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Post by nwrichard Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:52 am

The person who introduced me to the Iraqi Dinar as an
investment has introduced me to another investment. As I am a bit anal retentive, I always like
to do a bit of research before I get involved.


To date this person has never been wrong. He always stressed the speculative nature of
the Dinar investment. This one he has
been able to show me results already. My
problem is I can’t believe my eyes. Even
though it has not yet RV we are both optimistic it will soon.


Has anyone heard of a legitimate investment that pays 10%
weekly? If you have, I would very much
appreciate any information you have on it.



From what research I have been able to do it appears it has
been around for a few years and seems to be for real. Still, there is more safety in a multitude of
counsel.
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Post by Guest Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:59 am

NWRichard, sounds intriquing, however, I am unclear on your question.

Do you want ideas on investments that pay 10% weekly? Are you asking about a specific investment that you don't want to mention or do you want us to ask what it is? In the second paragraph, are you talking about the IQD RV or another currency?


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Post by nwrichard Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:07 am

aim88,
Sorry if there is confusion. The second paragraph was meant to show only that I believe the veracity of what the person who got me involved in the dinar says and that we both still believe the RV will happen soon.

It's not so much that I want ideas on investments that pay 10% weekly, I wanted to know if anyone had heard of a legitimate one already in existence. I did not mention the name or link of what he shared with me so as to not influence an answer. I thought if this is as legitimate as he says it is then someone else surely must have heard of it and will mention it by name, giving credence to his information. If I was wrong in my thinking, let me know and I will mention the name and give a link.
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Post by Guest Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:10 pm

Sounds like a reasonable request. You'd have to ask the powers that be on this site if you can mention the name and link. I don't know the rules.

Let me ring some bells and maybe someone else will chime in. :carolers:

Yuuuu hoooooo.......Anyone care to give NWRichard some feedback? :carolers:

Where is everybody? Christmas shopping?



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Post by Terbo56 Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:31 pm

He should pm anyone that is interested, that way it won't be basketed by the other mods, and they frown on info that has the 'intent to advertise'-Wink
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Post by Guest Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:51 pm

That's what I thought. Thanks, Terbo56.

Now that's something you can take to the bank, NWRichard. Haha. Good luck with your investment!


Me, I gotta go shopping.... :reinderr:


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Post by nwrichard Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:16 pm

Thank you aim88
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Post by SEBtopdog Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:40 pm

10% WEEKLY return? Nah.....Not unless you're the mafia lending hard money. Sleuthing appriciated 3508649203 Seriously, that sounds WAAAAAAY too good to be true.

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Post by Guest Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:38 pm

NWRichard, is it a network marketing company?

Those usually don't pan out unless you're the first few people to get in when the momentum is high, but then they poop out. People on the bottom always lose their investment.

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Post by nwrichard Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:27 am

Aim88,
It is not a network marketing company. I have found out a little more, but hardly any verifiable (by me at least) unbiased information. I am slowly sifting through the info and running spread sheets to at least try to verify the accuracy of what I am seeing and hearing.

I am a bit slow at these things and am never rushed. It took me about 6 months of research to get into the dinar.
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Post by doodoo Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:35 am

I'm trying to find something now to answer your vague description

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Post by Terbo56 Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:40 am

How about 'Boris and Natasha'? They always try to frig up Moose and Squirrel-Sleuthing appriciated 41607043alien
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Post by nwrichard Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:30 pm

Thank you doodoo
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Post by IQD4US Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:54 am

I sent you a PM - but you never replied. I do research - and alot of it. If it is positive - it might be hush hush because people don't want to share - but boy - if there is any negative - I WILL find it for you - and fast....
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Post by nwrichard Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:30 am

Hi IQD4US,
Just checked my PM section and yours did not make it in. Would you be so kind as to resend it?

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Post by nwrichard Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:58 pm

I want to thank those who contacted me with information. In the end I could not find the amount of information I wanted so the only way to find out the veracity of the claims is to participate. The cost is low, the verification will not take long, the risk in my opinion is minimal, the end result remains to be seen. I will know post haste if it is true or not.

While I find out, I am always hopeful for the speedy RV of the Dinar.
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Post by IQD4US Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:10 pm

resent the PM
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Post by SEBtopdog Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:20 pm

Hey folks, please share with us when you get more info. We'll be curious to know how you do. If you're able to successfully invest at a 10% weekly return, nwrichard, we'll applaud your business investment acumen. Personally, I don't have the intestinal fortitude for risky investments any more. Sleuthing appriciated 1518825670

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Post by Guest Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:56 pm

Me neither, Sebbie.

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Post by Terbo56 Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:01 am

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Post by IQD4US Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:55 pm

if you are not getting my PM's - just click on my name and chose contact.
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Post by Guest Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:52 pm

Call me CURIOUS, because now I am...WHAT IS IT ?

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Post by IQD4US Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:24 pm

1) A pyramid - and states som on the site.

2) Every company they accept payment of your "deposit" from is on the naughty list.

3) Any deposit over $500 is held for 270 days of investment - after 180 days banks won't investigate to return as fraudulent or misrepresented.

I gave my prelim - but it will go unheeded. A person could make more profit on doing a short term loan the same way the company is - and has no collateral backing besides new investment money. There is still a risk.

Fortunately this first investment made is small money short term - but unfortunately it is the hook for a larger investment in the future.

As far as receiving 1st had account of loss - most people will not own up to losing money in this manner after the first time someone says - "oh no - you didn't invest with them did you" - It causes the embarrassment that prevents them from "advertising" thier loss.

My very sound advice here - run like heck.
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Post by Terbo56 Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:35 pm

WOW!!! I guess that's all talked over- I can't run too fast, but I do have a quick pickup truck!!!affraid
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Post by Guest Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:10 pm

@IQD4US wrote:1) A pyramid - and states som on the site.

2) Every company they accept payment of your "deposit" from is on the naughty list.

3) Any deposit over $500 is held for 270 days of investment - after 180 days banks won't investigate to return as fraudulent or misrepresented.

I gave my prelim - but it will go unheeded. A person could make more profit on doing a short term loan the same way the company is - and has no collateral backing besides new investment money. There is still a risk.

Fortunately this first investment made is small money short term - but unfortunately it is the hook for a larger investment in the future.

As far as receiving 1st had account of loss - most people will not own up to losing money in this manner after the first time someone says - "oh no - you didn't invest with them did you" - It causes the embarrassment that prevents them from "advertising" thier loss.

My very sound advice here - run like heck.

VERY GOOD SLEUTHING, IQD4US!! And very good Reader's Digest sum-up. Thank you! Sleuthing appriciated 2834342768

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Post by nwrichard Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:13 pm

Sorry I don't see it that way. In fact it does not say anywhere on the site it is pyramid. Here is what it says so all can see it.:

Profitable Sunrise is a Private Savings and Lending program. The
founder, Roman Novak, started about 11 years ago with a Payday and Title
Loan Company. About 7 years ago, Roman saw a need for quick short term
loans; He started with investors of $200,000 or more to make a pool for
short term loans to businesses. Banks typically take, 30 to 45 days;
too long to issue loans that are only needed from 6 days to 6 months.
The funds from the Term Savings Plan deposits are used to fund loans
from $50,000 to $22,000,000. The principal and interest for the term
loans are secured with 200% in hard assets for collateral, also 70% of
the loan is bonded and the remaining 30% is insured by Lloyd’s of
London.

The Home office is in London, England. The banking is out of New Zealand. This is a Private Club….
The current business model started over a year ago, allowing smaller
investors to reap returns that are usually only available to wealthy
investors….



The Private Program that we are involved with was started for
charities and non-Profits. Our program is set up at 2.15% per business
day on the principal and accumulated interest in the account. You may
start the Private Plan with as little as $10….


A $100 deposit grows to $3719 in 8 calendar months or 37 times the
investment if the interest is compounded and no funds are added to the
account during the term. At 2.15% interest compounding, the deposit
doubles every 33 business days. Without the compounding, the available
balance would surpass the deposit in 47 business days. Additional funds
may be added at anytime during the term of the Private Plan without
extending the term….

The
Long Haul, 240 business day program is available for enrolment until
March 1st, it earns 2.7% until Easter, when 50% of the accumulated Long
Haul balance goes into the available balance for either investment into a
private program, gifting or for withdrawal. The program then continues
for the remainder of the 240 business day cycle at a 2.35% rate for the
remainder of the term, about 11 and a half Months. There is a $500
minimum investment to start the Long Haul program. It closes to new
accounts and deposits on March 1st….



The money in the Private and Long Haul term accounts may not be
withdrawn until maturity, at 170 or 240 days respectively. Only the
funds in the available balance may be withdrawn. To get funds into the
available balance shut off compounding in the 2.15% Private Plan or
introduce friends and acquaintances to the program. The referral
commissions accumulate in the Available Balance. Compounding may not be shut off in the Long Haul plan.…


The available balance is where withdrawals and gifting may be made
from. The funds in the Private and Long Haul programs are not available
until the terms are over; at the end of the term, the accumulated
balance is moved into the available balance for withdrawal, gifting
and/or reinvestment….

A common question I hear at this point is: How is this possible?....
It is simple math concerning compound interest…..
Let’s look at The rule of 70.
Take 70 divided by the interest rate [2.15]. That equals 32.55... So
every 32.55 business days [since it is a daily rate] the principal
doubles. When You take 340 days [2 terms of 170 days] divided by 32.55
days you get the number of times the principal doubles. From $1
invested, in 32.55 days you have $2, then the next 32.55 days $4, then
$8, and subsequently $16, $32, $64, $128, $256, $512, $1024. That is
doubling one dollar 10 times over a 326 day cycle. You can take the
amount of money initially deposited in the Private account and multiply
it times 37.2 to see about what you would have in about 8 month’s
calendar time…..

340days divided by 32.55 days doubling time = 10.44 times the money will double in two 170 term plans.....

On the loan side; the company loans money at 2.6% to 3.3% seven days a
week. That is up to 23% interests without compounding. The company
may not have 100% of the depositors pool of funds loaned out every day
but they still make a profit over what they pay out to the depositors…..



At this time the plan is; when the savings/loan pool reaches 1.5
billion dollars the Profitable Sunrise Club will be closed to new
enrollment and continue to grow with the investors enrolled prior…..



There is a referral program. When you get friends or family to
join, there is a 5% commission paid to you for their participation. If
someone you enroll joins with $1000 in the Private Plan you would get
$50 from the initial deposit + $1809 from the $36,198 dollars in
interest payments over the next 8 months if the interest is compounded
for the duration of the term. In the Long Haul the minimum commission
would be $6905 from a $1000 dollar deposit over the next 11.3 month
term…..



You receive 2% from Your referred friends members; when they refer
participants there is a 1% bonus for the funds deposited into the
accounts…..


Funding and Withdrawals may be done with wire transfers or e-wallets…..
This is an unsubstantiated email one of my downline got referring to Profitable Sunrise….
My personal Sponsor has had Profitable Sunrise investigated by Sitting Judges, Brokers and Bankers…..
After they investigated; THEY ALL JOINED. And these are all professionals who REFUSED to join Zeekler Rewards.
The
Bankers say they are completely familiar and comfortable with the
Business Model, because they use the SAME tactics in their Banking
Business!!!....




Most others from Zeek, say they have replaced their Zeek income in a couple of months…..
ZERO cost to join; and ZERO monthly expense.
Referral commissions on 3 levels.
It
is completely legal because the monies are structured as "Loans."
Loans are perfectly legal for ANYONE to participate in. Tax forms even
have places for loans to be reported; income from loans, as well as
losses from "bad" loans.





This Christian based Charities Group
has a Private Savings Plan that [size=21]pays
10% per
Week
In This Private Program
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Post by Terbo56 Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:21 pm

It's something to think about-I'll let you know-
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Post by Guest Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:55 pm

As the shark tank guys say, "I'm out."

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Post by IQD4US Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:03 pm

There is a referral program. When you get friends or family to
join, there is a 5% commission paid to you for their participation. If
someone you enroll joins with $1000 in the Private Plan you would get
$50 from the initial deposit + $1809 from the $36,198 dollars in
interest payments over the next 8 months if the interest is compounded
for the duration of the term. In the Long Haul the minimum commission
would be $6905 from a $1000 dollar deposit over the next 11.3 month
term…..


You receive 2% from Your referred friends members; when they refer
participants there is a 1% bonus for the funds deposited into the
accounts…..


HENCE - PYRAMID

And again - ALL the companies that they accept payment through ARE on the "naughty list"

AND - After 180 days - there is NO RECOURSE through your bank to recover funds.

I just lost my second case even after an extended brief requested by the judge. Thats 2 since 1986. Sorry man, it does not meet the common sense test.
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Post by Terbo56 Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:13 pm

Well, then, I'm thinking you haven't got to tell me twice- Thanks anyway, IQD4US- Your knowledge and insight is unsurpassed! Thanks again!Sleuthing appriciated 369611Sleuthing appriciated 3804957407
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Post by nwrichard Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:37 pm

Thank you all for your insight. I don't see it as a pyramid, I see it as a private savings and lending program that happens to pay members if someone decides to participate. In no event can anyone expect to get rich from such a small amount. The meat and potatoes is the compound interest they pay. I took a chance on the Dinar and to date have nothing to show for it but a pretty looking wall paper. No profit, can't event spend the principal. With this I have already seen growth. I made more profit off of the interest paid in one day on $10 than I did in over three years waiting for the RV.

But as they say, the proof is in the pudding. I am willing to wait the 8 months to see if I get my principal and interest into my banking account. Then as far as I'm concerned all is settled. If I can't get it into my banking account, then all is settled as well.

I will let all know in 8 months.

A Merry Christmas and Happy New year to all. Perhaps it will RV before the 8 months is up, then I can celebrate twice.
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