Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10

ReapAndSow73 wrote:

TRADE wrote:You have no clue what the CBI will do. Your assumptions could be correct. And now you are trying to tell me what I think, (wealthy).  I have a very small investment position in this exotic currency compared to my overall investments. As for as your last paragraph, your not talking with a person that pushes that stuff, especially eo13303 which has nothing concerning the dinar in it. As I said above, their are arguements that lead to the opinion it will take a long time to increase in value if it ever does, and their is a argument that shows it is a high risk speculative investment chance. But I am not going to go into either side, it is very obvious where the people on this site sit with their opinions and theories. And I am not going to waste my time debating either position. You have what you believe and that is what is important to you. I'm not interested in changing your thinking nor do I care less what your opinions are or what you think is in place or not.

Yes indeed - people who cannot debate facts refuse to debate.  That's how it typically works.  if you had any idea what I did for a living, you'd know that I kinda DO know what CBI will do, lol.  I'm here putting rumors and illogical RV fantasies to rest because it harmed my family, and I took the challenge to dispel this nonsense.  You have investor bias, which is the most dangerous, subjective mindset to have.  you will never cut your losses, and cannot accept the harsh reality that the RV is a mathematical and economical impossibility - that means it cannot happen.  Cannot.  Ever.

TRADE wrote:

ReapAndSow73 wrote:

TRADE wrote:You have no clue what the CBI will do. Your assumptions could be correct. And now you are trying to tell me what I think, (wealthy).  I have a very small investment position in this exotic currency compared to my overall investments. As for as your last paragraph, your not talking with a person that pushes that stuff, especially eo13303 which has nothing concerning the dinar in it. As I said above, their are arguements that lead to the opinion it will take a long time to increase in value if it ever does, and their is a argument that shows it is a high risk speculative investment chance. But I am not going to go into either side, it is very obvious where the people on this site sit with their opinions and theories. And I am not going to waste my time debating either position. You have what you believe and that is what is important to you. I'm not interested in changing your thinking nor do I care less what your opinions are or what you think is in place or not.

Yes indeed - people who cannot debate facts refuse to debate.  That's how it typically works.  if you had any idea what I did for a living, you'd know that I kinda DO know what CBI will do, lol.  I'm here putting rumors and illogical RV fantasies to rest because it harmed my family, and I took the challenge to dispel this nonsense.  You have investor bias, which is the most dangerous, subjective mindset to have.  you will never cut your losses, and cannot accept the harsh reality that the RV is a mathematical and economical impossibility - that means it cannot happen.  Cannot.  Ever.

I am not in this discussion forum to debate what could happen with the dinar. You are trying to start a debate on that issue. Go spend your time with the others. I can debate facts just as you can. And what you do for a living is not going to put you into the position of knowing what steps the CBI will take in the future. You can hide behind whatever name you want, but you do not have that information. You only have opinions based on past history and theories you have come up with. So don't talk like your this important person who has that type of knowledge, others may fall for it but I won't. As for as the situation regarding the dinar, you have no clue what my thoughts on it are, your just trying to pick a fight so you can continue your great crusade. Save it for somebody else

Ssmith wrote:

TRADE wrote:

ReapAndSow73 wrote:

TRADE wrote:You have no clue what the CBI will do. Your assumptions could be correct. And now you are trying to tell me what I think, (wealthy).  I have a very small investment position in this exotic currency compared to my overall investments. As for as your last paragraph, your not talking with a person that pushes that stuff, especially eo13303 which has nothing concerning the dinar in it. As I said above, their are arguements that lead to the opinion it will take a long time to increase in value if it ever does, and their is a argument that shows it is a high risk speculative investment chance. But I am not going to go into either side, it is very obvious where the people on this site sit with their opinions and theories. And I am not going to waste my time debating either position. You have what you believe and that is what is important to you. I'm not interested in changing your thinking nor do I care less what your opinions are or what you think is in place or not.

Yes indeed - people who cannot debate facts refuse to debate.  That's how it typically works.  if you had any idea what I did for a living, you'd know that I kinda DO know what CBI will do, lol.  I'm here putting rumors and illogical RV fantasies to rest because it harmed my family, and I took the challenge to dispel this nonsense.  You have investor bias, which is the most dangerous, subjective mindset to have.  you will never cut your losses, and cannot accept the harsh reality that the RV is a mathematical and economical impossibility - that means it cannot happen.  Cannot.  Ever.

I am not in this discussion forum to debate what could happen with the dinar. You are trying to start a debate on that issue. Go spend your time with the others. I can debate facts just as you can. And what you do for a living is not going to put you into the position of knowing what steps the CBI will take in the future. You can hide behind whatever name you want, but you do not have that information. You only have opinions based on past history and theories you have come up with. So don't talk like your this important person who has that type of knowledge, others may fall for it but I won't. As for as the situation regarding the dinar, you have no clue what my thoughts on it are, your just trying to pick a fight so you can continue your great crusade. Save it for somebody else

But you are in this discussion to explain what Gen64/KCIQD has set up with WF, are you not?  Why won't you address what ReapAndSow73 posted?

"There can be no deal negotiated without consent and counter-party signature.  An opt-in email database does NOT count as fiduciary.  This is contract law.  Under SEC regulations, a bank cannot sign a negotiable instrument (letter of intent, in this case) with any party claiming to represent someone without notarized power of attorney privilege.  To-date, there has been no proof of this LoI, no documented evidence, no fiduciary established.  None.  If a bank representative, 'worked out a deal' with Wiley or KCMana on behalf of unknown thousands, and no notarized PoA was verified - not only is it a non-binding contract, it's subject to massive SEC fines for both the bank employee and WF.

Chalk this one under, 'yet another fairy tale contract," like oil credits and contract rates for exchanging IQD (which by the way, are also highly illegal under equal protection statutes via the OCC)"

TRADE wrote:The way I see it, is ramblernash, likes to twist and cut out conversations then spins it to mean something else that it was not intended too. Just so he can tweet out his opinions. The only sweat was the sweat coming off your forehead. But if that's what your about then good luck with your side hobby. There are more professional people to deal with then a person that self creates hype just for his own gain and popularity.

Nash Rambler ‏@RamblerNash

Nash Rambler ‏@RamblerNash

Nash Rambler ‏@RamblerNash

G64 was the main spokesman for the group and put out all that hype for dinarland to digest. See the examples in this thread and go to the archives over at recaps for the rest.

G64 claimed to be Wiley Morgan, but you say it was 2 different people. One of those is a lie!

Here on this thread you have used terms such as "contract" "contracted" "higher rate" "structured agreement" "WF's mailing system" etc...

Are you familure with the Guru Handbook?

https://www.dinardaily.net/t41620-handbook-for-the-guru-wannabe

Yea, your sweating bullets trying to explain away why the laws don't apply in this "Groups" case.

Lies are being told by your group and your folks should know that...

TRADE wrote:It was never in that name, that was just the original person who was in the public forums,, the group actually was the KCIQD team from the beginning. The G64 just become a popular reference in the past referring to the group.

RamblerNash wrote:

TRADE wrote:rambler, Wiley Morgan nor Kcmana has ever said anybody was cashing out in southeast asia. What are you talking about

I'll post it again:

Generals64 Chat at MIG Mon. Morning

2/27/2012  

 
[generals64]No one really knows exact time or rate. It will probably be some one we least expect it telling us when it happens...the GURUs will be mad ...Until they
cash out. Some of the people I talk with (24 hours a day) have told me this is
really a good time frame anbegan explaininwhy...Madesensetme...LadyLeeLee...I have some REAL close friends in the CIA...REAL CLOSE...they
have missed it everytime. this will NOT be announced to the public ...it's a
banking decision....This will go to (please READ and REMEMBER)the Corporate
Banking Screens First....the executives of these banks will release it to their
 branches when they ARE TOLD to...

[generals64] I got excited when I first heard the 12.64 rate...want to know when I heard that?...Precious can agree or disagree with me as we talk every day at least once....I heard that rate almost a month ago...I have been listening to intelligence given by every department that would be involved....I still say the Federal Reserve has to have some say in the final approach.

generals64] newshound :...It's WileyMorgan...sorry if my spelling is bad...you guys I get calls all nite long...don't get to sleep much....I was given information at about 11:00 last night that there was a place in the Southeast Asia area cashing it out...they got excited but, he got nothing really...then they called again and told me he got a rate (won't tell don't ask) and it was too low in my opinion so I asked
the question what type of bank?...Oh no, it was a currency trader at the
airport...

generals64] So, the trader gives him a low rate and even though it's higher than he gave for it...Now inquisitive mind goes to thinking ...Maybe the trader knows something or is anticipating or has run out and doesn't have any for himself....Too many variables in this....

generals64] There is a lot of people wanting to tell the world..then they can tell their grandchildren stories....The Guru dudes and Dudettes...need to make sure it has happened before saying it...

Are you saying that this general64 person is not Wiley Morgan?

TRADE wrote:Ssmith, apparently some of you cannot understand what has been written in this thread. This was explained earlier. In the early inception of the group, the original reference was the KCIQD for public use. As it formed and others became a part of it changes were made to the public known referenced name. As the group involved from one dying to other changes, the referenced name in public evolved to reflect those changes.  Not hard to understand.

Ssmith wrote:

RamblerNash wrote:

TRADE wrote:rambler, Wiley Morgan nor Kcmana has ever said anybody was cashing out in southeast asia. What are you talking about

I'll post it again:

Generals64 Chat at MIG Mon. Morning

2/27/2012  

 
[generals64]No one really knows exact time or rate. It will probably be some one we least expect it telling us when it happens...the GURUs will be mad ...Until they
cash out. Some of the people I talk with (24 hours a day) have told me this is
really a good time frame anbegan explaininwhy...Madesensetme...LadyLeeLee...I have some REAL close friends in the CIA...REAL CLOSE...they
have missed it everytime. this will NOT be announced to the public ...it's a
banking decision....This will go to (please READ and REMEMBER)the Corporate
Banking Screens First....the executives of these banks will release it to their
 branches when they ARE TOLD to...

[generals64] I got excited when I first heard the 12.64 rate...want to know when I heard that?...Precious can agree or disagree with me as we talk every day at least once....I heard that rate almost a month ago...I have been listening to intelligence given by every department that would be involved....I still say the Federal Reserve has to have some say in the final approach.

generals64] newshound :...It's WileyMorgan...sorry if my spelling is bad...you guys I get calls all nite long...don't get to sleep much....I was given information at about 11:00 last night that there was a place in the Southeast Asia area cashing it out...they got excited but, he got nothing really...then they called again and told me he got a rate (won't tell don't ask) and it was too low in my opinion so I asked
the question what type of bank?...Oh no, it was a currency trader at the
airport...

generals64] So, the trader gives him a low rate and even though it's higher than he gave for it...Now inquisitive mind goes to thinking ...Maybe the trader knows something or is anticipating or has run out and doesn't have any for himself....Too many variables in this....

generals64] There is a lot of people wanting to tell the world..then they can tell their grandchildren stories....The Guru dudes and Dudettes...need to make sure it has happened before saying it...

Are you saying that this general64 person is not Wiley Morgan?

This quote -

"I was given information at about 11:00 last night that there was a place in the Southeast Asia area cashing it out...they got excited but, he got nothing really...then they called again and told me he got a rate (won't tell don't ask) and it was too low in my opinion so I asked
the question what type of bank?...Oh no, it was a currency trader at the
airport..."

is from the General64 Chat at MIG Mon. Morning  posted above. 

WHO WROTE IT?

Ssmith wrote:

RamblerNash wrote:

TRADE wrote:rambler, Wiley Morgan nor Kcmana has ever said anybody was cashing out in southeast asia. What are you talking about

I'll post it again:

Generals64 Chat at MIG Mon. Morning

2/27/2012  

 
[generals64]No one really knows exact time or rate. It will probably be some one we least expect it telling us when it happens...the GURUs will be mad ...Until they
cash out. Some of the people I talk with (24 hours a day) have told me this is
really a good time frame anbegan explaininwhy...Madesensetme...LadyLeeLee...I have some REAL close friends in the CIA...REAL CLOSE...they
have missed it everytime. this will NOT be announced to the public ...it's a
banking decision....This will go to (please READ and REMEMBER)the Corporate
Banking Screens First....the executives of these banks will release it to their
 branches when they ARE TOLD to...

[generals64] I got excited when I first heard the 12.64 rate...want to know when I heard that?...Precious can agree or disagree with me as we talk every day at least once....I heard that rate almost a month ago...I have been listening to intelligence given by every department that would be involved....I still say the Federal Reserve has to have some say in the final approach.

generals64] newshound :...It's WileyMorgan...sorry if my spelling is bad...you guys I get calls all nite long...don't get to sleep much....I was given information at about 11:00 last night that there was a place in the Southeast Asia area cashing it out...they got excited but, he got nothing really...then they called again and told me he got a rate (won't tell don't ask) and it was too low in my opinion so I asked
the question what type of bank?...Oh no, it was a currency trader at the
airport...

generals64] So, the trader gives him a low rate and even though it's higher than he gave for it...Now inquisitive mind goes to thinking ...Maybe the trader knows something or is anticipating or has run out and doesn't have any for himself....Too many variables in this....

generals64] There is a lot of people wanting to tell the world..then they can tell their grandchildren stories....The Guru dudes and Dudettes...need to make sure it has happened before saying it...

Are you saying that this general64 person is not Wiley Morgan?

This quote -

"I was given information at about 11:00 last night that there was a place in the Southeast Asia area cashing it out...they got excited but, he got nothing really...then they called again and told me he got a rate (won't tell don't ask) and it was too low in my opinion so I asked
the question what type of bank?...Oh no, it was a currency trader at the
airport..."

is from the General64 Chat at MIG Mon. Morning  posted above. 

WHO WROTE IT?

Ssmith wrote:"Ssmith, that was a conversation in 2012 that has been edited missing post, "Newshound" was a member that asked a question, in that post G64 answered a question, and then continued with his story.  And if you read it, he is mocking people that call it all the time with bs stories. He is explaining a call he received saying southeast asia, then he goes on to mock people that continue to do so, saying they want the fame of calling it, and should not put it out until they make sure it is really happening.    Not that hard to understand, unless your looking for something to twist to cause problems again"


Who is G64 - is it Wiley Morgan or the dude from Oklahoma?    "G64 answered a question"

TRADE wrote:

Ssmith wrote:"Ssmith, that was a conversation in 2012 that has been edited missing post, "Newshound" was a member that asked a question, in that post G64 answered a question, and then continued with his story.  And if you read it, he is mocking people that call it all the time with bs stories. He is explaining a call he received saying southeast asia, then he goes on to mock people that continue to do so, saying they want the fame of calling it, and should not put it out until they make sure it is really happening.    Not that hard to understand, unless your looking for something to twist to cause problems again"


Who is G64 - is it Wiley Morgan or the dude from Oklahoma?    "G64 answered a question"

G64 lives in Oklahoma,   Wiley Morgan is in KC, you met him.  2 different people.

ReapAndSow73 wrote:once again - thanks to the marvels of modern technology, one can simply do cursory research and uncover the fraud perpetrated on the masses. Combined with the fact that self-appointed gurus are never right, they are routinely being rounded up and indicted, and the basic understanding that there is no historical precedence for an RV, common sense dictates RV hopefuls should spend their energy serving a greater purpose for mankind.

Ssmith wrote:"12/20/2011  
 

From MIG:

[generals64] I've really quit posting but, through diligent studies it shows that ALL of Iraq's Revaluation/devaluation dtes and times have actually happened in the (CST) Afternoon. Also, Kuwait was at 3:15 on a Wednesday Afternoon....Just thought this was interesting

[generals64] Just so you guys in here know....Late last night...Late I was called and told (no questions don't want to get upset again) that ALL sanctions were officially removed but, they had to do as they were internationally told....Security etc. and Revaluing their finances."

These are pretty straight forward statements, so there isn't any question of them being taken out of context.


I wonder who is the author of them......  General 64 (dude from OK) or Wiley (dude from KC)? 

TheVet wrote:This is obviously a witch huntby Guru Hunters. My childhood friends Sam & Dean Winchester are hunters, currently they are battling the Darkness. Top that!!!

ReapAndSow73 wrote:

TRADE wrote:Reapandsow, and if you have done any reading, to address your 1st paragraph. For some reason you and others cannot grasp what has been said, or have completely ignored it. A final agreement cannot be put into place prior to a event happening, it would be a form of insider trading that is not allowed . So as been explained a thousand times if you look for it, when the banks can handle the dinar when it is international, the final contract will be presented and if approved, then the database will be handed over. Until that time, the database will not be handed over until the prior agreements are followed thru with. Hence why, no rate is known, until the time it goes international and what possible part of the spread will be offered to facilitate a large group of potencial customers. So you are correct there is not bindable agreement in place and the group has NEVER claimed there was. It was clearly communicated from day 1 that when the banking system was able to trade the dinar, that the group would be presented a contracted rate, if approved , the bank would acquire a large sum of potencial customers. Then those people that chose to explore that option would be communicated via email on the steps to schedule a appointment to explore what was offered, to accept it or walk away and explore other options. I just don't understand what is wrong with this situation that bugs so many of you. Is it the fear of the unknown, how hard can this be to grasp, if it ever happens you will have the ability to sit down and explore what is offered. Does not cost you a dime, does not hurt anybody, just another option to explore for your families.

What I am telling you is that no Letter of Intent can legally be in place for anyone.  This is the law.  It is not legal.  No bank would agree to it.  Not one single bank.  There can be no agreement OR LoI, because a LoI is a negotiable instrument.  You said it was a LoI, which implies something was written and signed/countersigned.  And I'm telling you no, this is not possible in any way, shape or form.  A final database will be handed over based on what?  some agreement that was discussed?  Someone worked out a deal with a bank?  Ask some of the folks in this forum what I do, and how I dispel rumors of contracts, contract rates, oil credits, etc.  Someone negotiated some deal w a bank on spreads, rates, fees...sorry, not possible.  It's a complete farce.  And winks form bank personnel are not binding in contract law.

The Generals64 group says that they don't put out hype about the RV, but this post says just the opposite. How many more lies has this group told you?

Ssmith wrote:I just wonder who has the list of emails.  Is it General 64?  Is it Wiley Morgan?  Is it KcMana?  Or maybe SweetQueen at Intel4U has them? Or maybe a squirrel or three shredded them and built a nest?  Or did Rosco the dog, eat them?

ReapAndSow73 wrote:1. Who has the emails?  The bank?  Was that the agreement?
2. Where is the agreement?  Who holds it?
3. Who is now head of Gen64?
4. What are the terms of the agreement?  Does it have an end-date?  Who signed it?

According to Wiley/KC Mana, a deal was negotiated on behalf of anyone who opted-in to this bank relationship.  So, without PoA, or providing the terms of the agreement, Gen64 acted as fiduciary with a bank on terms of a negotiable instrument, which falls under banking rules laid out by OCC and SEC.

So, unless Wiley or KC can answer any of the questions I've listed above, their unsanctimonious exit from Gen64 doesn't remove them from guilt or liability.