growth.

1. Tax Reform

* Eliminate Taxes on Dividends and Savings. The basis of capitalism is savings, and Americans who do so should be rewarded.
o Pass HJ Res. 23 to encourage savings over consumption.
* Repeal the Death Tax. Attacking small businesses and breaking up family farms smothers growth and kills jobs.
o Pass H.R. 2734 to make the Bush tax cuts permanent.
* Cut Taxes for Working Seniors. Grandmothers and grandfathers working to make ends meet should keep all the fruits of their labor.
o Pass H.R. 191 to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to repeal the inclusion in gross income of Social Security benefits.
* Eliminate Taxes on Social Security Benefits. That money belongs to seniors, not the government. They paid into the system for a lifetime, and they should be free to spend every penny as they see fit.
o Pass H.R. 192 to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to repeal the 1993 increase in taxes on Social Security benefits.
* Accelerate Depreciation on Investment. We need to help companies grow and create jobs.
o Pass H.R. 4995 and amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to reduce corporate marginal income tax rates.
* Eliminate Taxes on Capital Gains. Investment should be embraced and rewarded.
o Pass H.J. Res 23 (The “Liberty Amendment”), proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relative to abolishing personal income, estate, and gift taxes and prohibiting the United States Government from engaging in business in competition with its citizens.
* Eliminate Taxes on Tips.The single parents and working students who earn their income chiefly through tips deserve to keep all of their money. This tax on “estimated income” is unfair and should be ended.
o Pass H.R. 3664 to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide that tips shall not be subject to income or employment taxes.
* Support Mortgage Cancelation Relief Act. Working families who lost their homes should not be punished a second time with a big IRS bill.
o Pass H.R. 1876 to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to exclude from gross income of individual taxpayers discharges of indebtedness attributable to certain forgiven residential mortgage obligations.

2. Spending Reform

* Reduce Overseas Military Commitments. Our bases and troops should be on our soil.
o It’s time to stop subsidizing our trading partners in Europe, Japan and South Korea.
* Freeze Non-Defense, Non-Entitlement Spending at Current Levels
o I vote against all bloated, pork laden spending bills and will veto them as president.

3. Monetary Policy Reform

* Televise Federal Open Market Committee Meetings. An institution as powerful as the Federal Reserve deserves full public scrutiny.
* Expand Transparency and Accountability at the Federal Reserve
o Pass H.R. 2754 to require the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System to continue to make available to the public on a weekly basis information on the measure of the M3 monetary aggregate and its components.

* Return Value to Our Money. Legalize gold and silver as a competing currency.
o Level the long-term boom and bust business cycle by passing H.R. 4683, which would repeal provisions of the federal criminal code relating to issuance coins of gold, silver, or other metal for use as current money and making or possessing likenesses of such coins.

4. Regulatory Reform

* Repeal Sarbanes/Oxley. It has seriously wounded our capital markets and helped make the UK the financial center at our expense.
o Ending these misguided regulations would bring jobs flooding back to the United States
o Pass H.R. 1049 to reform Sarbanes-Oxley and reduce the burden it places on small businesses.

* Repeal or Remove Costly and Unnecessary Federal Regulations. Neighbors know best how to help their neighbors.
o We need to make it easier for community banks, credit unions, and other financial institutions to better serve their communities and to help people in these communities get access to credit and capital.
o Pass H.R. 1869 to enhance the ability of community banks to foster economic growth and serve their communities, boost small businesses, increase individual savings, and for other purposes.

Also....where was the media and all you RP haters when he won last week in CA....didn't hear any MEDIA WHORES tooting Ron Paul's horn for owning that straw poll....NOT to mention all the second place finishes he has had when the vote was open to the public....you surely can't believe Cain is even remotely in this race with a set up win like the one in Florida.....ONE straw poll win does not a candidate make....






The California Republican Party’s 2011 Straw Poll was held today between 9:00AM – 5:00PM, where CRP members, associate members, and registered guests were allowed to choose their favorite from among the 11 official Republican presidential candidates.

A full breakdown of the results is copied below. A total of 833 ballots were cast during the 2011 Straw Poll which included a write-in opportunity for the first time.
2011 Straw Poll Full Results (Votes, %)

1. Ron Paul (374, 44.9%)
2. Rick Perry (244, 29.3%)
3. Mitt Romney (74, 8.8%)
4. Michele Bachmann (64, 7.7%)
5. Jon Huntsman (17, 2.0%)
6. Herman Cain (15, 1.8%)
7. Newt Gingrich (14, 1.7%)
8. Thad McCotter (7, 0.8%)
9. Rick Santorum (7, 0.8%)
10. Gary Johnson (2, 0.2%)
11. Fred Karger (1, 0.1%)
12. Write-ins (15, 1.8%)

Shakes....You believe in the system. Well let me tell you, THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN........It would take a messenger from GOD to fix it....Perhaps....RPaul....is....that messenger.....

Wonderful plan....how anyone can NOT support this man is beyond weird.....every time I hear him speak or read one of his books or articles I am completely blown away that we have a chance to elect this person as PRESIDENT of the USA....MY country!


My Plan for a Freedom President
How I would put the Constitution back in the Oval Office

by Ron Paul

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Since my 2008 campaign for the presidency I have often been asked, “How would a constitutionalist president go about dismantling the welfare-warfare state and restoring a constitutional republic?” This is a very important question, because without a clear road map and set of priorities, such a president runs the risk of having his pro-freedom agenda stymied by the various vested interests that benefit from big government.

Of course, just as the welfare-warfare state was not constructed in 100 days, it could not be dismantled in the first 100 days of any presidency. While our goal is to reduce the size of the state as quickly as possible, we should always make sure our immediate proposals minimize social disruption and human suffering. Thus, we should not seek to abolish the social safety net overnight because that would harm those who have grown dependent on government-provided welfare. Instead, we would want to give individuals who have come to rely on the state time to prepare for the day when responsibility for providing aide is returned to those organizations best able to administer compassionate and effective help — churches and private charities.

Now, this need for a transition period does not apply to all types of welfare. For example, I would have no problem defunding corporate welfare programs, such as the Export-Import Bank or the TARP bank bailouts, right away. I find it difficult to muster much sympathy for the CEO's of Lockheed Martin and Goldman Sachs.

No matter what the president wants to do, most major changes in government programs would require legislation to be passed by Congress. Obviously, the election of a constitutionalist president would signal that our ideas had been accepted by a majority of the American public and would probably lead to the election of several pro-freedom congressmen and senators. Furthermore, some senators and representatives would become “born again” constitutionalists out of a sense of self-preservation. Yet there would still be a fair number of politicians who would try to obstruct our freedom agenda. Thus, even if a president wanted to eliminate every unconstitutional program in one fell swoop, he would be very unlikely to obtain the necessary support in Congress.

Yet a pro-freedom president and his legislative allies could make tremendous progress simply by changing the terms of the negotiations that go on in Washington regarding the size and scope of government. Today, negotiations over legislation tend to occur between those who want a 100 percent increase in federal spending and those who want a 50 percent increase. Their compromise is a 75 percent increase. With a president serious about following the Constitution, backed by a substantial block of sympathetic representatives in Congress, negotiations on outlays would be between those who want to keep funding the government programs and those who want to eliminate them outright — thus a compromise would be a 50 percent decrease in spending!

While a president who strictly adheres to the Constitution would need the consent of Congress for very large changes in the size of government, such as shutting down cabinet departments, he could use his constitutional authority as head of the executive branch and as commander in chief to take several significant steps toward liberty on his own. The area where the modern chief executive has greatest ability to act unilaterally is in foreign affairs. Unfortunately, Congress has abdicated its constitutional authority to declare wars, instead passing vague “authorization of force” bills that allow the president to send any number of troops to almost any part of the world. The legislature does not even effectively use its power of the purse to rein in the executive. Instead, Congress serves as little more than a rubber stamp for the president's requests.

If the president has the power to order U.S. forces into combat on nothing more than his own say-so, then it stands to reason he can order troops home. Therefore, on the first day in office, a constitutionalist can begin the orderly withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq and Afghanistan. He can also begin withdrawing troops from other areas of the world. The United States has over 300,000 troops stationed in more than 146 countries. Most if not all of these deployments bear little or no relationship to preserving the safety of the American people. For example, over 20 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, the U.S. still maintains troops in Germany.

Domestically, the president can use his authority to set policies and procedures for the federal bureaucracy to restore respect for the Constitution and individual liberty. For example, today manufacturers of dietary supplements are subject to prosecution by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) or Federal Trade Commission (FTC) if they make even truthful statements about the health benefits of their products without going through the costly and time-consuming procedures required to gain government approval for their claims. A president can put an end to this simply by ordering the FDA and FTC not to pursue these types of cases unless they have clear evidence that the manufacturer's clams are not true. Similarly, the president could order the bureaucracy to stop prosecuting consumers who wish to sell raw milk across state lines.

A crucial policy that a president could enact to bring speedy improvements to government is ordering the bureaucracy to respect the 10th Amendment and refrain from undermining state laws. We have already seen a little renewed federalism with the current administration's policy of not prosecuting marijuana users when their use of the drug is consistent with state medical-marijuana laws. A constitutionalist administration would also defer to state laws refusing compliance with the REAL ID act and denying federal authority over interstate gun transactions. None of these actions repeals a federal law; they all simply recognize a state's primary authority, as protected by the 10th amendment, to set policy in these areas.

In fact, none of the measures I have discussed so far involves repealing any written law. They can be accomplished simply by a president exercising his legitimate authority to set priorities for the executive branch. And another important step he can take toward restoring the balance of powers the Founders intended is repealing unconstitutional executive orders issued by his predecessors.

Executive orders are a useful management tool for the president, who must exercise control over the enormous federal bureaucracy. However, in recent years executive orders have been used by presidents to create new federal laws without the consent of Congress. As President Clinton's adviser Paul Begala infamously said, “stroke of the pen, law of the land, pretty cool.” No, it is not “pretty cool,” and a conscientious president could go a long way toward getting us back to the Constitution's division of powers by ordering his counsel or attorney general to comb through recent executive orders so the president can annul those that exceed the authority of his office. If the President believed a particular Executive Order made a valid change in the law, then he should work with Congress to pass legislation making that change.

Only Congress can directly abolish government departments, but the president could use his managerial powers to shrink the federal bureaucracy by refusing to fill vacancies created by retirements or resignations. This would dramatically reduce the number of federal officials wasting our money and taking our liberties. One test to determine if a vacant job needs to be filled is the “essential employees test.” Whenever D.C. has a severe snowstorm, the federal government orders all “non-essential” federal personal to stay home. If someone is classified as non-essential for snow-day purposes, the country can probably survive if that position is not filled when the jobholder quits or retires. A constitutionalist president should make every day in D.C. like a snow day!

A president could also enhance the liberties and security of the American people by ordering federal agencies to stop snooping on citizens when there is no evidence that those who are being spied on have committed a crime. Instead, the president should order agencies to refocus on the legitimate responsibilities of the federal government, such as border security. He should also order the Transportation Security Administration to stop strip-searching grandmothers and putting toddlers on the no-fly list. The way to keep Americans safe is to focus on real threats and ensure that someone whose own father warns U.S. officials he's a potential terrorist is not allowed to board a Christmas Eve flight to Detroit with a one-way ticket.

Perhaps the most efficient step a president could take to enhance travel security is to remove the federal roadblocks that have frustrated attempts to arm pilots. Congress created provisions to do just that in response to the attacks of September 11, 2001. However, the processes for getting a federal firearms license are extremely cumbersome, and as a result very few pilots have gotten their licenses. A constitutionalist in the Oval Office would want to revise those regulations to make it as easy as possible for pilots to get approval to carry firearms on their planes.

While the president can do a great deal on his own, to really restore the Constitution and cut back on the vast unconstitutional programs that have sunk roots in Washington over 60 years, he will have to work with Congress. The first step in enacting a pro-freedom legislative agenda is the submission of a budget that outlines the priorities of the administration. While it has no legal effect, the budget serves as a guideline for the congressional appropriations process. A constitutionalist president's budget should do the following:

1. Reduce overall federal spending
2. Prioritize cuts in oversize expenditures, especially the military
3. Prioritize cuts in corporate welfare
4. Use 50 percent of the savings from cuts in overseas spending to shore up entitlement programs for those who are dependent on them and the other 50 percent to pay down the debt
5. Provide for reduction in federal bureaucracy and lay out a plan to return responsibility for education to the states
6. Begin transitioning entitlement programs from a system where all Americans are forced to participate into one where taxpayers can opt out of the programs and make their own provisions for retirement and medical care

If Congress failed to produce a budget that was balanced and moved the country in a pro-liberty direction, a constitutionalist president should veto the bill. Of course, vetoing the budget risks a government shutdown. But a serious constitutionalist cannot be deterred by cries of “it's irresponsible to shut down the government!” Instead, he should simply say, “I offered a reasonable compromise, which was to gradually reduce spending, and Congress rejected it, instead choosing the extreme path of continuing to jeopardize America's freedom and prosperity by refusing to tame the welfare-warfare state. I am the moderate; those who believe that America can afford this bloated government are the extremists.”

Unconstitutional government spending, after all, is doubly an evil: it not only means picking the taxpayer's pocket, it also means subverting the system of limited and divided government that the Founders created. Just look at how federal spending has corrupted American education.

Eliminating federal involvement in K—12 education should be among a constitutionalist president's top domestic priorities. The Constitution makes no provision for federal meddling in education. It is hard to think of a function less suited to a centralized, bureaucratic approach than education. The very idea that a group of legislators and bureaucrats in D.C. can design a curriculum capable of meeting the needs of every American schoolchild is ludicrous. The deteriorating performance of our schools as federal control over the classroom has grown shows the folly of giving Washington more power over American education. President Bush's No Child Left Behind law claimed it would fix education by making public schools “accountable.” However, supporters of the law failed to realize that making schools more accountable to federal agencies, instead of to parents, was just perpetuating the problem.

In the years since No Child Left Behind was passed, I don't think I have talked to any parent or teacher who is happy with the law. Therefore, a constitutionalist president looking for ways to improve the lives of children should demand that Congress cut the federal education bureaucracy as a down payment on eventually returning 100 percent of the education dollar to parents.

Traditionally, the battle to reduce the federal role in education has been the toughest one faced by limited-government advocates, as supporters of centralized education have managed to paint constitutionalists as “anti-education.” But who is really anti-education? Those who wish to continue to waste taxpayer money on failed national schemes, or those who want to restore control over education to the local level? When the debate is framed this way, I have no doubt the side of liberty will win. When you think about it, the argument that the federal government needs to control education is incredibly insulting to the American people, for it implies that the people are too stupid or uncaring to educate their children properly. Contrary to those who believe that only the federal government can ensure children's education, I predict a renaissance in education when parents are put back in charge.

The classroom is not the only place the federal government does not belong. We also need to reverse the nationalization of local police. Federal grants have encouraged the militarization of law enforcement, which has led to great damage to civil liberties. Like education, law enforcement is inherently a local function, and ending programs such as the Byrne Grants is essential not just to reducing federal spending but also to restoring Americans' rights.

Obviously, a president concerned with restoring constitutional government and fiscal responsibility would need to address the unstable entitlement situation, possibly the one area of government activity even more difficult to address than education. Yet it is simply unfair to continue to force young people to participate in a compulsory retirement program when they could do a much better job of preparing for their own retirements. What is more, the government cannot afford the long-term expenses of entitlements, even if we were to reduce all other unconstitutional foreign and domestic programs.

As I mentioned in the introduction to this article, it would be wrong simply to cut these programs and throw those who are dependent on them “into the streets.” After all, the current recipients of these programs have come to rely on them, and many are in a situation where they cannot provide for themselves without government assistance. The thought of people losing the ability to obtain necessities for them because they were misled into depending on a government safety net that has been yanked away from them should trouble all of us. However, the simple fact is that if the government does not stop spending money on welfare and warfare, America may soon face an economic crisis that could lead to people being thrown into the street.

Therefore, a transition away from the existing entitlement scheme is needed. This is why a constitutionalist president should propose devoting half of the savings from the cuts in wars and other foreign spending, corporate welfare, and unnecessary and unconstitutional bureaucracies to shoring up Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid and providing enough money to finance government's obligations to those who are already stuck in the system and cannot make alternative provisions. This re-routing of spending would allow payroll taxes to be slashed. The eventual goal would be to move to a completely voluntary system where people only pay payroll taxes into Social Security and Medicare if they choose to participate in those programs. Americans who do not want to participate would be free not to do so, but they would forgo any claim to Social Security or Medicare benefits after retirement.

Some people raise concerns that talk of transitions is an excuse for indefinitely putting off the end of the welfare state. I understand those concerns, which is why a transition plan must lay out a clear timetable for paying down the debt, eliminating unconstitutional bureaucracies, and setting a firm date for when young people can at last opt out of the entitlement programs.

A final area that should be front and center in a constitutionalist's agenda is monetary policy. The Founders obviously did not intend for the president to have much influence over the nation's money — in fact, they never intended any part of the federal government to operate monetary policy as it defined now. However, today a president could play an important role in restoring stability to monetary policy and the value of the dollar. To start, by fighting for serious reductions in spending, a constitutionalist administration would remove one of the major justifications for the Federal Reserve's inflationary policies, the need to monetize government debt.

There are additional steps a pro-freedom president should pursue in his first term to restore sound monetary policy. He should ask Congress to pass two pieces of legislation I have introduced in the 110th Congress. The first is the Audit the Fed bill, which would allow the American people to learn just how the Federal Reserve has been conducting monetary policy. The other is the Free Competition in Currency Act, which repeals legal tender laws and all taxes on gold and silver. This would introduce competition in currency and put a check on the Federal Reserve by ensuring that people have alternatives to government-produced fiat money.

All of these measures will take a lot of work — a lot more than any one person, even the president of the United States, can accomplish by himself. In order to restore the country to the kind of government the Founders meant for us to have, a constitutionalist president would need the support of an active liberty movement. Freedom activists must be ready to pressure wavering legislators to stand up to the special interests and stay the course toward freedom. Thus, when the day comes when someone who shares our beliefs sits in the Oval Office, groups like Young Americans for Liberty and Campaign for Liberty will still have a vital role to play. No matter how many pro-freedom politicians we elect to office, the only way to guarantee constitutional government is through an educated and activist public devoted to the ideals of the liberty.

For that reason, the work of Young Americans for Liberty in introducing young people to the freedom philosophy and getting them involved in the freedom movement is vital to the future of our country. I thank all the members and supporters of YAL for their dedication to changing the political debate in this country, so that in the not-too-distant future we actually will have a president and a Congress debating the best ways to shrink the welfare-warfare state and restore the republic.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul647.html

topspin2 wrote:Shakes....You believe in the system. Well let me tell you, THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN........It would take a messenger from GOD to fix it....Perhaps....RPaul....is....that messenger.....

NO I don't believe in the system...and neither does the good doctor...he wants to take the system down....I want the only person I know who will have the balls to stand up to these THUGS since JFK.....RON PAUL is indeed that man!

agreed

aubrey wrote:agreed

My daughter's name is Aubrey!

999 sounds more like 666

Some of Paul people are as bad as the obamaites, the koolaide comes in severl flavors, I guess...I like some of the things Dr Paul says, but his disregard for Iran getting nukes is head-in-the-sand stuff, and we cannot afford to by isolationist...Herman Caine would get my vote in a heartbeat..he's tough, smart and not from the inside crowd...Dr Paul's son is a real commer, tho, someone to watch for in the future, if this country manages to have one...I just hope some of, or a lot of, the so called independents/moderates reverse their cranial/anal insertion and see the O man for what he is, a thinly veiled marxist, and the lame stream media is a constant shill for him...

I used to have faith in this country, but 2008 put a damper on that belief....too many Americans appear brain dead. I have asked the few liberals that I can stomach what exactly O's accomplishements were that made them want to idolize him as they do, and got nothing but blank stares in return...kind of like the stare I get from the same people when I ask them when an unborn baby should be granted human rights. Not one of those zombies could answer the question of why they were against capital punishement, but favored abortion,....sorry, Im on a rant again...I will stop now, befor my democrat/liberal Tourret's symdrom sets in...

Thank you, and good night....Go recration vehicle!

dinarcowboy wrote:Some of Paul people are as bad as the obamaites, the koolaide comes in severl flavors, I guess...I like some of the things Dr Paul says, but his disregard for Iran getting nukes is head-in-the-sand stuff, and we cannot afford to by isolationist...Herman Caine would get my vote in a heartbeat..he's tough, smart and not from the inside crowd...Dr Paul's son is a real commer, tho, someone to watch for in the future, if this country manages to have one...I just hope some of, or a lot of, the so called independents/moderates reverse their cranial/anal insertion and see the O man for what he is, a thinly veiled marxist, and the lame stream media is a constant shill for him...

I used to have faith in this country, but 2008 put a damper on that belief....too many Americans appear brain dead. I have asked the few liberals that I can stomach what exactly O's accomplishements were that made them want to idolize him as they do, and got nothing but blank stares in return...kind of like the stare I get from the same people when I ask them when an unborn baby should be granted human rights. Not one of those zombies could answer the question of why they were against capital punishement, but favored abortion,....sorry, Im on a rant again...I will stop now, befor my democrat/liberal Tourret's symdrom sets in...

Thank you, and good night....Go recration vehicle!

Nothing will change unless Dr. Paul gets the nomination....all the others are going to continue with the NEO CON games which are putting us more in danger and bankrupting the country....for the hundredth time the good doctor is NOT an isolationist....that's what the NEO CONS are....he is a NON-interventionist....he does NOT want to isolate any country....he wants free trade and NO sanction with all of them....Dr. Paul will bring the troops home.....secure our borders and take care of the Veterans.....you evidently watch too much BOOB TUBE and for your information....his son Rand is a chip off the old block....if you like Rand there is NO difference in the Dad!

topspin2 wrote:Why is your name in CAPITAL LETTERS on your BIRTH CERTIFICATE......

Ummm, because capital letters are used for clarity and fewer mistakes are made when reading capital letters. Also the capitalized information is the information that the person holding the document is searching for and makes it quicker and easier to find. :study:

Why are your posts in capital letters?

Shakes, Getting ready to go to church but will leave this with you for the day since you just don't get the big picture. Here's some more reasons why Paul gets no where, as a matter of fact here are reasons he got no where last go round. Paul is not so much a problem it is his followers as I have said over and over. Here are some facts to start your day. Computer off for the day, It's Sunday...

Why the Ron Paul Campaign is Dangerous

Written by JB Williams

©2007 USA

I am fast becoming the most unpopular man in America, among Ron Paul supporters that is. Truth is seldom popular among those at odds with that truth.

Paul supporters have worked diligently to convince voters that their candidate is the “real deal” constitutionalist conservative in the ’08 presidential race and that he has a real chance of winning. But the facts simply don’t support either of these claims and pointing this reality out seems to drive Paul supporters into a fit of unbridled rage.

The fact is, though Ron Paul himself is no threat to anyone or anything, his campaign is on a track that is very dangerous for America and the conservative movement in particular. Although he is highly unlikely to win anything, his campaign is increasingly likely to cause real trouble for the legitimate Republican nomination process…

…But the recent surge in [Ron Paul] campaign contributions did raise a more important question.

Where’s all that money coming from?

At first, I assumed, and had even written, that Ron Paul’s financial support was coming from the Libertarian wing of the Republican Party. Then I was corrected by former Ron Paul aide and founder of the Libertarian Republican Caucus, Eric Dondero, who also founded MainstreamLibertarian.com and hosts blogtalk radio show Libertarian Politics Live.

In an interview with Dondero, he emphatically complained; “Please refrain in the future from using the label “Libertarian Republican” in describing Ron Paul. Call him what he is: Some sort of populist leftwinger.”


Dondero continued, “Since 9/11 Paul has become a complete nutcase conspiratorialist quasi-Anti-Semitic leftwing American-hating nutball.”

These were strong words from a former aide to Mr. Paul (from 1997 – 2003) and words worthy of investigation in my mind. So I decided to investigate, which in politics always means, follow the money.

Where is all that money coming from?

Upon investigation, it appears that Mr. Dondero is exactly right. Much of Ron Paul’s money is not coming from mainstream Libertarians or Republicans.

Although he is running as a Republican, he actually has very little support from rank and file Republicans, as every national Republican poll confirms. But it turns out that he has very little support from mainstream Libertarians either. As Dondero pointed out, “Ron Paul is only attracting support from the leftwing side of the libertarian spectrum, virtually none of whom are Republicans.”


According to official campaign fund raising filings posted at www.opensecrets.org, Ron Paul’s top contributor is well known internet giant Google. Google, with Al Gore on the board of directors, has a long history of progressive political activism, both in the way they censor search results to bury conservative slanted stories, and in their campaign contribution habits, which is solidly Democrat, with the exception of Ron Paul.

Like Howard Dean before him, Ron Paul first grabbed headlines with his very hi-tech internet campaign, which is now easily explained by the fact that his largest constituency is in the computer tech community. It also explains how Paul supporters have perfected the art of “spamming” or “jamming” online polls, creating a false impression of bigger support while invalidating poll after poll. Other tech giants like Microsoft and Verizon top his donors list as well.

Among Ron Paul’s top donor zip codes are of course parts of Texas, but also heavily liberal districts in Chicago (60614), San Francisco (94117), more than 80% of which supports Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer, and Los Angeles – Long Beach, which is his second largest donor area after Dallas.

What we have here is a candidate trying to win the Republican nomination by raising money from liberals across the political aisle.

This is why his fund-raising is not translating to improved poll positions

His donors are not Republicans. So no matter how much money he raises, it is not translating into Republican support in the polls. He remains at or below 5% support in every national Republican poll, no matter how much money he raises….Yet his supporters still claim he is much more popular than the national polls indicate and that he will be the come from behind shocker at the Republican convention. How?

Here’s where the Ron Paul campaign becomes dangerous

Because Paul supporters know that support coming from non-Republicans is not reflected in the Republican polls, they have started a campaign to promote party-jumping so that their anti-war supporter’s from the left can vote in the Republican primary.

Twenty four states have “open” primaries, which means, one need not be Republican to vote in those Republican primaries. Ron Paul supporters are promoting both strategies – one in which Democrats, Independents, and members of other third parties can vote for him in “open” primaries where possible, and switch parties to vote for him where the primaries are “closed.”

The mere notion that a Republican presidential candidate should be nominated by this strategy is insane and very dangerous to the entire election process. At a minimum, it is a demonstration of just what kind of people are behind the Ron Paul campaign, obviously, not constitutionally conscious people. I do not know if the Paul campaign itself is behind this effort. But I am sure that the campaign is aware of this effort, as well as the fact that much of their funding is coming from people other than Republicans.

The Daily Paul is openly promoting Change Party Affiliation to Republican to Participate in Primaries. “As you may realize, there are many people from across the spectrum planning to support Ron Paul: Libertarians, Constitutionalists, Green Party members, disenfranchised Democrats, and of course the disenfranchised Republicans. Many of these people may not realize that they NEED to change party affiliations to Republican to vote in the GOP Primary in many States.” (A direct quote from the site)

So, how Republican is Republican candidate Ron Paul?

If he’s funded largely by anti-war leftists, from Democrat stronghold districts and counting on Democrats, Libertarians and members of the Green Party to win the Republican nomination, not very…


The only Republicans we find in his campaign are those myopic small government conservatives angry with Bush for his Democrat-like spending habits. Those so angry with Bush, that they are willing to overlook all of this just to vote for a candidate who promises less spending. Of course, we can’t entirely overlook the handful of moderate Republicans who oppose the war in Iraq either, few as they are.

Why is the Ron Paul campaign dangerous?

Despite his very real popularity across the political aisle, he is not likely to get enough people to switch parties in order to win the RNC nomination. But he is doing a great job of validating the perspective of all the negative propaganda uttered by leftists against Bush, Republicans, the War on Terror and national security. That’s not good.

He is also doing a great job of helping the left undermine the war on terror and that’s why he’s so popular among anti-war leftists, including in the press. This is bad.

……Paul and his supporters are busy carving up the party for their own anti-Republican agenda.

….I actually agree with many of Ron Paul’s positions, outside of his suicidal national security perspective of course. But I can not agree with the campaign tactics of using leftist money and votes to hijack the Republican nomination and I’m shocked that any Republican would.

There’s really no need to write another word about Ron Paul. If you can know all of these facts, follow the money and the links provided for their campaign tactics and still support him, you’re no Republican, much less a conservative or constitutionalist.

…That’s it! These are the facts. You don’t have to like them, you just need to know them.

stevejss1 wrote:Shakes, Getting ready to go to church but will leave this with you for the day since you just don't get the big picture. Here's some more reasons why Paul gets no where, as a matter of fact here are reasons he got no where last go round. Paul is not so much a problem it is his followers as I have said over and over. Here are some facts to start your day. Computer off for the day, It's Sunday...

Why the Ron Paul Campaign is Dangerous

Written by JB Williams

©2007 USA

I am fast becoming the most unpopular man in America, among Ron Paul supporters that is. Truth is seldom popular among those at odds with that truth.

Paul supporters have worked diligently to convince voters that their candidate is the “real deal” constitutionalist conservative in the ’08 presidential race and that he has a real chance of winning. But the facts simply don’t support either of these claims and pointing this reality out seems to drive Paul supporters into a fit of unbridled rage.

The fact is, though Ron Paul himself is no threat to anyone or anything, his campaign is on a track that is very dangerous for America and the conservative movement in particular. Although he is highly unlikely to win anything, his campaign is increasingly likely to cause real trouble for the legitimate Republican nomination process…

…But the recent surge in [Ron Paul] campaign contributions did raise a more important question.

Where’s all that money coming from?

At first, I assumed, and had even written, that Ron Paul’s financial support was coming from the Libertarian wing of the Republican Party. Then I was corrected by former Ron Paul aide and founder of the Libertarian Republican Caucus, Eric Dondero, who also founded MainstreamLibertarian.com and hosts blogtalk radio show Libertarian Politics Live.

In an interview with Dondero, he emphatically complained; “Please refrain in the future from using the label “Libertarian Republican” in describing Ron Paul. Call him what he is: Some sort of populist leftwinger.”


Dondero continued, “Since 9/11 Paul has become a complete nutcase conspiratorialist quasi-Anti-Semitic leftwing American-hating nutball.”

These were strong words from a former aide to Mr. Paul (from 1997 – 2003) and words worthy of investigation in my mind. So I decided to investigate, which in politics always means, follow the money.

Where is all that money coming from?

Upon investigation, it appears that Mr. Dondero is exactly right. Much of Ron Paul’s money is not coming from mainstream Libertarians or Republicans.

Although he is running as a Republican, he actually has very little support from rank and file Republicans, as every national Republican poll confirms. But it turns out that he has very little support from mainstream Libertarians either. As Dondero pointed out, “Ron Paul is only attracting support from the leftwing side of the libertarian spectrum, virtually none of whom are Republicans.”


According to official campaign fund raising filings posted at www.opensecrets.org, Ron Paul’s top contributor is well known internet giant Google. Google, with Al Gore on the board of directors, has a long history of progressive political activism, both in the way they censor search results to bury conservative slanted stories, and in their campaign contribution habits, which is solidly Democrat, with the exception of Ron Paul.

Like Howard Dean before him, Ron Paul first grabbed headlines with his very hi-tech internet campaign, which is now easily explained by the fact that his largest constituency is in the computer tech community. It also explains how Paul supporters have perfected the art of “spamming” or “jamming” online polls, creating a false impression of bigger support while invalidating poll after poll. Other tech giants like Microsoft and Verizon top his donors list as well.

Among Ron Paul’s top donor zip codes are of course parts of Texas, but also heavily liberal districts in Chicago (60614), San Francisco (94117), more than 80% of which supports Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer, and Los Angeles – Long Beach, which is his second largest donor area after Dallas.

What we have here is a candidate trying to win the Republican nomination by raising money from liberals across the political aisle.

This is why his fund-raising is not translating to improved poll positions

His donors are not Republicans. So no matter how much money he raises, it is not translating into Republican support in the polls. He remains at or below 5% support in every national Republican poll, no matter how much money he raises….Yet his supporters still claim he is much more popular than the national polls indicate and that he will be the come from behind shocker at the Republican convention. How?

Here’s where the Ron Paul campaign becomes dangerous

Because Paul supporters know that support coming from non-Republicans is not reflected in the Republican polls, they have started a campaign to promote party-jumping so that their anti-war supporter’s from the left can vote in the Republican primary.

Twenty four states have “open” primaries, which means, one need not be Republican to vote in those Republican primaries. Ron Paul supporters are promoting both strategies – one in which Democrats, Independents, and members of other third parties can vote for him in “open” primaries where possible, and switch parties to vote for him where the primaries are “closed.”

The mere notion that a Republican presidential candidate should be nominated by this strategy is insane and very dangerous to the entire election process. At a minimum, it is a demonstration of just what kind of people are behind the Ron Paul campaign, obviously, not constitutionally conscious people. I do not know if the Paul campaign itself is behind this effort. But I am sure that the campaign is aware of this effort, as well as the fact that much of their funding is coming from people other than Republicans.

The Daily Paul is openly promoting Change Party Affiliation to Republican to Participate in Primaries. “As you may realize, there are many people from across the spectrum planning to support Ron Paul: Libertarians, Constitutionalists, Green Party members, disenfranchised Democrats, and of course the disenfranchised Republicans. Many of these people may not realize that they NEED to change party affiliations to Republican to vote in the GOP Primary in many States.” (A direct quote from the site)

So, how Republican is Republican candidate Ron Paul?

If he’s funded largely by anti-war leftists, from Democrat stronghold districts and counting on Democrats, Libertarians and members of the Green Party to win the Republican nomination, not very…


The only Republicans we find in his campaign are those myopic small government conservatives angry with Bush for his Democrat-like spending habits. Those so angry with Bush, that they are willing to overlook all of this just to vote for a candidate who promises less spending. Of course, we can’t entirely overlook the handful of moderate Republicans who oppose the war in Iraq either, few as they are.

Why is the Ron Paul campaign dangerous?

Despite his very real popularity across the political aisle, he is not likely to get enough people to switch parties in order to win the RNC nomination. But he is doing a great job of validating the perspective of all the negative propaganda uttered by leftists against Bush, Republicans, the War on Terror and national security. That’s not good.

He is also doing a great job of helping the left undermine the war on terror and that’s why he’s so popular among anti-war leftists, including in the press. This is bad.

……Paul and his supporters are busy carving up the party for their own anti-Republican agenda.

….I actually agree with many of Ron Paul’s positions, outside of his suicidal national security perspective of course. But I can not agree with the campaign tactics of using leftist money and votes to hijack the Republican nomination and I’m shocked that any Republican would.

There’s really no need to write another word about Ron Paul. If you can know all of these facts, follow the money and the links provided for their campaign tactics and still support him, you’re no Republican, much less a conservative or constitutionalist.

…That’s it! These are the facts. You don’t have to like them, you just need to know them.

LOL.....NO you don't get the BIG PICTURE....people are way past 2007 and NEO CON's like JB Williams...when many thought we still belonged in the wars and used to buy his bullcrap....how do I know....I used to be one....WOKE UP THOUGH...I SUGGEST YOU DO THE SAME!!!

Fast forward to today....people are fed up with the corruption and the wars.......DR. PAUL is the breath of fresh air who will BRING OUR TROOPS HOME......AUDIT AND EVENTUALLY END THE FED AND THE FINANCIAL CORRUPTION WHICH HAS BANKRUPTED AMERICA......PROMOTE AND FOLLOW THE RULE OF LAW THAT IS OUR CONSTITUTION AND THE MAN IS THE ONLY ONE "WE THE PEOPLE" CAN TRUST TO DO WHAT HE SAYS HE WILL DO....YOU EITHER GET ON BOARD WITH HIM OR THERE WILL BE 4 MORE YEARS OF BO......WE RON PAUL SUPPORTERS ARE NOT LETTING THE NEO CONS CONTINUE THEIR REIGN OF TERROR!

BTW....Ron Paul gets more donations from the military than all the other candidates together....you need to become MORE current about what is actually going on in our country and around the world.....quit living in the PAST.....today Ron Paul is RIGHT on message and the front runner among ALL voters.......I'm not just talking about RINO's and NEO CONS....they of course will continue to support the "War on Terror" which is NOT working!



This is REAL....this is today.....time to WAKE UP DUDE...you aren't fooling anyone...

Military newspaper front page: "YOU WANT HIM - Ron Paul leads in donations for military personnel"
Submitted by John Parker on Sun, 09/25/2011 - 04:56
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The Ranger is a weekly newspaper published for the military personnel at Joint Base Lewis McChord in WA. This week's front page is a photo of Ron Paul for an article talking about Dr. Paul's support from the military, and his foreign policy positions.

https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img59/2205/ronpaulranger.jpg


This is real....this is TODAY.....Time to wake....you aren't fooling anyone but yourself.....Dr. Paul is the only clear choice....

Ron Paul Sticks With His Principles, Climbs in Polls
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By Elizabeth Williamson

In a political season marked by warfare between Democrats and Republicans, the White House and Congress, haves and have-nots, GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul has built staunch support among voters who are furious at the federal government — from emo-kids to retirees.

But in Thursday’s debate, as candidates Mitt Romney and Rick Perry tore into each other, Mr. Paul showed once more that he isn’t particularly upset with, or allied with, anyone. This week, the Texas congressman said he seldom even mentions President Barack Obama, though he’s picking up support from some of Mr. Obama’s disillusioned backers.


http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/09/23/ron-paul-sticks-with-his-principles-to-climb-in-polls/


Here are JUST A FEW comments about the good doctor.....just because you are asleep at the wheel doesn't mean the rest of us are........ONCE AGAIN...YOU NEO CON RINO'S ARE GOING DOWN....PEOPLE ARE SIMPLY FED UP WITH THE LIES AND CORRUPTION......THESE ARE IN REAL TIME TOO....NOT DATED 2007...READ IT A WEEP STEVIE BOY......

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o 11:04 am September 25, 2011
o RON PAUL FOUNDING FATHER wrote:

RON RON

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RON RON

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o 11:04 am September 25, 2011
o Dagny Taggart wrote:

10:24 you my friend are an obama supporter. the spoiler: ron paul. obama’s only hope.

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o 10:57 am September 25, 2011
o john baugh wrote:

I have mostly voted Republican since 1989. I used to think Ron Paul was a kook. After looking at him more closely I decided I will vote for him in the primaries this year. He is the only one who seems to understand the issues. I have been a Fox News fan since they started. I have stopped watching mainly because of the dismissive tone they take against him.

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o 10:54 am September 25, 2011
o WRITE IN RON PAUL wrote:

PREPARE THE WAY TO THE NEW FREEDOM. REPUBLICANS WILL NOT CHOOSE RON PAUL. THE REVOLUTION MEANS RON PAUL IN THE GENERAL ELECTION. THE PARTY OF THE HONEST IS THE THIRD PARTY. RON PAUL, WRITE IN.

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o 10:49 am September 25, 2011
o Thomas Petty wrote:

Ron Paul has my vote

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o 10:28 am September 25, 2011
o annie wrote:

It’s now or never! RON PAUL 2012!!!

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o 10:05 am September 25, 2011
o PeacePilgram wrote:

That is why Ron Paul is the right choice for America, for the entire World. He is a Warrior in the truest sense of The Four Agreements, (Don Miguel Ruiz), and Eckhart Tolle, A New Earth.

Ron Paul stands by his principals so he has no need to put other politicians down just to elevate himself. Nor does he take anything personally. This is the leader that can move us to the next paradigm. A paradigm of true peace for all living things and freedom. If we don’t go now, there’ll be little left of the world as we know it. Please don’t let the press pick our president this time, it is too important.

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o 8:59 am September 25, 2011
o Frost Giant wrote:

This Ron Paul guy is very kind.

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o 8:56 am September 25, 2011
o Sherry Baker wrote:

Thank you for an actually interesting, non-biased and non-smirky article about Dr. Paul. I especially appreciate the coverage of this fact seldom if ever mentioned elsewhere — he is able to work across party lines and has respect for individuals whether gay or straight, freedom and individual rights supporting Dem or Republican. I was most gratified and almost stunned to read this article after the plethora of amateurish, silly ( and often blantantly censoring) non-coverage of Dr. Paul’s candidacy by other reporters and media. Thanks again.

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o 8:47 am September 25, 2011
o Gremlin wrote:

Mr. Paul is far too gentle with the main street media, who has CLEARLY minimized his candidacy and ignored , omitted, and even ridiculed his supporters and his continuing climb in the polls. There is no other candidate, either Republican or Democrat, who is as consistent, honest, forthright, sensible, and CONSTITUTIONAL in his approach to what America needs, moving ahead. If every voting American doesn’t SERIOUSLY consider Ron Paul for President, then I’m afraid that America……the great experiment in human liberty……is doomed.

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o 8:38 am September 25, 2011
o ed helmstetter wrote:

when was the last time you felt exhilarated after voting for president? i wrote ron paul in in 2008 and was all smiles all day vote for ron paul and feel good about yourself

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o 7:21 am September 25, 2011
o dom youngross wrote:

That’s what I like about Paul. He is both right on issues and a class act as well. Not a chest thumper, not a bragger, not a hater, not a whiner, none of that. Ask him a question and he automatically just answers it.

With him as president there wouldn’t be such rancor and dysfunction in congress. That’s because for the first time in who knows how long there would be real, genuine leadership.

Paul indeed would be the adult in any federal government room.

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o 6:39 am September 25, 2011
o Jennifer Hyatt wrote:

ATTENTION ALL RON PAUL SUPPORTERS….We need you for one day. Oct 19th is the anniversary of day we won the Revolutionary War. We need to win another Revolution, but we can’t do it if the media continues to black out Ron Paul. Won’t you donate something…anything…on Oct.19th. Spread the word. If we work together they won’t be able to ignore us. This is THE one!! Click attend at the link and send it to all RP supporters you know!! We need EVERYONE!!! https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=181997088537471 and blackthisout.com

Let’s show them they cannot shut US up!!!! As always, donate ONLY to the campaign directly on Oct. 19th. But please click attend so we know that we are gaining traction for this. Thanks!!!

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o 6:01 am September 25, 2011
o Donna W wrote:

That says it all. Thank you for saying it.

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o 4:15 am September 25, 2011
o jon wrote:

Ron Paul the only honest man in the race. Including the white house. I am voting for him,.

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o 3:43 am September 25, 2011
o David S wrote:

After 3 years of betrayal by Obama, I will be voting for Ron Paul, but my gut says it will be as an Independent. The powers that be seemed determined to marginalize Paul and give us only a choice between Obama and Romney or Perry, which is no choice at all.

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o 2:25 am September 25, 2011
o Macrocosm wrote:

Thank you Elizabeth for the great article. The revolution needs more people like you on its side. If we don’t start to change our monetary and political systems soon, our country will become unrecognizable in the very near future. He is the only one that can put us back on the path to liberty. The ONLY one.

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o 2:02 am September 25, 2011
o GONZO71 wrote:

As a recently returning Iraq combat vet, I will only vote for Ron Paul, I refuse to continue voting for the “lesser of two evils” this man has Principles and Values, he has NOT waved those Principles and Values to specially interest pandering in his 20+ years in Congress he is the Black Sheep of the Republican Party because he has refused to fall in line…..That’s what I love about this man, I will be voting for Ron Paul in a write in or on a 3rd party ticket. If the GOP can’t get it through their thick heads that this is the best man for the future of our country then I guess we’ll have another 4 years of Obummer. We have no one but the GOP to blame for us having Obummer right now, GW Bush’s last 4 yrs were a joke and the McCain Campaign was a joke…Republican Party is a cheap representation of what Ronald Reagan left behind…..

READ MY LIPS RON Paul 2012 or 4 more years of Obummer and let the chips fall where they may…..

This is how clueless Cain is......he actually admits it too



No Need To Audit the Federal Reserve According to Herman Cain







Herman Cain Supported the TARP Bailouts




Then there was also his most recent gaffe.....this is scary.....he didn't know what "right of return" meant.....this guy doesn't have a clue about foreign policy and what to do.....Cain makes Sarah Palin look like a genius...



Cain: ‘I Didn’t Understand The Right Of Return’ (VIDEO)
Eric Kleefeld | May 24, 2011, 10:39AM


Businessman and presidential candidate Herman Cain appeared on Sean Hannity's TV show Tuesday night, to do some clean-up duty after he seemed to accidentally acknowledge a potential right of return to Israel for Palestinian refugees, who fled or were expelled from their homes during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war, or for their descendants. As Cain now admits, he simply did not know what the question was referring to -- and he added, he has now learned that they were not expelled at all.

"A lot of people think you didn't understand the right of return," said Hannity.

"They are exactly right, Sean. Chris [Wallace] caught me off guard. I didn't understand the right of return," said Cain. "That came out of left field. And of all the questions that I anticipated him asking me, I didn't even conceive of him asking me about the right of return. I now know what that is.

"The thing that you're gonna learn about Herman Cain, if he doesn't know something, he's not going to try and fake it, or give an answer that he doesn't know what he's talking about."

Funny thing, though: When Cain on Sunday had paused awkwardly during the questioning from Wallace, and then said that a right of return was "something that should be negotiated," was that not trying to fake it and give an answer about something where he didn't know what he was talking about?


Continues here....

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/05/cain-i-didnt-understand-the-right-of-return-video.php

Just for you Stevie.....make sure you read all the comments too.....one straw poll win does NOT a nomination make....if that were true Dr. Paul would have been announced the winner long ago.....people are awake and I aim to wake up more of them.......

Why Herman Cain Won


Laurence Vance
LRC Blog
September 25, 2011

Herman Cain won the Florida straw poll with more votes than Perry and Romney combined. Why? I can think of two reasons–and neither of them are that he is a warmonger, worked for the FED, supports the FairTax, supported Romney in 2008, supported TARP, and supports the Patriot Act.

The first reason is face time. Cain was in the debate on Thursday night. Then he spoke on Friday afternoon at CPAC Florida. Then he was the featured speaker at the VIP Reagan Reception on Friday night. Then he stayed around for closing arguments on Saturday afternoon before the straw poll (only Cain, Santorum, Gingrich, and Paul did this).

The second reason is the mention of his cancer during the debate on Thursday night. People are a sucker for things like this. (Yes, I’m glad he recovered).

Would Cain be a better black president than Obama? Probably. He is a warmonger, but not any more so than Obama. Although it would be interesting to see Cain and Obama battle it out for the black vote, I would much rather see Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell.



14 Responses to “Why Herman Cain Won”

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Nam Marine says:
September 25, 2011 at 11:07 am

Evidently you just don’t get it yet! Thanks to the Muslim in the White House, it will be 100 years before another Negro gets anywhere near that office!
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donjackson1939 says:
September 25, 2011 at 11:06 am

All the garbage in this NAZI GOVERNMENT IN POWER are from the SAME garbage pile! FORGET THEIR POISON WELLS OF DEMON-OCRACY as a NATION. Become Colored BLIND it is a healthy for OUR real America “WE THE PEOPLE”. We have been listening to these NAZIS as THEY divided America WITH THEIR WARMONGERING LIES, DECEIT AND DESTRUCTION. Americans we cannot keep searching in their garbage piles, looking for cleaner garbage. We need to take back our Country and the ONLY WAY THAT IS POSSIBLE, is for “WE THE PEOPLE” to stop them from multiplying, as the maggots they are, on a dying America. WE NEED TO JOIN ARE HANDS IN UNITY AND ABANDON AND BOYCOTT THEM AND SAY TO THE ALMIGHTY GOD, “WE HAVE SINNED AGAINST YOU, WE HAVE ABANDONED YOU, FORGIVE US FOR OUR IGNORANCE IN SIN AND FOR OUR CREATING THIS IDOL WARMONGERING MONSTER BEFORE YOU, HELP US TO TEAR DOWN AND REMOVE THEM FROM YOUR SIGHT”! Young and old, men and women, the REAL TERRORIST ARE THESE NAZIS IN CONTROL OF OUR HIGH-JACKED GOVERNMENT that are plundering our Constitution and our BILL OF RIGHTS and WITH THEIR (NOT OURS) fraudulent “PATRIOT ACT” THAT THIS MAN CAIN (WHO IS “NO” MARTIN LUTHER KING) AND OTHERS LIKE HIM WHO HAVE VOTED FOR THE NAZIS IN POWER. We need to MARCH AS A NATION UNITED UPON WASHINGTON D.C. and WE NEED TO START BOYCOTTING THEIR PSEUDO-MESSAGE OF HOPE WITH THEIR HIGH TREASON THAT CATERS TO THE BANQUETS OF FEASTS SPONSORED BY THESE NAZI BANKERS and THEIR IDEOLOGICAL WARMONGERS! Americans, If we do not climb out of THEIR garbage pile, separate away from them, then WE will become the TYRANNY going on around the world and in NEW YORK CITY AND OUR NATIONS FRONT DOOR WASHINGTON D.C. with their NAZI ideology. “Give us Liberty” or “Death” will have a real meaning during these most tragic, historical blood-spilling and warmongering, consequences upon all of us. For TYRANNY WILL CONTINUE TO RULE OVER ALL OF US, AS THESE NAZIS EXPAND THEIR MAGGOT BASES OF OPERATION, AS THEY DO NOW.
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skywatcher1 says:
September 25, 2011 at 11:04 am

Let it be widely known that Candidate Cain also supported TARP and even went so far as to admonish the free-market in the depths of the imploding bubble created and fostered his friends at the FEDERAL RESERVE.

“In order for these collective actions to work, the media needs to calm its crisis rhetoric, and Congress needs to just shut up with its political rhetoric.” – Herman Cain

The man who once worked at the private bank known as the FEDERAL RESERVE whose fiat monetary schemes continue to rob Americans of their wealth in the form of “Interest Payments” via Income Taxes confiscated by the federal government, reveals himself to be no more adept at understanding the Constitution or free-market than Timothy Geithner.
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Nam Marine says:
September 25, 2011 at 11:09 am

EXACTLY CORRECT !
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brucewhain says:
September 25, 2011 at 10:49 am

A couple of months ago Cain made some gaff that had to do with Israel and proved he didn’t know much about the subject. Anyone remember what it was?
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skywatcher1 says:
September 25, 2011 at 11:07 am

Cain, the Tea Party spoiler in the nomination fight, stopped by Fox News Sunday to talk about his campaign on the morning after he launched it. He walked away bruised and requiring the requisite walkback statement from his staff that has been a hallmark of GOP campaign rollouts lately.

The trouble came when FNS host Chris Wallace turned to the subject of Israel. Cain offered a full-throated attack on President Obama’s Middle East policy speech, restating that Obama “threw Israel under the bus” and reaffirming his “Cain Doctrine” that “You mess with Israel, you are messing with the U.S.”

Cain said if he was president, he’d offer the Palestinian side “nothing” in peace process negotiations because “I’m not convinced that the Palestinians are really interested in peace.”
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informed American patriot says:
September 25, 2011 at 10:45 am

At this point, Herman Cain is just running to be on the GOP ticket, as the VP.

ELECT RON PAUL 2012. Save America from the New World Dis-Order.
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DollarzDead says:
September 25, 2011 at 10:43 am

Okay here is my problem with this situation. Obviously his last involvements with the fed. I like Cain and have listened to him on the radio sit in for Boortz for years. His place in the fed DQ’s him from high public office IMO. Perry and Romney have never been front runners. They are both weak candidates that will not get the nod. How can Cain be in support of the Fair Tax but not getting rid of the FED? Getting rid of the income tax would get rid of the fed so I don’t see how he is contradicting himself on this one. He was the chairman and realizes this whole fed scheme relies on new loans and forced income tax. Without either the system would collapse. I like his insight on the radio when it comes to partisan politics, but this stinks to high heavens to me.
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bigo says:
September 25, 2011 at 10:40 am

the fact that cain worked for the Fed means he is a sold out stooge. Then there is the question of the voting process. Was this a public opening of the votes, or a proprietary computer tally? I don’t believe for one second Herman Cain beat Ron Paul. Rigged by the banker media complex.
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DollarzDead says:
September 25, 2011 at 10:45 am

I don’t either I watched the coverage of the event and everyone there was saying how much Cain impressed them before the vote. And that they were pissed Perry didn’t show up. Actually I don’t think RP made a show up so maybe that was the Florida GOP rewarding him for paying attention to them.
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TheLastAmerican says:
September 25, 2011 at 10:28 am

That about covers it.
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opiefromspace says:
September 25, 2011 at 10:27 am

Extremely doubtful that HC can win nomination BUT it did my heart some good to see him bury Perry at Florida straw poll. I know he beat all BUT I am quite pleased that Perry’s meteor is fading and all that’s left in some whining noise off in the distance. Bring on Christie as the next punching bag. Republican billionaires are supposedly begging him to run. Eventually they will run out of neocon cannon fodder and have to face the fact that a white Republican Obama or even a man like Cain will lose. Ok, I support Ron Paul. Surprised? Dr Paul is the only candidate that has a consistent and principled message. If they want a glib spokesman he is not their man. If they want business as usual he’s not their man. If, by some remote chance, they want to change course and build a USA that can keep it’s sovereignty and prosper in the future then they should end the farce and support Ron. He educates us all on how to build and maintain a sovereign nation that keeps it’s focus on bettering itself on merit not militarism.
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nico ghannni says:
September 25, 2011 at 10:20 am

not me.
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skywatcher1 says:
September 25, 2011 at 10:12 am

Uhh, Herman Cain, as in, the former chairman and CEO of Godfather’s Pizza and a former deputy chairman (1992–94) and chairman (1995–96) of the board of directors to the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. Uhh, does anyone really have to say anymore?

http://www.infowars.com/why-herman-cain-won/

Representative Ron Paul on Daily Show with Jon Stewart, details

By April MacIntyre Sep 22, 2011, 15:46 GMT
US Republican Representative from Texas Ron Paul EPA/MICHAEL REYNOLDS

US Republican Representative from Texas Ron Paul EPA/MICHAEL REYNOLDS

Representative Ron Paul (R-TX) will make his third appearance as a guest on "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart" on Monday, September 26 at 11:00 p.m. (ET/PT), his first since announcing his intentions to seek the 2012 Republican nomination for President of the United States of America.

Dr. Paul's last appearance on "The Daily Show" was on September 29, 2009. He also appeared on June 4, 2007.

Despite facing an uphill battle against more media darlings like Rick Perry, Texas Representtaive Ron Paul appears to be gaining momentum. The campaign is opening offices and launching ad buys, in an attempt to capitalize on rising poll numbers and strong fundraising.

The Boston Globe reports that a Suffolk University poll of likely New Hampshire voters found Paul in second place. While former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney maintained a huge lead over all his competitors, Paul was leading the pack of other contenders at 14 percent, with his closest rival, former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman, four points back.

"The Daily Show" airs Monday-Thursday at 11:00 p.m. and repeats at 1:00 a.m. the same night and at 9:00 a.m., 3:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m. the following day (all times ET/PT). Full episodes, as well as clips, are posted for viewing the following day at www.thedailyshow.com with URL and embed links


http://www.monstersandcritics.com/smallscreen/news/article_1664535.php/Representative-Ron-Paul-on-Daily-Show-with-Jon-Stewart-details

polecat wrote:shakes you havent looked at all by your statements about cain. first he has stated that income tax amendments will be repealed first so your statement that we will pay 999 on top of income tax is incorrect.his position on frb in kansas city was as monitor,not a policy maker.you say we have no choice but ron paul we do. i like ron paul and believe he would make a great president he loves our nation and knows and honors the constitution,and would no doubt uphold it.if he is the nominee i will support him,but it does not make sense to state as fact things about cain when they are baseless. like moosetracks said if you would get to know cain you would like him and see he is a good man and will support the constitution. speak no ill of a fellow patriot

Tells me some are still asleep and buying into the rhetoric and cheerleading against BO and not doing their homework very well.......


What Herman Cain’s Straw Poll Victory Means

Herman Cain won the Florida straw poll this weekend with 37% of the vote. Cain’s Facebook page, which I checked out following the news of his victory, is full of people who consider him a breath of fresh air. Most of them say they can’t stand Perry or Romney, but that Cain tells it like it is.

Overlooked, as usual, is that Cain himself doesn’t feel that way about Romney, whom he endorsed in 2008. D’oh.

Cain is more or less the same as the rest of the pack in terms of economic policy; they all seem to think tax reform is the solution to the aftermath of the financial crisis. Yes, they talk about regulation, too. But again, their solutions are from 1983. No mention of the source of the financial crisis, or why we keep having these financial bubbles and business cycles. (Here’s a hint.) No, it’s just a matter of changing our tax policy.

I’m not saying Cain supporters are stupid or dense. I am saying they are not looking at their man honestly, or perhaps do not know everything they should about him. And I don’t expect all Americans to understand what causes the business cycle. But for heaven’s sake, they should at least look into it (see the business cycle section). It’s kind of important.

Cain’s Florida straw poll victory means that 37% of participants believe the following:

1) Supporting TARP is A-OK.
2) Endorsing Mitt Romney is A-OK.
3) Claiming as late as 2006 that there was no housing bubble, that the economy was fine, that skeptics were just people who hated George W. Bush, and being totally taken by surprise by the Panic of 2008, is A-OK, and this is just the person we need in charge.

For supporting evidence for these and other problems with Cain, click here.

http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/what-herman-cains-straw-poll-victory-means/

For the five-minute case against Cain, see below.

The Trouble with Herman Cain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl_RXM8Kt6g&feature=player_embedded

Ron Paul Kicking @$$ (in 1 Min)