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A woman smokes marijuana during the 4/20 Rally at the Civic Center in Denver, April 20, 2014. (Reuters)

A pungent cloud of marijuana smoke will be wafting over many parts of Canada on Monday. Yes, it’s 4/20 again, the unofficial holiday that openly celebrates pot, reefer, ganga, weed, Mary Jane or whatever you like to call it.

In most places, though, you’re unlikely to see police swooping in to corral the tokers. Even though pot possession remains illegal, the narcs probably won’t be busting anyone except dealers.

Part of the reason is practical; charging dozens, if not hundreds of people is a logistical nightmare. Another part is a reflection of the times, the increasing tolerance, if not acceptance, of marijuana as a part of mainstream culture. It’s no longer on the fringe.

Despite the federal Conservative government’s determination to crack down on illegal marijuana use and sales, the drug has edged steadily out into the open.

Successive federal governments, including the current Tory regime, have been partly responsible by creating a regulatory framework for medical marijuana since the turn of the century. Leaving aside its scientifically untested benefits, the fact that Ottawa has stepped in to control who grows it and who can use it confers some legitimacy on its place in society.

In fact, there’s evidence the easing of attitudes towards marijuana is just the pendulum swinging back in the direction it came.

“In Victorian times there was cannabis tinctures used in huge amounts of over-the-counter medicines,” notes Zachary Walsh, a University of British Columbia psychologist who’s conducted research into pot’s medicinal and recreational use, including a current study on using it to treat post-traumatic stress disorder. “It’s been mainstream in various cultures throughout time.”

A [url=http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/SEN/Committee/371/ille/library/spicer-e.htm#A. History of Cannabis in North America]2002 report[/url] for the Senate special committee on illegal drugs noted U.S. states didn’t begin outlawing marijuana – in part because of worries it triggered hyper-sexual behaviour – until the early 1900s, with Canada following suit. Pot use was driven underground, only re-emerging with the counter-culture explosion of the 1960s.

I think we’re just seeing the very beginning of the mainstreaming of cannabis. I think within a generation it’ll be something as widely used as alcohol.
—Zachary Walsh, UBC psychologist

But the decades-long war on drugs has done little to stem the use of marijuana and other illicit drugs, nor banish pot from the culture. More widespread use of medicinal cannabis is allowing researchers to study the drug better to reveal potential benefits and drawbacks, said Walsh.

“The emerging appreciation of what cannabis is and isn’t, what it can and can’t do, is driven by accuracy,” he told Yahoo Canada News.

“I think we’re just seeing the very beginning of the mainstreaming of cannabis. I think within a generation it’ll be something as widely used as alcohol.”

Polls show Canadians support decriminalization or legalization

A variety of polls indicate a majority of Canadians favour legalizing possession and sale pot or at least decriminalizing its possession (meaning no charges). The numbers have been relatively steady, trending slightly upward. A July 2014 Angus Reid Global poll put support for outright legalization at 59 per cent nationally.

That support has risen as debate over legalization moved from the fringe to the political centre. Both main federal opposition parties favour either decriminalization or legalization, with strict regulation on sales.

A Leger poll conducted for The Canadian Press in 2002 suggested just over a third of Canadians favoured either decriminalization or legalization, said Christian Bourque, vice-president of the firm’s marketing and research group.

“I think that whole debate back then was so new that a lot of Canadians reacted that, well if it’s illegal it might not be good,” he said in an interview.

But Ottawa’s effort to regulate sales and use of pot for medical purposes seemed to open the door for its wider acceptance.

“Already we were seeing that as soon as you were in main urban areas across the country, acceptance of marijuana seemed to be fairly widespread,” Bourque said.

Bourque was involved in conducting Leger focus groups on cannabis as part of the Senate illegal-drugs committee’s work in 2002. There were signs then that Canadians were ready for decriminalization and possibly legalization in future, and that they were fatigued by the costly and apparently ineffective war on drugs.



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A Leger survey last fall found that, whether legal or not, about half the 2,000 Canadians surveyed agreed using pot was acceptable as long as minors were barred from using it, he said. That view prevailed among most age groups, dropping off only among those 55 and older.

“So you see that while acceptance of smoking socially at an event or a party or whatever as an adult is quite acceptable but then people put barriers very quickly against minors using it,” said Bourque.

The results suggests time is not on the anti-pot advocates’ side.

This attitude was reinforced by the reaction to Liberal leader Justin Trudeau’s revelation he’d smoked pot in the past. It caused hardly a blip in public opinion, said Bourque.

“Certainly the Conservative government tried to run a negative ad campaign surrounding that specific statement but it never took off,” he said. “It was something seen as fairly banal by Canadians.”

Police want fewer criminal charges for pot possession

Police, as demonstrated during 4/20 events, are also taking a more pragmatic approach. They haven’t embraced the Conservatives’ attempt to crack down on recreational pot sale and use.

In 2013, the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police (CACP) recommended officers be given the option of issuing violation tickets for simple marijuana possession.

“The CACP is not in support of decriminalization or legalization of cannabis in Canada,” Vancouver police chief Jim Chu, then the organization’s president, said at the time.

“It must be recognized, however, that under the current legislation the only enforcement option for police, when confronted with simple possession of cannabis, is either to turn a blind eye or lay charges.”

The latter option clogs up the criminal courts and a conviction leaves the person with a criminal record, Chu noted. The option to issue a ticket under a non-Criminal Code federal statute provides police with more flexibility, reduces the burden on the justice system and has a less devastating effect on the individual.

Rolling in the green

Perhaps the most intriguing shift in marijuana’s status is the willingness of the business community to see it as a potential investment opportunity. Entrepreneurs are putting money into medicinal pot production, essentially legal grow-ops, and other pot-related businesses.

“I would call it a step toward respectability,” said Werner Antweiler, chair of strategy and business economics at the UBC’s Sauder School of Business.

Antweiler likens it to the re-emergence of legal distilleries and brewers after prohibition was abolished in the U.S. in the early 1930s, though of course the pot market has been underground for a century.

“With marijuana we haven’t seen this type [of emergence] before because prohibition has been in place for a very long time, obviously,” he said. “But I think eventually we will actually see mainstream companies get interested in that.”

If major pharmaceutical manufacturers become involved, Antweiler said, that will open the door to a wider range of products with reliable quality and enough supply to meet the demand.

The early investors, meanwhile, are getting in on the ground floor of pot production in the hope that marijuana will eventually be legalized completely.

“I certainly think so that recreational use is magnitudes larger than the medicinal use,” said Antweiler.

Experience of pot-legal U.S. states being closely watched

On that score, everyone is watching closely what’s happening in U.S. states that have legalized pot. Colorado and Washington were the first, followed by Alaska, Oregon and the District of Columbia (where recreational use now is legal but sales are not). Several other states could follow suit.

Colorado, whose sales and regulation model was first out of the gate, is giving some indication of what to expect.

Legal pot hasn’t been the revenue bonanza for the state, in part because the high sales tax on recreational pot has sent users to medical pot dispensaries where the tax is far lower. But legalization also has not brought some kind of a-pot-calypse, either. Teen use is actually down, according to reports.

Legalization south of the border could remove one of the major impediments to changing Canadian law: The Americans would close the border.

Ahead of 4/20, marijuana losing its rebellious stigma, gaining more acceptance COBL701-1227_2013_134339_highMarijuana and cannabis-infused products are displayed for sale at a marijuana dispensary in Denver. (AP)

Bourque said Leger hasn’t yet measured the impact of the U.S. legalization trend on Canadian opinion but believes the American experience could bolster acceptance of decriminalization at least.

“It would then be a stepping stone towards a form of legalization and the state taking over when it comes to distribution, pretty much like we saw in Colorado,” he said.

No one’s sure what a brave new world of legalized marijuana might look like.

Walsh believes the availability of good quality pot for researchers to study will lead to breakthroughs in new therapeutic medications to treat moderate pain and promote sleep.

“We’re going to find out a lot more about how cannabis works in humans over the next decade or so,” he said.

“On the recreational side I think we may end up seeing some public health gains to the extent that cannabis reduces the use of alcohol and other drugs.

“Also, if it’s legal, you’re not going to see the shared marketplace with some other drugs, so people won’t be exposed to other drugs when they purchase cannabis.”

Antweiler said there are challenges in areas like regulation and financing (pot sellers in states where it’s legal have trouble banking their revenues because of federal laws).

In Canada the medicinal pot market remains chaotic. Users have filed constitutional challenges against new federal rules that forbid them from growing their own supply and Vancouver is wrestling with a proliferation of pot dispensaries, seen by some as problematic in residential neighbourhoods and a back door for recreational sales.

But these are seen as solvable problems by legal marijuana advocates.

“I’m optimistic,” said Antweiler. “We see the movement in the United States and there is an indication that there is a cultural shift going on in the United States in that direction.”

“The door’s opening up more widely. The question is how long will Canada wait before we’ll see some movement on that front?”

In many ways, the landscape for marijuana seems similar to that of same-sex marriage. For years the idea of legitimizing same-sex relationships through marriage was considered off limits.

Until suddenly it wasn’t.


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Post by Ponee Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:29 pm

Thanks for posting GG!  I am very interested in this topic!

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Post by chilimama Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:09 pm

I JUST WATCHED AN INTERVIEW WITH TOMMY CHONG AND HOW HE BEAT CANCER USING HEMP OIL. I ALSO KNOW SOME FAMILY'S THAT HAVE MOVED JUST SO THEY CAN GET THE MEDICAL HELP THEY NEED. IMO THERE ARE WAY MORE +'S THAN -'S FOR LEGALIZING MARY JANE.

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Post by Kevind53 Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:01 pm

Not so sure, at least not in it's unrefined form. The negatives are pretty significant, however some of the compounds do appear to have some significant positives.

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Post by RoyBoy Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:43 pm

I'm all for it , in some cancer it has very positive results . There is a-lot of information on You-tube for you to pick and choose.
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Post by Ponee Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:55 pm

I believe in my heart that my Uncle who passed last year at the age of 59 from Secondary Acute Myeloid Leukemia, which was triggered by the treatment he received for Multiple Myleoma in 2009 could have been saved with cannabis oil. 


I researched so much about it. I believe 100% that he could have been cured. Unfortunately, cannabis was not covered by insurance and he couldn't afford it. The world lost a great man last year because of the lack of progression in this area.

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Post by RoyBoy Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:07 pm

Ponee, there are certain strains of cannabis oil that can knock the socks out of certain illnesses. What is even funny is there is a set of brothers in hiding perfecting this out in Colorado waiting for the green light for when it dose become legal for certain treatments. Now this is rumor from what I was told. Also I think there is some people in England doing the same as the Colorado brothers are doing. This I do know as fact, our US govt has made a deal with Holland to be able to extradite any person or company group of people selling pot to any US citizen in Holland or selling seed to a US citizen starting Jan 2013. Talk about the US having a long arm grip. So if you want to buy a joint or bag in Holland at your near by coffee shop, just tell them your from Europe. The store keepers will not sell to a US citizen. What is even funnier over there, people all over smoke it every where in public and the stereo types you hear about over here is IMO a bunch of BS.
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Post by RoyBoy Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:09 pm

Check out Yahoo news today with what Willie Nelson is doing and then read the comments below lol


http://news.yahoo.com/music-legend-nelson-roll-own-brand-marijuana-140727846.html
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Post by Goldiegirl Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:59 pm

Just for you Kevin.

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Post by Goldiegirl Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:03 pm

@Ponee wrote:Thanks for posting GG!  I am very interested in this topic!
Ponee, I'm all for it. The gov't can make a tonne off this. Just look at the revenue Colorado is making. It will help with diseases and get the cops doing something else for change instead of busting people with a joint or two. Don't get me wrong, I don't smoke it, did as a younger person but I don't see the harm in legalizing it.

I know Canada will be next
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Post by Terbo56 Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:33 am

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Post by RoyBoy Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:38 pm

Looks like TNT Tony and Kevin might be having a tok-em party lol
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Post by Kevind53 Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:56 pm

Never touched that crap, never will.

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Post by Ponee Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:05 am

I have never smoked marijuana, but I do not put the hemp-cannabis oils, for medicinal purpose, in the same category as smoking a joint.  One is a recreational high.  The other,  has no intoxication properties.  There is a difference between compounds and chemistry. 

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Post by Kevind53 Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:23 am

No argument there, I stated more or less the same thing earlier, however what we are seeing is medicinal efficacy of some components being used to legitimize recreational usage.

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Post by Ssmith Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:24 am

Medical marijuana seems to have a lot of promise.  From what I hear, Denver isn't so happy w/the decision they made.
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Post by Kevind53 Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:04 am

Nope, lots of accidents and other "incidents" linked to usage. Plus, since they apparently did not consider how to define "under the influence" and what levels in the blood constitute impairment, they don't have much a a leg to stand on legally.

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Post by Ssmith Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:06 pm

I've heard pedestrian accidents are way up, among other things.  The pot now days isn't at all like the '70s.  A good analogy would be 3.2 beer vs. Everclear.
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Post by Terbo56 Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:34 pm

Indeed- Remember 'Tai stick'? 'Acupulco' Gold?
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Post by Kevind53 Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:37 pm

From my reading. much less potent than some of the stuff out there today.

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Post by Goldiegirl Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:03 am

The issues that Denver is having is with tourists and not locals. I saw the interview on TV with the Denver Major. He said crime had not changed and that life was pretty much the same. The tourist that flock there to smoke up are the issue. Even the tour buses need some kind of restraint.  I'm sure they are working on those laws as we speak.



Frankly I don't really care if the smoke today is worse then back in the 70's.  I'm not interested in buying, as I like my martini's or wine too much to drift back in time, but I will say Colorado is making a shit load of money with taxes from this and there is no way they will pull the plug. That's why other states and other countries are looking at this idea. Gov't making money options.  For me, I think it's better than constantly raising taxes.


Lets face it the pot heads will always be there. The dealers will always be there.  If people want to smoke it they will get it. Medical use or not. I think there is medical MJ law  here in Canada in my area as I know someone who has a doctor's note for it but I think he can't afford it...lol....

Kevin nobody is asking you to smoke it.  Nobody is asking you to drink either but if people want it it's not up to you to decide.



As for me, I don't see it being any worse then alcohol and as for a legal limit, I would gather using any pot puts you under the influence  and driving a vehicle should be an arrest. No limit for smoking a joint.  From what I remember of my days, smoke a couple of tokes and you're there. I don't remember the more you smoke the higher you are.  I don't recall having half a joint and being ok to do much of anything. Maybe I just don't recall because I smoked it... Ahead of 4/20, marijuana losing its rebellious stigma, gaining more acceptance 3508649203



Terbo I remember the name Acapulco Gold.   :winky winky:

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Post by Terbo56 Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:21 pm

That was some excellent ganga, 'eh? Tai-Stick, along with Alcapulco Gold was some of the best you could ever get your hands on!! Ah, the 1970's-
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Post by Goldiegirl Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:28 pm

1978 to be exact...


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Post by Terbo56 Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:35 pm

After the smoke fest, we weren't thinking, that was the issue back then-We probably didn't know any better, let alone care!!! It was a memorable experience, though, and shared good times with all that participated!! We did some really, crazy-assed shit, but, hey, those were the times, when we had too much time on our hands-Remember, idle hands were the devil's backyard!!!
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Post by Goldiegirl Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:39 pm

We had fun. It was an experience and nobody got hurt. It was the times and I don't regret anything I did.  I turned out well, at least I think so.  A solid contributer to society and the govt's pension...


:juggle: free love and all that baloney.


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Post by Terbo56 Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:46 pm

Yes, indeed!! BINGO!!! Ahead of 4/20, marijuana losing its rebellious stigma, gaining more acceptance 3508649203 happydance
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Post by Goldiegirl Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:50 pm

Terbo did you have one of these?

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Post by Goldiegirl Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:52 pm

I love this sign.

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Post by Terbo56 Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:58 pm

No, I had an old 1962 Ford Galaxie 500 4-door sedan- Hauled a load of people though, 4 in the front and four in the back no problem-The trunk itself would hold 4 bales of good stuff,along with the spare tire and jack- It would pass everything but a gas station, but nobody would pass me if I didn't want them to-It had a 352 4 barrel Thunderbird V8 engine with dual 'talk at you's' in the back- {Dual Exhaust pipes with Cherry bomb glasspack mufflers}-  Google 1962 Ford Galaxie, and you'll see what I mean!!You could land a 'Huey' helicopter on the hood-
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Post by Goldiegirl Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:24 pm

I didn't drive back then. Good thing I think.  Ahead of 4/20, marijuana losing its rebellious stigma, gaining more acceptance 3508649203 


I also wanted one of these one day. I'm still hoping that if any money is made on this Dinar I can waste a  little money, buy one have it restored then have it painted this color



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Post by Terbo56 Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:29 pm

I collect diecast cars and trucks and do have a beetle van, and the pickup truck, in 1/64 scale, about 3-4 inches long-I always wanted a VW bus, and will have one, one of these days- I love old cars and things like that, and have a little over 400 diecast models of them, most are still in the packages they came in- Johnny Lightning, Hotwheels, Matchbox, other names too numerous to mention here-
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Post by RoyBoy Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:03 pm

GG: Saw one one these 2 years ago in Amsterdam or in Holland, mom and pop was driving it pulling a baby travel trailer down the freeway. The extended bus was very rare . Yes they go back a few years ago. lol
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Post by RoyBoy Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:13 pm

I have never drank Scotch , never will and I do not condone people that do. My view is very simple, enjoy life as long as you do not hurt or bother other's in the process. I am sure there is a law about drinking certain herb teas the indians drink for a high or to take a trip or talk to their Gods, whatever they do, I could care less as long as they keep it to themselves. and don't push it onto me.
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