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Post by Ponee on Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:17 pm

New Investment Scam: Buying the Iraqi Dinar
Apr 6, 2010 / By John Jagerson
New Investment Scam: Buying the Iraqi Dinar Iraqi-dinar



The Iraqi dinar “investment” opportunity — a scam that has been around for a few years — has recently been regaining much of its former popularity.



The opportunity is pitched as a way to profit from a nearly worthless Iraqi dinar that is “sure” to appreciate in the future. The scammers promise that millions of dollars in profits are virtually guaranteed if you buy the dinars at today’s values (about 1,000 dinar to $1) and then exchange the dinars back for dollars at a later date once the dinar exchange rate has improved.



There are, however, some fundamental problems with the Iraqi dinar scam that potential buyers should be aware of before they begin investing in one of the most illiquid currency markets in the world:



Lack of registration



It is illegal in the United States (and most other major economies) to market an investment without appropriate securities registration. The scammers get around this requirement in two ways: First, it is technically legal to sell hard currency for its numismatic value. In other words it is possible to sell hard currency as a “collector’s item.” Second, some dealers will register with the U.S. Treasury as a Money Service Business (MSB).



Registering as an MSB is something that dinar dealers will do to put on the appearance of registration and government oversight. However, the difference between a legitimate MSBs and dinar dealers is that real MSBs are not marketing an investment.



So ask yourself: If a business has to lie to get around registration, is it really making a legitimate offer?



Dinars are sold on misleading hype



The potential value of an investment in dinars is often illustrated with references to what happened to the Kuwaiti dinar following the first Gulf War and the German deutschmark following World War II. These would be good examples, except that neither was a free-floating currency at the time, so their value was mostly a function of policy making and official currency management.



It is also a fact that no rational investor would base an investing decision on two instances of past data (one more than 60 years in the past) without considering all the times this investing strategy did not pay off.



Will the Iraqi government pursue a policy of currency appreciation in the future? Since an appreciating currency makes funding your brand new government and paying off past debts more expensive, it seems unlikely. An economy in Iraq’s situation is more likely to experience a currency crash or intentional devaluation.



Many dinar dealers refer to the value of the Iraqi dinar prior to the 1990 Kuwaiti invasion (1 dinar = $3+ US Dollars) as evidence that the potential for the dinar is theoretically unlimited. They don’t mention that the pre-1990 dinar has been demonetized (worthless) and that its value was arbitrarily set by an autocratic regime led by Saddam Hussein. Following the embargo, the ability for the Iraqi government to manage its currency’s value collapsed and it spent the next 10 years at 2,000 – 3, 500 dinars to the U.S. Dollar.





Investment risks they won’t tell you about



Assume that you are determined to “invest” in dinars despite the shadowy and misleading dealers you will have to work with. You should be aware of the following risks.



1. Liquidity
There is currently no active market for dinars. You can buy them but can you sell them? We surveyed several dealers and found that the difference between what you can buy dinars for and what you can sell them for is approximately 20 percent. This means that the dinar will have to appreciate by at least 20 percent before you could sell the currency back at break-even. It is worth noting that since the new dinar was introduced after the U.S. invasion it has only appreciated about 23 percent total.



2. Currencies with extremely low values are often demonetized
It is quite common for countries with currencies that have very low values compared to other currencies to demonetize their existing hard currency and issue new currency with new values. For example, the Venezuelans (another oil economy) demonetized the bolivar (trading at 2,150 to the USD) in 2008 and allowed currency owners to exchange 1,000 of them for 1 new bolivar. The new bolivar now trades at 2.15 to the USD.



3. Inflation
Currently the Iraqi Central Bank is reporting monthly inflation rates that range between -4% (negative) to 8%. If the government and economy become more unstable than they are at present, those inflation rates could skyrocket. Hyperinflation destroys the value of hard currency. By the time the Turkish government revalued, in 2008 the lira had inflated to 1.5million lira to the USD



The bottom line



This is an investment opportunity marketed by unregistered advisors to mostly unsophisticated currency investors. No risks are disclosed and past information is fabricated or modified to make the opportunity look better than it really is. This investment is a gamble at best.



New Investment Scam: Buying the Iraqi Dinar was provided by Learning Markets, which offers daily articles, videos and investing guides – for free – about everything from investing in stocks and options to trading currencies in the forex market and more.



https://www.mint.com/blog/investing/iraqi-dinar-scam/

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Post by RoyBoy on Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:05 pm

Book em Dano!!!!!
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Post by silkysand on Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:49 pm

 In other words it is possible to sell hard currency as a “collector’s item.” Ok, so if this is the case, then For all of us which purchased dinar from First Texas National Bank can make some noise for selling us an \"collectors Item"?..(unless my understanding is missing a gap)..Their foreign currency dept sure has a way of doing business then, cuz I didn't get no certificate of authenticity with my bundle lol.  All I got was a receipt for the equal amount of exchange $$ at the current IQD rate. wrote:Big NO-NO 

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Post by Ponee on Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:55 pm

You made me laugh Silkysand !! LOL !!! It is nice to laugh at all that goes around about dinar.... Makes it easier to wait. Sometimes I get so frustrated.

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Post by silkysand on Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:59 pm

@Ponee wrote:You made me laugh Silkysand !! LOL !!! It is nice to laugh at all that goes around about dinar.... Makes it easier to wait. Sometimes I get so frustrated.
I'm sorry lolol I just had to vent a little of what goes on inside this little head of mine  bigsmile

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Post by Ponee on Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:09 pm

DON"T BE SORRY !!!!  I LOVED IT ! Vent ANY TIME you feel like it !

This article is from 3 years ago... I wonder where they are now and what they think now....

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Post by Kevind53 on Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:32 pm

Well it is the blog from Mint.com, so at least they don't have any skin in the game. Mint.com is a personal finance management program. They were bought out by Intuit a while back.

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Post by Ssmith on Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:41 am

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Post by Ssmith on Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:43 am

Whoops.  Above link is a follow-up interview to this one:


http://dinardouchebags.blogspot.com/2012/01/interview-with-john-jagerson.html
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