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Post by Ponee Sat May 17, 2014 11:39 am

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05/17/2014

 
(Thanks to Patience for sending this chat to us )

[Pilgrim] lulu YES, JUST GO BY THE CONSTITUTION

[lulu] Oh I forgot the courts are sworn to the queen as in the queens court

[lulu] Court lawyers from the bar everywhere are sworn to the queen

[Jester] lulu YOU MADE ME COME IN.... I WILL LIKE TO SEE WHERE YOU SAW THAT IN IN PRINT AND A REAL REFERENCE... BECAUSE... THAT IS AN URBAN DINAR LAND LEGEND....

[Jester] I LOVE THIS STUFF.. PEOPLE TAKE WHAT THEY HAVE SEEN AND MAKE IT SO... HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THE REAL "BAR" COMES FROM?

[Jester] bar 1) n. collectively all attorneys, as "the bar," which comes from the bar or railing which separates the general spectator area of the courtroom from the area reserved for judges, attorneys, parties and court officials.
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A party to a case or criminal defendant is "before the bar" when he/she is inside the railing. 2) v. to prevent some legal maneuver, as in "barring" a lawsuit due to the running of the time to file. 3) to prohibit and keep someone from entering a room, building, or real property.

[Jester] The use of the term bar to mean "the whole body of lawyers, the legal profession" comes ultimately from English custom. In the early 16th century, a railing divided the hall in the Inns of Court, with students occupying the body of the hall and readers or benchers on the other side. Students who officially became lawyers crossed the symbolic physical barrier and were "admitted to the bar".[1] Later, this was popularly assumed to mean the wooden railing marking off the area around the judge's seat in a courtroom, where prisoners stood for arraignment and where a barrister stood to plead. In modern courtrooms, a railing may still be in place to enclose the space which is occupied by legal counsel as well as the criminal defendants and civil litigants who have business pending before the court.

[Jester] A bar association is a professional body of lawyers. Some bar associations are responsible for the regulation of the legal profession in their jurisdiction; Others are professional organizations dedicated to serving their members; in many cases, they are both. In many Commonwealth jurisdictions, the bar association comprises lawyers who are qualified as barristers or advocates in particular, versus solicitors. Membership in bar associations may be mandatory or optional for practicing attorneys, depending on jurisdiction.

[Jester] THREE DIFFERENT PLACES I JUST GOT THAT FROM... IT IS ANOTHER DINAR LAND TIN HAT BS DIVERSION TO GET THE ATTENTION OF THE UNSUSPECTING.... HAHAHAHA

[Jester] YOU ALL MUST KEEP THIS IN MIND... FOR ALL THE THINGS THEY RIGHT DOES TO INFLUENCE AND SHEEPLE YOU ONE WAY... THERE IS NEARLY AS MANY OVER THE LINE THE OTHER DIRECTION TRYING TO DO THE SAME THING...
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[lulu] Jester than please elaborate on the use the fringe flag and admiralty law

[Betsy Ross] We are turning into Myth Busters LOL

[Jester] lulu THAT IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT STORY... AS REGARDING THE CORPORATION... I HAVE A LINK.. HOLD ON... I WILL GRAB IT FROM MY FB PAGE... WHERE YOU SHOULD HAVE READ IT ALREADY IF YOU HAD CHECKED ALL THAT OUT... GRRRRR.....

[lulu] I appreciate your thoughts because I am under the impression the courts have been usurped as well

[tpw] Jester and they get paid to practice win or lose lol

[lulu] Jester all I do is read but it gets depressing

[Jester] lulu WELL MAYBE YOU ARE NOT READING THE RIGHT STUFF... I DO NOT GET DEPRESSED... KNOWLEDGE IS POWER...

[lulu] Why do you think so much has been hidden

[Jester] YOU CAN READ ALL YOU LIKE ABOUT THE REPUBLIC VS THE CORPORATION ON THIS SITE... AND IT COVERS THE FLAG.... USAvsUS

[Jester] lulu I DO NOT THINK THE COURTS HAVE BEEN USURPED... THREATENED MAYBE... PAIN OF DEATH AND FAMILY AND ALL THAT... BUT I BELIEVE THEY HAVE POWER TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE...

[Ted] Jester Jester you mean the gold fringe flag ??

[Jester] Ted PLEASE GO CHECK IT OUT...

[Ted] Jester ok

[GodsGurl] Jester what do you think of Diddykong's e-mail?

[Jester] GodsGurl HAVE NOT SEEN IT...

[DiddyKong] Jester Karen Hudes, the attorney representing Wolfgang Struck, travel to Japan!

[DiddyKong] Jester Wolfgang Struck, the signatory of the vast amount of the worlds wealth, not in circulation, legally begotten. Yet held for humanity, with instructions it be released to the individual countries, was recognized at the recent Economic Summit held in Bathsheba, Maryland April 11,12,& 13, 2014,

[DiddyKong] Jester Wolfgang Struck,represented by the esteemed Lawyer Karen Hudes, former chief council for the World Bank from 1986- 2007. Both are meeting with Japanese representatives this week of May 11-15 to initiate the countries gold allotment.

[DiddyKong] End

[lostintx] Jester, good evening and thank you for your time. I'm having to relearn everything about this endeavor. It's like trying to retrain your 14 year old dog who's deaf and blind lol

[DiddyKong] Jester got it in an email. It was an update on the status of the gold release petition:
http://www.change.org/petitions/on-the- ... er_message

[lulu] Thank you jester I saved that, would you mind explaining your view on admiralty law versus common law by the way hi

[Jester] DiddyKong YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT STUFF WHEN IT CANNOT BE CORROBORATED AT ALL... NOT SURE I AM BUYING INTO THE WHOLE WOLFGANG THING... BUT THAT IS BECAUSE I HAVE INFORMATION IT IS GOING ANOTHER WAY....NO ONE PERSON IN MY OPINION HAS THE FATE OF THE WORLD IN THEIR HAND...

[DiddyKong] Jester understood.

[Jester] lulu I COULD READ YOU WHAT IT SAYS IN THE LINK I JUST GAVE YOU... OR YOU COULD READ IT YOURSELF... IT IS ALL THERE... I WOULD CHALLENGE YOU ALL TO GO COMPLETELY THROUGH THE SITE I JUST POSTED AND GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF IT ALL....

[lulu] Challenge accepted

[Jester] DiddyKong I AM NOT POO-POOING YOUR INFO... I JUST FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE ONE GUY HAS THE KEY TO THE WORLD...

[Jester] IF HE REALLY DID THE WORLD WOULD BE KNEELING DOWN AND GETTING THEIR STUFF TOGETHER...

[DiddyKong] Jester lol I get what you are saying. I personally like to know all information I can gather regarding the gold release is all

[Jester] DiddyKong THERE IS A LOT OF PONTIFICATION REGARDING THE GOLD... IT IS A VERY HARD THING TO PUT YOUR FINGER ON....

[DiddyKong] Jester wait a sec, and what do you mean going the other way? Sorry for the late reaction, just caught on to that part lol

[RoseRedTyler] Jester what is your opinion of Karen Hudes, do you think she is the white knight she tries to portray?

[Mudbone] Jester. This is probably way off topic but I wanted to ask the next chance I had to jump in. How does the action of devaluing a countries currency value improve their export advantage? If you don't want to go there now I understand. Thanks

[Jester] AND I SINCERELY DOUBT THAT KENNEDY HAD A BUNCH OF DOLLARS MADE WAITING TO BE RELEASED TO THIS DAY... KENNEDY WAS NOT ON OUR SIDE... ANOTHER URBAN LEGEND THERE IF YOU CARE TO DO THE RESEARCH... WOULD TAKE ME A WHILE TO PULL IT UP BUT HE WAS NOT KILLED BECAUSE OF ALL THAT FROM WHAT I HAVE RESEARCHED.... WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION ONE NIGHT HERE IN THE ROOM... IF YOU LIKE I WILL GO TRY TO PULL UP THE REFERENCES...

[Jester] THAT KENNEDY THING WOULD TAKE A BIT OF TIME TO LAY OUT... BUT I HAVE IT....

[GodsGurl] Jester any valid trn news today?

[Jester] GodsGurl JUST THE NORMAL RUMORS...

[lulu] Jester why do you think he was murdered?

[Jester] lulu MOST PEOPLE THINK HE TRIED TO ISSUE AN EO TO ISSUE THE CURRENCY TO MOVE US AWAY FROM THE FED... NOT SO TRUE IF YOU DO THE RESEARCH...

[GodsGurl] Jester thats what i like about you if there is something we need to know we can trust you’ll let us know

[Betsy Ross] Jester and you gave us some of that info not too long ago

[Jester] Betsy Ross YES I DID... THANK YOU FOR REMEMBERING...

[lulu] Jester I thought it might be because he wanted to dissolve the CIA

[Jester] WE WILL GO THERE FOR A FEW... BUT ALL THIS WILL DO IS PROVE THAT YOU MUST NOT TAKE THE VIEW YOU WILL LIKE TO HEAR JUST BECAUSE IT FITS WITH WHAT YOU ARE HOPING WILL BE THE TRUTH...

[Jester] HERE IS WHAT THE OPPOSITION TO THE GOVERNMENT WILL LIKE YOU TO BELIEVE...

[Jester] On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. President Kennedy's Executive Order 11110 gave the Treasury Department the explicit authority: "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the treasury."... Perhaps the assassination of JFK was a warning to all future presidents not to interfere with the private Federal Reserve's control over the creation of money

[Jester] THE PROBLEM IS.. THAT IS PRETTY MUCH AN URBAN LEGEND... IT IS WHAT IT IS... THE TRUTH IS DIFFERENT...

[Jester] THE EXECUTIVE ORDERS If you look at a copy of EO 11110 you will find that it does not order the issuance of Silver Certificates. It orders an amendment to EO 10289. If you then look up EO 10289, you will find that it says: The Secretary of the Treasury is hereby designated and empowered to perform the following-described functions of the President without the approval, ratification, or other action of the President.

[Jester] Those functions did not include the power to issue Silver Certificates. The purpose of EO 11110 was to add that power to the list. The exact wording of the Order was: Executive Order No. 10289 of September 19, 1951, as amended, is hereby further amended (a) By adding at the end of paragraph 1 thereof the following sub paragraph (j): (1) "The authority to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury."

[Jester] BTW.... THIS IS ALL WRITTEN BY THE GUY THAT WROTE "THE CREATURE FROM JEKYLL ISLAND"... SO IT IS A PRETTY GOOD SOURCE...

[Jester] Therefore, my statement in The Creature from Jekyll Island is correct. EO 11110 did not order the printing of Silver Certificates. It ordered the amendment of a previous executive order so that the United States Code would authorize or "empower" the Secretary of the Treasury to issue Silver Certificates if the occasion should arise

[Jester] The occasion did arise between January 1963 and October 1964 with the issuance of 768 million of the 1957B Series, which carried the signatures of Kathryn O'Hay Granahan and C. Douglas Dillon. This was the smallest issuance since 1935, and it was the last. .Please remember, however; that, EO11110 did not order the issuance of these certificates. It merely authorized the Secretary of the Treasury to do so, which is what happened.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Certificate

[Jester] SO KEEP IN MIND THAT JFK DID NOT DO THIS... THE UST DID...

[Jester] The following additional explanation was contained in a 1996 report from the Congressional Research Service at the Library of Congress: What E.O. 11110 did was to modify previous Executive Order 10289, delegating to the Secretary of the Treasury various powers of the President. To these delegated powers, E.O. 11110 added the power to alter the supply of Silver Certificates in circulation. Executive Order 11110, therefore, did not create any new authority for the Treasury to issue notes; it only affected who could give the order, the Secretary or the President.

[Jester] THIS IS 1996.... KEEP THAT IN MIND... WAS PAST THE REALITY OF WHATEVER ELSE HAPPENED...

[DiddyKong] Jester Mind blown!!!!!! PLOW..... gives more credit to the thought that Pres there after have been puppets and won't go against the "master" plan

[Jester] HERE IS THE PART THAT YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE AS IT EXPOSED THE URBAN LEGEND...

[Jester] Ironically, the purpose of the order and the legislation was to decrease the circulation of Silver Certificates, with Federal Reserve Notes taking their place. As economic activity grew and prices rose in the 1950s and early 1960s, the need for small-denomination currency grew at the same time that the price of silver increased. The Treasury required silver for the increasing number of Silver Certificates and coins needed for transactions. But the price of silver was rapidly approaching the point that the silver in the coins and in reserve for the certificates was worth more than the face value of the money. To conserve on the silver needs of the Treasury, President Kennedy requested legislation needed to bring the issuance of Silver Certificates to an end and to authorize the Fed to issue small denomination notes (which it could not at that time). The Fed began issuing small denomination notes almost immediately after the legislation was passed. And in October 1964, the Treasury ceased issuing Silver Certificates altogether. If anything, E.O. 11110 enhanced Federal Reserve power and did not in any way reduce it." (See "Money and the Federal Reserve System: Myth and Reality," by G. Thomas Woodward, Specialist in Macroeconomics, Economics Division, Congressional Research Services, Library of Congress, CRS Report for Congress, No. 96-672 E, July 31, 1996.)

[Jester] Let's put this issue into perspective. The proponents of the JFK Myth assert that Kennedy was assassinated because he was about to issue Silver Certificates, thereby denying the bankers their customary interest payments on the nation's currency. However, the reality was just the opposite. Previously, the President could have issued Silver Certificates on his own authority; but, with the signing of EO 11110, he delegated that authority to the Secretary of the Treasury. At that time, the Secretary of the Treasury was Douglas Dillon from a well-known and powerful banking family. That means Kennedy surrendered the power to issue Silver Certificates and gave it to a member of the banking fraternity who could do with it as he pleased "without the approval, ratification, or other action of the President." Dillon, of course, would have strong motive to preserve the dominance of Federal Reserve Notes. The theory that Kennedy was getting ready to issue Silver Certificates is without evidence or logic.

[jackinback] Jester Seems they needed to blame the game on someone....Make sure it wasn't clear who could give the green light to make any change

[Jester] DO YOU SEE WHERE WE HAVE MAYBE BEEN MISLEAD BY AN URBAN LEGEND HERE???

[Jester] LET'S MOVE ON TO ANOTHER LEGEND JUST FOR THE SAKE OF COMPLETELY RESOLVING THIS ISSUE...

[Jester] The Christian Common Law Institute has exhaustively researched this matter through the Federal Register and Library of Congress. We can now safely conclude that this Executive Order has never been repealed, amended, or superseded by any subsequent Executive Order. In simple terms, it is still valid.

[Jester] THAT IS PRETTY MUCH BS... HOLD ON...

[Jester] This is not supported by the facts. The power granted to the Secretary of Treasury to issue Silver Certificates was rescinded on September 9, 1987, by Executive Order 12608, signed by President Reagan. The official purpose of the Order was stated as "Elimination of unnecessary Executive orders and technical amendments to others." It did not affect EO 11110 directly but did affect the parent EO 10289 - along with 62 other executive orders. That is how paragraph (j) was amended to remove the power in question. This Order can be found in its entirety in the Federal Register 52 FR 34617

[Jester] YA GOTTA DO THE PROPER RESEARCH... IT IS WHAT IT IS...

[RoseRedTyler] Jester Thank you

[Jester] ONE MORE THING TO THINK ABOUT....

[Jester] The picture is blurred by the fact that the Treasury did issue United States Notes in the same year as EO 11110 (1963) but, as discussed further along, U.S. Notes are not the same as Silver Certificates. Furthermore, their issuance had nothing to do with EO 11110. It was mandated by an 1868 act of Congress, which required the Secretary of the Treasury to maintain the amount of U.S. Notes outstanding at a fixed level. This did not originate with JFK and, in fact, he probably had no deep understanding of it. It was a routine matter initiated by the Treasury merely to replace worn and damaged specimens of older Notes in order to comply with the 1868 law. Apparently some of these new Notes did get into circulation but were quickly snapped up by private collectors. They never became a significant part of the money supply and, in fact, were not intended to

[Jester] I WILL ADMIT I HAVE TRIED TO CONFIRM THE AMOUNT OF CURRENCY REQUIRED TO BE IN CIRCULATION BY THE UST "AT FIXED LEVELS" ... AND I HAVE HAD A HARD TIME COMING UP WITH THAT INFORMATION.... BUT IT IS APPARENTLY OUT THERE SOMEWHERE....

[jackinback] Jester Good stuff there Sir!

[Jester] IT MAY BE THAT IT IS SIMPLY IN THE COLLECTIONS OF PEOPLE HERE AND THERE AND THAT FOLLOWS THE RULE OF THE LAW BUT IT IS NOT ACTUALLY IN CIRCULATION NOW...

[Jester] I HAVE MORE... HAHAHAHAHA

[Betsy Ross] Jester go for it!

[Jester] SILVER CERTIFICATES VS. U.S. NOTES These facts alone should be enough to settle the matter, but there is yet one more point of confusion to be cleared up, and that involves the difference between Silver Certificates and United States Notes. In monetary terms, a Note means a promissory note. A Note is any financial instrument that states in clear and unambiguous terms who is to pay what to whom on what date. All four elements must be included. [See Ewart, James E., Money (Seattle, Principia Publishing, 1998), pp. 27-29.] Therefore, any paper currency that displays a statement such as "The United States Treasury will pay to the bearer on demand twenty dollars in silver coin" is a Note. A Silver Certificate is just one form of a Note. Other forms existed in the past and included Bank Notes, United States Notes, Gold Certificates, and even Federal-Reserve Notes in those by-gone days when they were backed by gold.

[Jester] Earlier issues of U.S. Notes displayed printed statements to the effect that (1) the bearer could redeem them (2) at the Treasury (3) on demand (4) either for dollars or a specified weight of gold or silver. During those years, a dollar was defined by law as 371.25 grains of pure silver, which was the amount contained in a One-Dollar silver coin. The law also provided that the metal could be in the form of coins, dust, nuggets, plate, or bullion. Therefore, whether the phrase printed on the currency promised dollars, silver, or gold, it ultimately meant precious metal in one form or another - usually coin. Since there was nothing ambiguous about that, those U.S. Notes were true Notes in the legal sense because they contained all four elements of a promissory note.

[Jester] This tradition began to change in the late 1960s and, since about 1971, U.S. Notes have become very ambiguous, indeed, about what can be redeemed for them. The former clearly written contracts have now been replaced by random, unconnected phrases such as The United States of America; Twenty Dollars: This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private. These words look official and impressive but, in terms of a contract to redeem the currency for something of intrinsic value, they have no meaning at all. Silver Certificates once were a promise to deliver silver. U.S. Notes now are a promise to deliver taxes and inflation.

[Jester] Even in 1963 when EO 11110 was issued, there were important legal and technical differences in the regulations that governed the issuance of Silver Certificates and U.S. Notes. These words were not used interchangeably. Regulations pertaining to the issuance of Silver Certificates could not be applied to the issuance of U.S. Notes, and vice versa. When EO 11110 authorized the issuance of Silver Certificates, it said nothing about U.S. Notes. The subsequent issuance of U.S. Notes, therefore, had nothing to do with EO 11110. And that is the point of this analysis. Without that understanding, one cannot grasp the significance of the JFK executive orders.

[Jester] YIKES.... DOES THAT MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE URBAN LEGEND IS JUST THAT... PEOPLE LIKING TO MAKE YOU THINK THERE WAS A BIG CONSPIRACY AROUND JFK ASSASSINATION REGARDING THE FED?

[Aunt B] Jester yes thank you

[lulu] Jester what about firing Hoover and dissolving the CIA

[Jester] lulu DIFFERENT STORY....

[lulu] Jester I think the more legends we eliminate the closer we get to the truth

[alfonse] "Splinter the CIA and scatter it to the winds." JFK

[lUcKyB] Your hand out a Mean case MR J .. but i still fully believe together the Government or at least LBJ Had him wacked . a old boy wrote a book . and it stated that LBK has like 60 Billion that was unTaxed ,, and couldn't account for it and bobby got wind and dropped the dime to his big brother .. was getting ready to start an investigation on this factor ..

[LH] Jester Makes you wonder if they feed these kinds of things to keep people occupied with conspiracy's while do what ever they want

[Jester] Shown above is a 1966 United States Note. Its existence proves, beyond question, that it is an absolute myth that no U.S. Notes were issued after the JFK assassination and refutes the theory that JFK was killed because he ordered U.S. Notes taken out of circulation and that, upon his death, his successor, Lyndon Johnson, reversed JFK's order. Final Judgment demonstrates that JFK's order had nothing to do with U.S. Notes whatsoever. Although the Kennedy family did oppose the Federal Reserve and ultimately intended to challenge that monopoly, the myth about “JFK's Greenbacks” has muddied the waters in the debate over the JFK conspiracy and it is a myth (in which so many have vested so much wishful thinking) that simply refuses to go away, the facts notwithstanding.

[Jester] CANT SHOW YOU THE PICTURE OBVIOUSLY... BUT IT IS FACTUAL...

[Jester] AND I AM NOT SO SURE HOW MUCH THE KENNEDY'S INTENDED TO TAKE ON THE FED EITHER... JUST ANOTHER OPINION....

[Truth] Jester hard to know what to believe. Thanks for helping us get to the facts.

[lulu] Jester certainly his father was part of the cabal

[Jester] President Kennedy was not assassinated for being anti-Fed. I don't know how much more clearly that can be said. His death on November 22nd, 1963 was a sad tragedy, but it had nothing to do with any stupid and baseless Executive Order silver certificate conspiracy.

[Jester] The Library of Congress' Congressional Research Service dispelled this nonsense in a 1996 report, "Money and the Federal Reserve System: Myth and Reality" (CRS Report for Congress, No. 96-672 E) by G. Thomas Woodward. Explains Woodward about the EO 11110:

[Jester] HOW FAR YOU GUYS LIKE TO GO NOW? HAVE I CONVINCED YOU? I CAN KEEP GOING A WHILE IF NEEDED...

[Betsy Ross] I'm convinced.

[Jester] HERE IS THEIR TAKEAWAY I WILL LIKE YOU ALL TO GET FROM THIS.... NO MATTER WHAT YOU HEAR IT IS POSSIBLE TO DO RESEARCH ON IT... AND IF YOU CANNOT FIND WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR THEN PROBABLY YOU ARE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE IS TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU OF THAT IS BS...

[Mudbone] Reviewing The Creature From Jeykll Island. Every time we wanted to go to war we came off of coin so we could print money from thin air to pay for it. Long before JFK

[grace2beme] Was JFKs father part of the cabal?

[Jester] grace2beme THEY ALL WERE... BUT THAT IS ANOTHER STORY TOO...

[lUcKyB] Old Joe Kennedy was a bootlegger ,, he was a gangster

[grace2beme] Really

[alfonse] grace2beme He made their fortune smuggling Liquor during the depression

[Jester] And for the record, no, President Lincoln wasn't assassinated for trying to get rid of the Fed either which wasn't created for another half-century after his death. The best way for the free banking, sound money, anti-Fed, pro-gold, pro-Bit-coin, whatever advocates to succeed is to denounce the antisemitism and debunk baseless conspiracy mongering of the idiots trying to latch on to our issues.

[Jester] JUST SAYING.... HAHAHAHAHA

[grace2beme] Some people are willing to do anything to get what they want!

[Mudbone] Old Joe had aspirations for Joe Jr to be president.

[alfonse] Mudbone yes

[Jester] Thomas Edison was once quoted in the New York Times as saying the following.... That is to say, under the old way any time we wish to add to the national wealth we are compelled to add to the national debt. Now, that is what Henry Ford wants to prevent. He thinks it is stupid, and so do I, that for the loan of $30,000,000 of their own money the people of the United States should be compelled to pay $66,000,000 — that is what it amounts to, with interest. People who will not turn a shovelful of dirt nor contribute a pound of material will collect more money from the United States than will the people who supply the material and do the work. That is the terrible thing about interest. In all our great bond issues the interest is always greater than the principal. All of the great public works cost more than twice the actual cost, on that account. Under the present system of doing business we simply add 120 to 150 per cent, to the stated cost. But here is the point: If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill. The element that makes the bond good makes the bill good.

[Jester] SUCKS BEING US... I AM TICKED OFF ABOUT IT...

[grace2beme] Right

[Jester] Our current debt-based monetary system was devised by greedy bankers that wanted to make huge profits by creating money out of thin air and lending it to the U.S. government at interest. Sadly, the vast majority of the American people have no idea how money is actually created in this nation.

[LdyFaith] Jester,,, is all greed,,,,and why you say dinarland is no different than America,, condensed version

[lUcKyB]    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy,_Sr

[Jester] LdyFaith AND THAT IS THE FACT... UNFORTUNATELY THAT IS THE WAY I SEE IT... DINAR LAND IS NO DIFFERENT... THE ONES TALKING ARE DOING THE TAKING ADVANTAGE... THEY ARE THE CABAL IN A SENSE...

[Jester] SO ANYWAY... I GUESS THAT IS A LOT OF INFO FOR TONIGHT... HATE TO BE BRINGING THE BS... SOMETIMES IT IS NOT POPULAR.... BUT AT LEAST IT IS THE TRUTH....

[LdyFaith] Jester,,,, I have been thinking that for awhile now,, ,, when you said it I almost fainted

[Jester] LdyFaith YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF WHOSE SIDE ARE THEY ON ANYWAY? HAVE THEY HELPED YOU AT ALL? OR HAVE THEY HELPED THEMSELVES?

[Jester] EVEN JUST THE DANG DONATIONS... IMAGINE HOW MANY NEEDY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN MISLEAD INTO GOING THERE...

[Jester] IT SUCKS...

[Jester] OH WELL.. NIGHT NIGHT EVERYONE.... SEE YOU TOMORROW FOR MORE TRUTH AND BS BUSTING AT JP... HAHAHAHA

***** LINKS *****

Republic vs. Corporation http://www.usavsus.info/

http://www.change.org/petitions/on-the- ... upporter_m

US Silver Certificate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Certificate

Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy,_Sr
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Post by Ponee Sat May 17, 2014 11:41 am

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Here you see examples of what is wrong with research today...
People look in one place, usually WikiPedia, and think they've done research. That site is rife with errors, introduced by the basic fact that ANYONE can write for it, and ANYONE can edit existing copy.



And sites like SNOPES.COM are run by regular people, not experts with any authority, and in that particular case, people with a strong (left-leaning) political bent.


Research takes more than a quick Google search...

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Post by Kevind53 Sat May 17, 2014 10:19 pm

Jester is a fool, and I don't need Wikipedia to tell me that.

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