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Post by wpsmit Thu Jan 02, 2014 3:13 pm

I know we don't deal with political stuff here much, but this concerns something that I have believed for a long time and I feel so strongly in that I am going to get involved in at the County and/or State level

PLEASE READ AND FOLLOW LINKS - I urge all Conservatives and Liberals alike to get involved in this effort. I think that both groups as well as Libertarian and any other groups agree on one thing. Our Congress is broken. As soon as a Representative or Senator is elected, rather than taking care of the country (you and me), they start campaigning for their reelection. As a result nothing can ever get done. Do you really want Nancy Pelosi to be leading our governing House of Representatives for another 8, 12, 16, 20 years, or until she's in her 90's? I'm sure that I don't. Join in this movement today. Sorry for the length of the post, but it is important enough to spend time educating yourselves.

Thanks for letting me speak.....wpsmit


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Article 5 provides the option for amending the Constitution without the approval of Congress. When requested by 34 States for a specific topic, an Article 5 Convention is convened. At the Convention the Amendment is presented. If ratified by 38 States, it becomes part of the Constitution without ANY INVOLVEMENT OR APPROVAL FROM THE US CONGRESS.


THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT

No person shall serve as a member of the United States Congress for a total number of years exceeding 12 throughout his or her life.

Upon ratification of this amendment, a current member of the United States Congress, whose total number of years in the United States Congress exceeds 12, shall be allowed to complete the existing term for which he or she has been previously elected. Said allowance for completion of the existing term shall not justify exclusion for the member from actions beyond the scope of this Amendment that lead to termination from the United States Congress prior to the completion of the existing term.



In the Gallup Poll released in January, 75% of people said that they would vote for imposing Term Limits on the US Congress. Combining this with the US Congress’s approval rating being at an all-time low of 9%, we can feel confident that the majority of Americans will agree with what we are doing.

Here is the link to the game plan we have pinned to the top of our page:
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There are a number of factors that came into play when drafting the Amendment. As would be expected with such a diversified culture, not everyone could be pleased. We trust that after reading the articles attached to the images being linked below that you will have an understanding of both the length of the blanket term chosen and the reason why more of the many changes, which quite a few of us would have liked to have seen included, were left for future battles.
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As you read in the articles, there are quite a few factors that had to be integrated. It must be incredibly simple. The more details, the more support we will lose.

It must be a number that integrates perfectly with current States’ Legislations and Article 1 of the Constitution. Forcing States to change their election cycles and legislation will be costly and will reduce the number of States willing to take this forward. Always keep in the back of your mind; we need 34 States to request the Convention and 38 out of 50 States to ratify this. AND, there is no law that requires a State Government to request an Article 5 Convention, regardless of how many people petition. We have to petition the State Governments and “sell” this Amendment to them.

Right now the numbers of years per term are 2 years in the House, 4 years for the Governor, and 6 years for the Senate (with each Senator on a separate group election cycle). Together, these term lengths and cycles provide an integrated system for the States.

We don’t want to damage the Senate term length and election process. As referenced above, the current division of the Senate into 3 election groups ensures that at all times 2/3’s of the Senate have 2 or more years experience. In a crisis, the last thing we need is to have an equal or majority of the Senate in the learning curve or both Senators from any given State in the learning curve at the same time.

Experience is a necessity. We all see it in our daily lives and jobs. The same holds true for Congress. We don’t want a revolving door where those making the decisions have no experience. But, we also don’t want to provide such a loose maximum number of years that it becomes a career.

With all that being said, 12 years seems to be the best choice. 12 years integrates perfectly with all the existing election processes, so there is no new cost or legislative changes needed at the State level and no change required to Article 1. It doesn’t damage the 3-group Senate election process, thereby maintaining the necessary experience in the Senate at all times. It allows for two full terms in the Senate, which again allows for experience without establishing a career. And it provides a length that allows a member of the House to move into the Senate for a term.

Now you have seen the Amendment, followed the link to and read the Game Plan, and read the 10 FACT articles.

You know what we are doing, how we are doing it, and why.

The remaining question is whether you want to sit by and watch or whether you choose to join us and be part of the answer to fixing this dysfunctional government.

Term Limits for US Congress
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Post by Horizon Thu Jan 02, 2014 3:21 pm

I believe there should be term limits! Right now I believe they should wipe the slate clean and start all over again with new people that have never been there before!!!  coffee 

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Post by wpsmit Thu Jan 02, 2014 3:38 pm

Don't know if we can start all over, horizon, but if this movement can catch on we can in a term or 2 get rid of all of them. This imo is the only way to turn this mess around...get rid of all career politicians and elect people who want to try and make a difference in 1 or 2 terms

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Post by Kevind53 Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:31 pm

While I absolutely agree with term limits, I see a couple of things that concern me. First of all, once a constitutional convention is called, there is absolutely no way to limit it to the original reason, the entire Constitution, and all amendments, INCLUDING the Bill of Rights is up for grabs.

Second, the term stated for Governors is incorrect. Here in Vermont, the governor serves a two year term as does New Hampshire. That would not effect the proposed legislation, but it is a lack of attention to detail that causes me concern. In addition, some states elect their governors on off year cycles. Actually, come to think of it, what do governors have to do with it in the first place? They are state, not federal offices, and most governor's offices already have term limits.

Make no mistake, I am totally for term limits and have been so for years, however I am concerned that this effort may not have been well thought out.

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Post by wpsmit Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:48 pm

I agree with you, Kevin, I don't believe that  a House member's term is just 2 years either - I believe it is 4. Nonetheless, we've got to start somewhere. The people in office are darn sure not going to kill the goose that lays the golden egg, so we the people have to do what we can. I want to do a bit more research on this whole subject. Perhaps they need you and me and others here to get involved and make it more straightforward.

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Post by al be Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:53 pm

wpsmit wrote:I know we don't deal with political stuff here much, but this concerns something that I have believed for a long time and I feel so strongly in that I am going to get involved in at the County and/or State level

PLEASE READ AND FOLLOW LINKS - I urge all Conservatives and Liberals alike to get involved in this effort. I think that both groups as well as Libertarian and any other groups agree on one thing. Our Congress is broken. As soon as a Representative or Senator is elected, rather than taking care of the country (you and me), they start campaigning for their reelection. As a result nothing can ever get done. Do you really want Nancy Pelosi to be leading our governing House of Representatives for another 8, 12, 16, 20 years, or until she's in her 90's?

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Post by Jayzze Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:06 pm

while i agree there should be limits but for real change there must be other laws to go with this or it does not matter. here are a few foreign gov donating money to sway the outcome of elections. next  major companies donate tons of dollars for certain canadtes so they can push there products. ban all loboyists. all of the above mke sure the wealthy stay weathy and mid class gets shafted and the poor it does not matter get a free ride
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Post by wpsmit Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:12 pm

al be wrote:Nancy Pelosi is the Antichrist.
Sorry, al be, I must disagree with you, as bad as she is she is not the anti Christ because Barry Soetoro is the Anti Christ for sure.

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Post by Kevind53 Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:16 pm

wpsmit wrote:I agree with you, Kevin, I don't believe that  a House member's term is just 2 years either - I believe it is 4. Nonetheless, we've got to start somewhere. The people in office are darn sure not going to kill the goose that lays the golden egg, so we the people have to do what we can. I want to do a bit more research on this whole subject. Perhaps they need you and me and others here to get involved and make it more straightforward.

No, the term for Representatives is two years. They are correct about that.

My biggest worry is the constitutional convention part. Once that can of worms is opened, it could easily be hijacked by socialist progressives to accomplish their objective. Constitutionally, once a convention is called, everything is on the table. We could wake up to find our constitutional rights removed.

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Post by wpsmit Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:25 pm

Thanks, Kevin, I sure was confused about that. And you know, if the Fathers of our Country had not given their revolt a shot, we would undoubtedly be having tea and crumpets at 3:00 every afternoon.

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Post by catman Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:56 pm

I totally agree with Kevin about a Constitutional Convention.  There are plenty in the PTB that would just love to get a crack at changing the constitution.  You would see a total revamp on the 1st, 2nd, 4th an 5th amendments.  There are those who would do almost anything to get rid of those little roadblocks to total power.  I lived in Connecticut and they had a state constitutional convention.  The governor at that time said he wanted to do away with the county government system an they told him he couldn't do that.  At the constitutional convention they did away with county government.

If they want to pass another amendment, they better stick to the hard way, or there may be some nasty surprises.
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