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Cyrus The Great was a rare leader from ancient Iran...Read about him and learn !Why we are never told how good he was ...!!!!!!
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Post by jrg Sun Oct 02, 2016 12:02 am

Yea right Trump, a man of his word, that is so ridiculous its not even funny.  If you want to get some interesting insights into the making of both Trump and Clinton, watch http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/the-choice-2016/

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Post by Kevind53 Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:36 am

jrg wrote:Yea right Trump, a man of his word, that is so ridiculous its not even funny.  If you want to get some interesting insights into the making of both Trump and Clinton, watch http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/the-choice-2016/

Because PBS like the Grey Lady, has such an excellent record of journalistic neutrality?

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Post by jrg Sun Oct 02, 2016 2:56 pm

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jrg wrote:Yea right Trump, a man of his word, that is so ridiculous its not even funny.  If you want to get some interesting insights into the making of both Trump and Clinton, watch http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/the-choice-2016/

Because PBS like the Grey Lady, has such an excellent record of journalistic neutrality?
I think they are pretty neutral (no one can be perfectly so of course) and that Frontline is the best in depth news program available.  Why don't you watch the program and THEN pass judgement rather than doing so before hand?

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Post by Kevind53 Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:35 pm

I have watched their programs, and I happen top disagree with you on their neutrality.

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Post by jrg Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:44 pm

Kevind53 wrote:I have watched their programs, and I happen top disagree with you on their neutrality.

I don't claim so for all of PBS, but I think Frontline is pretty fair, and this show in particular was mostly about the candidates upbringing, what made them who they are, not about campaign issues.  I found it pretty interesting.

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Post by Kevind53 Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:48 pm

I'll grant you they're better than some, but I still find them biased. Even if I didn't, ... I would not watch it anyway based on the title... I tire of all this ancient prophecy/Nostradamus/New Age Mystic crap.

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Post by Just4Tom74 Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:55 pm

I am with you on that Kevin...... They all have their own agenda.... No real news any more..

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Post by jrg Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:57 pm

Kevind53 wrote:I'll grant you they're better than some, but I still find them biased. Even if I didn't,  ... I would not watch it anyway based on the title... I tire of all this ancient prophecy/Nostradamus/New Age Mystic crap.
I'm not suggesting that you watch the crap prophecy video, but to watch the Fronline episode "The Choice 2016".  no new age mystic prophecy involved.

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Post by jrg Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:06 pm

Just4Tom74 wrote:I am with you on that Kevin...... They all have their own agenda.... No real news any more..

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"anymore" as if there used to be?  what is "real news"?  You can not possibly report every event on the planet.  Selecting what to report and in what order does not necessarily imply an intent to distort (thought that certainly exists too).

Everyone sees the the world through the filter of their own biases.  How can you tell if what you claim is biased reporting or an agenda, is not just fair reporting that does not match YOUR bias (and the same for me and everyone else)?

Other than the data on things like time devoted to candidates or certain stories etc (i.e. objective measures, which are few and far between for this area) determining what is fair and what is not is extremely difficult, perhaps impossible.  Certainly there are many media sources (big and small) that do have an agenda (by their own admission), and I think that avalanche of viewpoints may tend to lead one to think all news sources are this way, but I don't think its necessary so.

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Post by Kevind53 Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:55 pm

Bias can come in many subtle ways. The choice of words for example. Two words can have the same meaning, yet one carries negative connotations while the other carries a negative connotation. You can effect the message by the words you choose to portray an event.

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Post by jrg Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:38 pm

Kevind53 wrote:Bias can come in many subtle ways. The choice of words for example. Two words can have the same meaning, yet one carries negative connotations while the other carries a negative connotation. You can effect the message by the words you choose to portray an event.
Of course!  and there are certainly folks who go out of their way to use such words to advance their view.  But also there is NO way to describe anything that won't be viewed as biased by someone.  We all view such things through our own pre-judgements.  A number of studies have shown that we typically pick and chose various "facts" more to justify our pre-conceptions on issue than to actually come to a conclusion on those issues.

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Post by Just4Tom74 Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:48 pm

What's happening jrg?  Seems to me like you are on the attack mode for the board members.  Say what you want but there is no sense in attacking the board members who are addressing the post.  Now if you really have a problem with one of us try using the Personal Message option.  I see by your number of post that you are relatively new to the board.  Just a suggestion.  No offense intended.

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Post by jrg Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:20 am

Just4Tom74 wrote:What's happening jrg?  Seems to me like you are on the attack mode for the board members.  Say what you want but there is no sense in attacking the board members who are addressing the post.  Now if you really have a problem with one of us try using the Personal Message option.  I see by your number of post that you are relatively new to the board.  Just a suggestion.  No offense intended.

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Sorry to have appeared that way.  I don't mean to be attacking anyone.  I argue against only the content of what people post not the people that post it.  As I said I think the idea that all news sources have an agenda and that somehow that was al different in the past, does not stand up to scrutiny.  I think that's all I said, I didn't insult anyone or call anyone names or such like.    I have only been posting here for a year or so and not that frequently, but have been using the net since it was invented so am pretty familiar with such environments.

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Post by Just4Tom74 Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:37 pm

OK, glad we got that worked out....

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Post by Terbo56 Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:58 pm

Personally, I don't believe there will be an election, as both of those choices are bad assed crooks, and we have had quite enough of that shit- Time for some new, and honest blood, IF you ask me-
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Post by Just4Tom74 Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:01 pm

An honest person will never last amongst all of those crooks... Best to get rid of the whole damn bunch....

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Post by Terbo56 Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:03 pm

You'd have to get rid of them ALL, before we got somebody decent.....
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Post by Just4Tom74 Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:26 pm

Actually I believe there must be something in the water up there... We have sent good people up there and they just turn to crap from all the corruption that surrounds them..... IMO

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