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PostSubject: Where all this nonsense comes from...   Sat Aug 26, 2017 5:29 am

Roger Elvick is/was one of the main originators of all this nonsense.
This link is to an article from 2005.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2005/his-straw-man-free-scammer-finds-rest-him-isnt

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Roger Elvick claims he has liberated his "straw man," a secret doppelganger created by the U.S. government to capture the economic value of U.S. citizens.
As the creator of the "Redemption movement," a bizarre fusion of conspiracy theories and financial chicanery, Roger Elvick claims he has liberated his "straw man," a secret doppelganger created by the U.S. government to capture the economic value of U.S. citizens who, according to the Redemption doctrine, have unknowingly been sold into slavery to a Jewish-run international banking cabal.
But while Elvick's straw man is free—at least in his own mind—the rest of him is back in prison.

This is the wikipedia entry on the "Redemption Movement"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redemption_movement
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The redemption movement consists of supporters of an American conspiracy theory[1] called redemption theory, which involves claims that when the U.S. government abandoned the gold standard in 1933, it pledged its citizens as collateral so that it could borrow money. Other similar theories claim this collateral action happened in 1913 with the establishment of the Federal Reserve System. The movement also asserts that common citizens can gain access to funds in secret accounts using obscure procedures and regulations. The redemption movement is related to the sovereign citizen movement.[2]


Another article on the Redemption Movement:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Redemption_movement

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Results of actually trying to apply this in a court of law



As with all pseudolaw, attempting to put any of this into practice will assure that the user will have a bad time. At the very best, a claimant can be fined for attempting to produce this conspiracy's arguments for, quite frankly, wasting the Internal Revenue Service's time[2]; at worst, pushers of this quackery can be convicted of fraud.[3][4][5][6][7][8]

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While it has since largely died since Roger Elvick was convicted of criminal conspiracy and (shockingly) tax evasion, the basic tenets of the movement lived on to plague the virtuous. Since then, it has spawned several similar "nuh-uh the government can't control me and taxation is theft" groups. The only two ones that gained any traction are the freeman on the land movement (which claims that similar birth bonds exist in Canada, the UK and Australia and that citizenship is just legal fiction) and the sovereign citizen movement (which ditches any pretence of being about anything that isn't paying taxes).

from the encyclopedia of American Loons:
http://americanloons.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/648-roger-elvick.html
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Roger Elvick is one of the most prominent frontmen of The Redemption Movement, a group of hardcore conspiracy theorists who claim that when the U.S. government abandoned the gold standard in 1933 the government pledged its citizens as collateral so that the government could borrow money (or some variant thereof). In addition, citizens can gain access to funds in secret accounts using obscure procedures and regulations and thereby get rich in a hurry through loopholes they don’t want you to know about (yet have somehow failed to close).

Oh, and by the way, Sean David Morton actually has a wikipedia page!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_David_Morton
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Securities fraud charges

From 1996 to 2010, Morton ran Delphi Associates Newsletter (DAN), a print and online publication in which he made economic, financial and political predictions. In 2001, Morton predicted that the Dow Jones Industrial Average would rise to somewhere around 12,000 in December. The index actually ended at 8,341.[2] In 2007, he founded The Delphi Investment Group to allow investors to profit from trading in world currencies based on his predictions.

On March 7, 2010, Morton and his wife Melissa were charged with civil securities fraud.[5][9] He is alleged to have defrauded around 100 customers of $6 million between 2006 and 2007.[1] According to the SEC, only a fraction of the money received by Morton went into foreign exchange trading accounts and the rest was placed in shell companies run by Morton and his wife.[10]

In 2009, Morton attempted to file suit against the SEC, claiming that he was being unfairly harassed by employees. The suit was dismissed.[9]

In February 2013, Morton was ordered by a judge to pay $11.5 million to the SEC within 14 days.[11][12]

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PostSubject: Re: Where all this nonsense comes from...   Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:49 am

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PostSubject: Re: Where all this nonsense comes from...   Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:45 am

Of course, for the truly deluded, anything and everything just feeds into their delusion: all this information is just further proof of how the Cabaaaal is trying to cover up the truth.


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PostSubject: Re: Where all this nonsense comes from...   Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:08 pm

There will be an update on the wiki page for Sean David Morton a.k.a. Awaken3d when he gets his sentence and the additional time for running from the law.


http://www.dinardaily.net/t66530-sean-david-morton-update-8-24-17
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