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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:23 pm

once again - thanks to the marvels of modern technology, one can simply do cursory research and uncover the fraud perpetrated on the masses. Combined with the fact that self-appointed gurus are never right, they are routinely being rounded up and indicted, and the basic understanding that there is no historical precedence for an RV, common sense dictates RV hopefuls should spend their energy serving a greater purpose for mankind.
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:27 pm

TRADE wrote:
reapandsow,  their is no fraudulent things going on, all were clearly explained that when it is tradable that instructions would be then be communicated on what steps to participate if you choose to. The email was the communication line that will be used to pass that info. A person can take the option to explore it and see if it fits there families situation or ignore it and explore other options on exchanging. My god, their was or is nothing to lose

Nope.  That's incorrect.  It's not an opt-in program when someone negotiates on your behalf - did you sign on the line that was dotted?  No?  Were you a party to the contract?  No?  Did you grant power of attorney?  No?  Then all you have is a compilation of email addresses and a he said/she said. Not one, single financial institution under purview of FTC would ever negotiate/sign anything on behalf of a group not party to a contract.  Hate to break the news to you, but you've been hosed.
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:29 pm

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TRADE wrote:
ssmith, I pulled my old email updates and this is all I can give to show original origin.

From: KC IQD Group [kciqdgroup@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:07 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:

Then later

From: KCMana [iqdgroup@generals64.info]
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 12:41 PM

Then later
From: KCMana [iqdgroup@generals64.info]
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 3:11 PM
Subject: Generals64/Studley Bank Group QUARTERLY Update

Care to share what the body of the email said?

generals64.info registry whois


Updated 1 minute ago - Refresh
Domain ID: D46053747-LRMS
WHOIS Server:
Referral URL: http://www.psi-usa.info
Updated Date: 2016-02-08T20:45:08Z
Creation Date: 2012-04-05T22:40:47Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2017-04-05T22:40:47Z
Sponsoring Registrar: PSI-USA, Inc. dba Domain Robot
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 151
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
Registrant ID: PSIU-16511233u
Registrant Name: Domain Admin
Registrant Organization: Hush Whois Protection Ltd.
Registrant Street: Suite 1 Mec Complex Avenue d Aroha
Registrant City: Providence, Mahe
Registrant State/Province: SC
Registrant Postal Code: 10001
Registrant Country: SC
Registrant Phone: +24.8013508441
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax: +24.8013508441
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: @hush.sc
Admin ID: PSIU-16511233u
Admin Name: Domain Admin
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:30 pm

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Nope.  That's incorrect.  It's not an opt-in program when someone negotiates on your behalf - did you sign on the line that was dotted?  No?  Were you a party to the contract?  No?  Did you grant power of attorney?  No?  Then all you have is a compilation of email addresses and a he said/she said. Not one, single financial institution under purview of FTC would ever negotiate/sign anything on behalf of a group not party to a contract.  Hate to break the news to you, but you've been hosed.

 So basically what you are saying is that people just handed their email over to someone under false pretenses.
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:36 pm

SSmith, if you were a part of the group at the early beginnings the qtrly and monthly updates did explain all those situations. The public meeting held in the fall of 2014 in KC also informed the group that G64 was no longer attached. What I said, is the relationship with the bank and the setup with them, is known differently by name then what was used in the public format. It does not matter, over 6 years many things have changed, the opportunity is that when the time comes, members will be communicated thru email from WF, on directions on how to participate in the option , that's it, nothing harmed. If you want to explore what will be offered then explore it. That is all that was setup. and the people that registered, have made the decision to have that information communicated to them to explore. If not ignore the email and choose other options.
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:46 pm

Wiley said:


"we built a group, built a database and negotiated a deal, so many talk as if they are leaders of the group and pass along bad information"


I would like to know what is the "deal" that was negotiated?  Or has that changed also?
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:47 pm

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reapandsow,  a high rate, don't remember ever a rate being discussed, again, apparently your reading false claims of rates in dinarland,  none of which is coming from the group. Yes, you are correct , the massive overprint is a problem, and any high rate claims out there do not support it. But again, you may not also be privy or in the circles that could be eliminating the over print involving the IMF. And as said by him, the rate is unknown , no prenegotiated rate is legal, there is a LOI in place for the business relationship and when it is known the leverage of the group may get the exchange a piece of the spread because of a volume agreement. Whether that is 25 cents plus 2 cents on the spread, nobody knows until the final rate is put into place by the BIS and it is international. 

The whole problem with everybodies assumptions is that false information or stories are being put out that people tie to the organized group. Most of that information is not representing the group and others associate the false statements being tied to the group and it is not.

How can you have a volume agreement if people can choose to not participate?


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Wiley Morgan is part of group leadership and has been since day 1. I have personally been to all public meetings and personally know Wiley. Again, false rumors to create confusion.

And chaz if it were to revalue, the 50 would be worth something. So to prevent that , they removed it.

And chaz do the research the zim was canceled this summer.

Don't you mean re-denominate? You can find articles all over the place for that, but not one (other from the Guru's) for the RV.
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:57 pm


"How can you have a volume agreement if people can choose to not participate?"



Exactly.  How could Wells Fargo agree to anything pertaining to a group if the group doesn't have a set value/number of participants?
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Sun Mar 20, 2016 9:14 pm

I just found this posted as WSOMN.  Trade, can you tell me who Miracleman is?  He is speaking for the Gen64 group.  Is he authorized to do so?  Oh, wait.  I forgot.  It's not really the General64 group.  It used to be, but now it's the KCIQD group.  Please help!


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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Sun Mar 20, 2016 9:19 pm

Sending someone an email gives no person or corp a right to negotiate a contract or act as fiduciary with a bank.  It's utter nonsense.
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Sun Mar 20, 2016 10:16 pm

Questions from WSOMN:

GEG-Dinar wrote
5m ago
MM, question. How are you aware of the process for Generals64/WF Group? My understanding is that even Wiley Morgan doesn't know what will be happening.
miracleman wrote
5m ago
CEG..wiley out..crusty/mean spirited person..WF booted him out..though he pretends not too...
scotchie wrote
5m ago
Wiley was booted, wow!!
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scotchie wrote
1m ago
Wiley Morgan not happy about what was said tonight: "so many people speak of what they know nothing about"

Chaseybear wrote
moments ago
What happened to Wiley M i missed that

scotchie wrote
moments ago
MM stated that Wiley Morgan was out of WF Group. Wiley disagrees, and is pizzed that was put into the Forum

scotchie wrote
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Wiley made two comments, I printed one here

DoraJo wrote
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scotchie I had heard over a year ago that Morgan was out of the Gen64 group and now everything is in the hands of Wells Fargo

scotchie wrote
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Chasey, you will not see Wiley here


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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Sun Mar 20, 2016 10:46 pm

Nursedeedeezee wrote
4m ago
Don't know if this is true but I heard Wiley Morgan is the Karen Hudes of Gen64......lol

scotchie wrote
5m ago
Spent two hours with Wiley a few nights ago, in chat, and I do believe he is, Dorajo. I have no proof either way, thanks

scotchie wrote
4m ago
Wiley also said tonight..........................""all will have everything when email goes out, then everyone will know who lied""

saddie wrote
5m ago
as I understand KCmana and Wiley have nothing to do with emails, those come form Wells Fargo

coyotehunter wrote
4m ago
scotchie If I were you, I would hang my hat in wiley's room and get out of here if that is the way you feel.

scotchie wrote
4m ago
coyotehunter, that was rude, imo. And I not allowed to bring in what I hear?

coyotehunter wrote
4m ago
scotchie Nothing rude about that at all.

RicOShea wrote
3m ago
SCOTCHIE AND COYOTE SETTLE DOWN

seeker73 wrote
3m ago
Scotchie where did you read Wiley?

scotchie wrote
2m ago
Wiley is in our skype room, and he objected to what was said. I repeat, OUR, skype room

scotchie wrote
1m ago
Etoile, it is closed, at capacity. But since you have connections, suggest you contact thet, if you see her.

seeker73 wrote
1m ago
He musta been on chat when viv(?) was collecting emails and putting out the skype address?Sco

Missyd wrote
1m ago
Wiley clearly stated that they do not send emails because they don't have a server soooo how would gen64 send the group 800 numbers without a server, my understanding was a long time ago the list was turned over to wf for 800 number to be sent directly from them

scotchie wrote
1m ago
Our skype room has a capacity of 300

scotchie wrote
1m ago
Yes, many here are in our Skype room, and the discussions are always interesting. No gurus or predictions, just good discussions
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Sun Mar 20, 2016 10:58 pm

There you go, dinarland spinning lies and rumors. The email registration is in the hands of the group leadership and will not be handed to the banks until a final contract is signed. It is insider trading as a figure of speech , the banks cannot sign a agreement regarding a forward speculating event until that event happens. The database is formatted to work with WF's mailing system and is the leverage the group has over the bank. As why there is a MOI and LOI in agreement and is why no rate is known yet by anybody and why no details on how it will be rolled out is public or known by leadership as many in dinarland spin tales about.
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Sun Mar 20, 2016 11:43 pm

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There you go, dinarland spinning lies and rumors. The email registration is in the hands of the group leadership and will not be handed to the banks until a final contract is signed. It is insider trading as a figure of speech , the banks cannot sign a agreement regarding a forward speculating event until that event happens. The database is formatted to work with WF's mailing system and is the leverage the group has over the bank. As why there is a MOI and LOI in agreement and is why no rate is known yet by anybody and why no details on how it will be rolled out is public or known by leadership as many in dinarland spin tales about.


When you speak of the existence of a RV, MOI, LOI, MOU, final contract, WF's mailing system, and the leverage of YOUR group, that's nothing but spinning lies and rumors without some facts to show that any of those exist.

Do you have any facts that show any of the above?
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Sun Mar 20, 2016 11:54 pm

Why don't you show proof that it is lies and rumors. You provide the facts that it is a lie.  You can spin things all you want, but I will put the ball in your court, you prove it.
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:03 am

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Why don't you show proof that it is lies and rumors. You provide the facts that it is a lie.  You can spin things all you want, but I will put the ball in your court, you prove it.


Backpeddling now?

Your the one that has made claims that things exist.

I'm just asking for you to show what your claiming.

How hard can that be for you to provide?
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:27 am

Your the one that made the claims that the group is bs and lying. Back up and prove that. I don't need to prove anything to you, you are not a participant in the group, so no need to prove anything to you.  No back peddling here at all, just not going to waste time with a person that ask for unreasonable claims that will only post things all over for your benefit only. 

I am having a discussion with a person that is only giving his or her opinion with no personal knowledge of the situation.  Its like having a discussion with a  brick wall.  If your going to make claims and accusations please bring forth the proof to those accusations.

The ball is in your court, Proof it
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:56 am

TRADE wrote:
Your the one that made the claims that the group is bs and lying. Back up and prove that. I don't need to prove anything to you, you are not a participant in the group, so no need to prove anything to you.  No back peddling here at all, just not going to waste time with a person that ask for unreasonable claims that will only post things all over for your benefit only. 

I am having a discussion with a person that is only giving his or her opinion with no personal knowledge of the situation.  Its like having a discussion with a  brick wall.  If your going to make claims and accusations please bring forth the proof to those accusations.

The ball is in your court, Proof it

LMAO!!! You want me to prove to you something that doesn't exist?

You made the claims, you provide the proof! That's unreasonable for you to support your claim? LMAO!!!

The ball has never left your court!


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If you want to do due diligence for your followers, I would make a effort to contact the source, and get the true story and not all the bs that has been falsely put out for you and others to have your opinions.

Again, you are the source and have the opportunity to tell the true story.

So let's have the facts?
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:58 am

Trade,


#1 You were the one that said there were meetings with WF.  How do we know this to be true?



"I have personally been to all public meetings"



#2   I sent in my email to join the group.  Where can I find the details of this private equity group transaction?



"This is a private equity group transaction. You are not entitled nor is it for public view. As you may know, not all private documents are for public passing around. And I believe you are knowledgable to understand that and you are well aware that your request is a request that cannot be completed for you. Plus the group does not have any responsibility to prove to you anything. It is in place, for it to be executed if that is the direction the government goes. There is no need to expose private business documents to you, and if you know anything about the business world you completely understand the reason why."

#3  Why don't you provide copies to group members of what you and Wiley are claiming:



"we have an  MOU and LOI we are operating under"


It was you that have came here to defend the General64 group/KCIQD group and Wiley Morgan.  Therefore it is up to you to provide backup for the claims that you have made.  The ball is in your court.
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:05 am

I have told you the truth, you just won't accept it. The ball is still in your court, prove that your accusations are true and accurate.  Do you not understand, you are a nobody that is not entitled to get any documentation. LMAO. This is a business transaction and I know it is hard for you to grasp, but those documents will not be provided to spread all over the net.  You have asked for several things that are not able to be provided to you, and I am sure you are aware of that. But never worry, your not involved so it has no bearing to you other then just a person that wants to create confusion in the dinar community.
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:10 am

SSmith, I don't have to provide anything to you. Little do you know we have met and you also have met wiley. So you had ever opportunity to ask any question you wanted but no, you hide behind a dinar forum, to create hype so you have something to debate about. I got a good picture of who you are and what you are about.  If you don't believe it , and never attended any of the public meetings I am sorry you missed that. But unless pictures were taken it is not a request that can be proven.  As for any agreements, that info is not available for people like you to spread all over the net. IF you are not professional enough to understand that, then that is your problem.
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:12 am

ssmith, and btw, you had the opportunity to have the paperwork shown to you. But you declined the offer.  FYI  KC court on Tony's final hearing.
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:14 am

TRADE wrote:
I have told you the truth, you just won't accept it. The ball is still in your court, prove that your accusations are true and accurate.  Do you not understand, you are a nobody that is not entitled to get any documentation. LMAO. This is a business transaction and I know it is hard for you to grasp, but those documents will not be provided to spread all over the net.  You have asked for several things that are not able to be provided to you, and I am sure you are aware of that. But never worry, your not involved so it has no bearing to you other then just a person that wants to create confusion in the dinar community.


Show that the existence that the RV even exist!

Everything that you have said in regards to what happens before, during, or after is a mute point.

Can you even do that?
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:22 am

rambler, I have never said the rv has happened, where are you getting that from. Now your making up stuff. What we wait for is that the dinar becomes international, and a higher value is given to it. Will it ever happen who knows, could it happen yes, could it not happen yes. But that's not what we have been discussing.
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:24 am

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SSmith, I don't have to provide anything to you. Little do you know we have met and you also have met wiley. So you had ever opportunity to ask any question you wanted but no, you hide behind a dinar forum, to create hype so you have something to debate about. I got a good picture of who you are and what you are about.  If you don't believe it , and never attended any of the public meetings I am sorry you missed that. But unless pictures were taken it is not a request that can be proven.  As for any agreements, that info is not available for people like you to spread all over the net. IF you are not professional enough to understand that, then that is your problem.

I know exactly who you are.  I met both you and Wiley in KC at Tony's sentencing. 

As you may remember, I did introduce myself, while you declined to say your name.  So why would I have asked you a question?
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:40 am

TRADE wrote:
rambler, I have never said the rv has happened, where are you getting that from. Now your making up stuff. What we wait for is that the dinar becomes international, and a higher value is given to it. Will it ever happen who knows, could it happen yes, could it not happen yes. But that's not what we have been discussing.


I never claimed that you said that the RV has happened, but you are here representing the General64 group ( or whatever ) that has said that they were cashing out in Southeast Asia, also at a higher rate. I have posted some of those here in this thread and you can find all the archives over at Recaps as to what your group has said over the years.

As for the documents that you have, they are all about the RV, right?
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:42 am

rambler, Wiley Morgan nor Kcmana has ever said anybody was cashing out in southeast asia. What are you talking about
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:43 am

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SSmith, I don't have to provide anything to you. Little do you know we have met and you also have met wiley. So you had ever opportunity to ask any question you wanted but no, you hide behind a dinar forum, to create hype so you have something to debate about. I got a good picture of who you are and what you are about.  If you don't believe it , and never attended any of the public meetings I am sorry you missed that. But unless pictures were taken it is not a request that can be proven.  As for any agreements, that info is not available for people like you to spread all over the net. IF you are not professional enough to understand that, then that is your problem.


Isn't Ssmith asking questions now?

What's the difference whether they asked you then or now?
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:48 am

TRADE wrote:
rambler, Wiley Morgan nor Kcmana has ever said anybody was cashing out in southeast asia. What are you talking about


I'll post it again:


Generals64 Chat at MIG Mon. Morning

2/27/2012  

 
[generals64]No one really knows exact time or rate. It will probably be some one we least expect it telling us when it happens...the GURUs will be mad ...Until they
cash out. Some of the people I talk with (24 hours a day) have told me this is
really a good time frame anbegan explaininwhy...Madesensetme...LadyLeeLee...I have some REAL close friends in the CIA...REAL CLOSE...they
have missed it everytime. this will NOT be announced to the public ...it's a
banking decision....This will go to (please READ and REMEMBER)the Corporate
Banking Screens First....the executives of these banks will release it to their
 branches when they ARE TOLD to...

[generals64] I got excited when I first heard the 12.64 rate...want to know when I heard that?...Precious can agree or disagree with me as we talk every day at least once....I heard that rate almost a month ago...I have been listening to intelligence given by every department that would be involved....I still say the Federal Reserve has to have some say in the final approach.

generals64] newshound :...It's WileyMorgan...sorry if my spelling is bad...you guys I get calls all nite long...don't get to sleep much....I was given information at about 11:00 last night that there was a place in the Southeast Asia area cashing it out...they got excited but, he got nothing really...then they called again and told me he got a rate (won't tell don't ask) and it was too low in my opinion so I asked
the question what type of bank?...Oh no, it was a currency trader at the
airport...

generals64] So, the trader gives him a low rate and even though it's higher than he gave for it...Now inquisitive mind goes to thinking ...Maybe the trader knows something or is anticipating or has run out and doesn't have any for himself....Too many variables in this....

generals64] There is a lot of people wanting to tell the world..then they can tell their grandchildren stories....The Guru dudes and Dudettes...need to make sure it has happened before saying it...

Are you saying that this general64 person is not Wiley Morgan?
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:50 am

ssmith,  the group has been in the public discussion for years, you had the group leader available to you to ask any question you had. You declined the coffee meeting afterwards where you could of seen documentation that will not be put out in public chats for all to copy and send around. We all had a good discussion, you seem to be good people and I believe you would say the same about us. This harsh debating is not needed , you can easily stop this, you have at least some knowledge that we are not trash scammers out there. We all have the same motivation to expose the people lying and misleading the public.  All that has to happen is a pm and we can discuss details , once you listen you can take and do what you want with the info. But we are all on the same side.
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:53 am

ramblernash, I know you can read, do you not understand, that general64 has not been part of leadership for several years. Maybe for post like your posted from 2012.  Any new info regarding the group will come from Wiley Morgan or KCmana and that has been clearly explained if you were paying attention or involved for several years.
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:59 am

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ramblernash, I know you can read, do you not understand, that general64 has not been part of leadership for several years. Maybe for post like your posted from 2012.  Any new info regarding the group will come from Wiley Morgan or KCmana and that has been clearly explained if you were paying attention or involved for several years.


My point of that post was to show the hype coming out from the general64 group.

That general64 person identified themselves as Wiley Morgan. Is that not true?
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:05 am

Rambler, I missed your question,  NO wiley morgan is not general64 , 2 totally different people. One lives in OK and the other in KC.

Here is a article that has wiley morgan in it

http://virtualinstruments.ulitzer.com/node/3284748

Here is part of the work he is involved with
http://www.intel4u.com/Forums/index.php?/topic/23513-coats-for-kurdistan-project-from-wiley-morgan-kcmana/

Here is a fox report on it.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4025304260001/beyond-the-dream-coats-4-kurdistan-/?#sp=show-clips
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:06 am

Rambler, that is not the case and not how it reads, you are reading parts of a post by g64 in 2012 , They are 2 totally different people.
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:09 am

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Rambler, I missed your question,  NO wiley morgan is not general64 , 2 totally different people. One lives in OK and the other in KC.

Here is a article that has wiley morgan in it

http://virtualinstruments.ulitzer.com/node/3284748

Here is part of the work he is involved with
http://www.intel4u.com/Forums/index.php?/topic/23513-coats-for-kurdistan-project-from-wiley-morgan-kcmana/

Here is a fox report on it.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4025304260001/beyond-the-dream-coats-4-kurdistan-/?#sp=show-clips


So there are 2 Wiley Morgans?

No wonder everyone is confused. LOL

Glad your here to straighten that all out.

So all the posts from "that" general64 are false?
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:14 am

2 wiley morgans , NO how are you getting that, the post you posted is a part of a discussion in a chat that is missing pieces to it, what g64 is saying there does not even make sense. Again, G64 was involved in the chats and became the spokeperson for the group since he was out there years ago. That situation was cleaned up and that's why wiley had to come into the public eye to professional clean up communication. Go to intel4u, in the forum every question that you have been asked has been answered by him.
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:14 am

I would have loved to have spent some time with you folks after Tony's hearing but I had a long drive ahead of me.  Also I did not realize I was going to have the pleasure of meeting the leader of the Gen64 group. 

I signed up for the Gen64 group years ago.  Now I realize there is no chance that there will ever be any significant rate increase for the IQD.  WF has a statement saying they don't sell IQD.  The FBI has a form for for victims of a currency investment scheme involving the Iraqi dinar,  Sterling and Dinar Corp have been shut down.  Need I go on? 

After all that has gone on in Dinarland in the past year, how can anyone possibly believe that there is any agreement in place with Wells Fargo to do a group transaction involving the revaluation of the Iraqi Dinar?
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:26 am

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2 wiley morgans , NO how are you getting that, the post you posted is a part of a discussion in a chat that is missing pieces to it, what g64 is saying there does not even make sense. Again, G64 was involved in the chats and became the spokeperson for the group since he was out there years ago. That situation was cleaned up and that's why wiley had to come into the public eye to professional clean up communication. Go to intel4u, in the forum every question that you have been asked has been answered by him.


Read the part where general64 said it's Wiley Morgan. I highlighted it in red.

You also said "2 totally different people. One lives in OK and the other in KC."

So the person that said that they were Wiley wasn't true?

As far as the intel4u forum, is it all public or in a members only?
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:29 am

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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:43 am

Hey Nash, The way I see it is the General64 group was made up just like TNT was to milk the participants out of their hard earned cash. That's how all conmen work. Entice the naive and ignorant into a business that is out of this world and promise them millions while they steal thousands from them. When you have a 1000 participants at a $1000 that's a lot of cash. Only a select few make the millions while they milk every dime out of the fools like TRADER
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:15 pm

The way I see it, is ramblernash, likes to twist and cut out conversations then spins it to mean something else that it was not intended too. Just so he can tweet out his opinions. The only sweat was the sweat coming off your forehead. But if that's what your about then good luck with your side hobby. There are more professional people to deal with then a person that self creates hype just for his own gain and popularity.
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:22 pm

Anyone suggesting that someone could walk into a bank and negotiate on behalf of an unknown party via opt-in email is simply lemur turd.  No bank on the face of the earth would negotiate any kind of financial, 'deal' without a counter-party empowered to sign on behalf of a 3rd party, which requires power of attorney.  A LoI is still a negotiable instrument subject to both SEC and FTC regulations -

So someone says, "I want you to give a bunch of people a deal when it RVs" 

Bank says, "OK - who are these people? Under what authority do you have to represent them" 

"Uh, I don't have names, SS#, or DoB, all I have are emails.  They trust me"

It's nonsense, it's garbage, and you've been scammed.
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:32 pm

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I would have loved to have spent some time with you folks after Tony's hearing but I had a long drive ahead of me.  Also I did not realize I was going to have the pleasure of meeting the leader of the Gen64 group. 

I signed up for the Gen64 group years ago.  Now I realize there is no chance that there will ever be any significant rate increase for the IQD.  WF has a statement saying they don't sell IQD.  The FBI has a form for for victims of a currency investment scheme involving the Iraqi dinar,  Sterling and Dinar Corp have been shut down.  Need I go on? 

After all that has gone on in Dinarland in the past year, how can anyone possibly believe that there is any agreement in place with Wells Fargo to do a group transaction involving the revaluation of the Iraqi Dinar?

WF does not sell IQD. The FBI form is for people that bought based on the false promotion by dinar companies. Sterling and Dinar Corp got shut down for business practices.  Dinar Inc is still open and other companies, if it was a issue they all would of been shut down.  None of the false info put out in dinarland nor the illegal business practices has anything to do with the validity of the exotic currency dinar. Nor does any of that have anything to do with any group agreement that is in place.  Those examples do not support your reasons on the prospects of the dinar. Those are outside situations that are individual situations that used the dinar to do illegal acts, and or false info to push profits on websites.  There is a lot of valid arguments that could support the dinar not increasing, and their is arguments that support the possibilities. We all will find out in the future, whether that is soon, or years away, nobody knows
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:00 pm

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I would have loved to have spent some time with you folks after Tony's hearing but I had a long drive ahead of me.  Also I did not realize I was going to have the pleasure of meeting the leader of the Gen64 group. 

I signed up for the Gen64 group years ago.  Now I realize there is no chance that there will ever be any significant rate increase for the IQD.  WF has a statement saying they don't sell IQD.  The FBI has a form for for victims of a currency investment scheme involving the Iraqi dinar,  Sterling and Dinar Corp have been shut down.  Need I go on? 

After all that has gone on in Dinarland in the past year, how can anyone possibly believe that there is any agreement in place with Wells Fargo to do a group transaction involving the revaluation of the Iraqi Dinar?

WF does not sell IQD. The FBI form is for people that bought based on the false promotion by dinar companies. Sterling and Dinar Corp got shut down for business practices.  Dinar Inc is still open and other companies, if it was a issue they all would of been shut down.  None of the false info put out in dinarland nor the illegal business practices has anything to do with the validity of the exotic currency dinar. Nor does any of that have anything to do with any group agreement that is in place.  Those examples do not support your reasons on the prospects of the dinar. Those are outside situations that are individual situations that used the dinar to do illegal acts, and or false info to push profits on websites.  There is a lot of valid arguments that could support the dinar not increasing, and their is arguments that support the possibilities. We all will find out in the future, whether that is soon, or years away, nobody knows

There is no group deal in place.  Do you have a copy of what was agreed to?  Did you sign the agreement?  Did you grant power of attorney privilege to someone to negotiate the contents of a LoI on your behalf? If the answer is, 'no' to any of these (I suspect the answer is NO to all of these), you have no binding, enforceable agreement.  Zilch.

What valid arguments do you have concerning an overnight value spike of any sovereign currency?  Please list them out, would love to hear the reasoning. If you're suggesting it will increase over time, that is entirely possible - perhaps, over a 10-12 year span, IQD could incrementally go from, say, 1200:1 to 500:1.  Great return if you hold for a long time, provided CBI does not redenominate (which they will, but I know you don't believe that).  But I'm sure you didn't get into this to make that small a return, so why do you think you'll be wealthy from buying/holding IQD?  What valid arguments do you have?

One note of caution - any mention of Marshall Plan, Kuwait/China/Weimar, undocumented promises made by foreign politicians, uncorroborated, 'intel' about exchanges, EO13303, out-of-context quotes about how, 'the war will pay for itself,' Humanitarian bonds, currency back-screens, Chinese elders, etc ad infinitum ad nauseum do not constitute a valid argument.
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:37 pm

You have no clue what the CBI will do. Your assumptions could be correct. And now you are trying to tell me what I think, (wealthy).  I have a very small investment position in this exotic currency compared to my overall investments. As for as your last paragraph, your not talking with a person that pushes that stuff, especially eo13303 which has nothing concerning the dinar in it. As I said above, their are arguements that lead to the opinion it will take a long time to increase in value if it ever does, and their is a argument that shows it is a high risk speculative investment chance. But I am not going to go into either side, it is very obvious where the people on this site sit with their opinions and theories. And I am not going to waste my time debating either position. You have what you believe and that is what is important to you. I'm not interested in changing your thinking nor do I care less what your opinions are or what you think is in place or not.
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:56 pm

Reapandsow, and if you have done any reading, to address your 1st paragraph. For some reason you and others cannot grasp what has been said, or have completely ignored it. A final agreement cannot be put into place prior to a event happening, it would be a form of insider trading that is not allowed . So as been explained a thousand times if you look for it, when the banks can handle the dinar when it is international, the final contract will be presented and if approved, then the database will be handed over. Until that time, the database will not be handed over until the prior agreements are followed thru with. Hence why, no rate is known, until the time it goes international and what possible part of the spread will be offered to facilitate a large group of potencial customers. So you are correct there is not bindable agreement in place and the group has NEVER claimed there was. It was clearly communicated from day 1 that when the banking system was able to trade the dinar, that the group would be presented a contracted rate, if approved , the bank would acquire a large sum of potencial customers. Then those people that chose to explore that option would be communicated via email on the steps to schedule a appointment to explore what was offered, to accept it or walk away and explore other options. I just don't understand what is wrong with this situation that bugs so many of you. Is it the fear of the unknown, how hard can this be to grasp, if it ever happens you will have the ability to sit down and explore what is offered. Does not cost you a dime, does not hurt anybody, just another option to explore for your families.
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:12 pm

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You have no clue what the CBI will do. Your assumptions could be correct. And now you are trying to tell me what I think, (wealthy).  I have a very small investment position in this exotic currency compared to my overall investments. As for as your last paragraph, your not talking with a person that pushes that stuff, especially eo13303 which has nothing concerning the dinar in it. As I said above, their are arguements that lead to the opinion it will take a long time to increase in value if it ever does, and their is a argument that shows it is a high risk speculative investment chance. But I am not going to go into either side, it is very obvious where the people on this site sit with their opinions and theories. And I am not going to waste my time debating either position. You have what you believe and that is what is important to you. I'm not interested in changing your thinking nor do I care less what your opinions are or what you think is in place or not.

Yes indeed - people who cannot debate facts refuse to debate.  That's how it typically works.  if you had any idea what I did for a living, you'd know that I kinda DO know what CBI will do, lol.  I'm here putting rumors and illogical RV fantasies to rest because it harmed my family, and I took the challenge to dispel this nonsense.  You have investor bias, which is the most dangerous, subjective mindset to have.  you will never cut your losses, and cannot accept the harsh reality that the RV is a mathematical and economical impossibility - that means it cannot happen.  Cannot.  Ever.
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:17 pm

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Reapandsow, and if you have done any reading, to address your 1st paragraph. For some reason you and others cannot grasp what has been said, or have completely ignored it. A final agreement cannot be put into place prior to a event happening, it would be a form of insider trading that is not allowed . So as been explained a thousand times if you look for it, when the banks can handle the dinar when it is international, the final contract will be presented and if approved, then the database will be handed over. Until that time, the database will not be handed over until the prior agreements are followed thru with. Hence why, no rate is known, until the time it goes international and what possible part of the spread will be offered to facilitate a large group of potencial customers. So you are correct there is not bindable agreement in place and the group has NEVER claimed there was. It was clearly communicated from day 1 that when the banking system was able to trade the dinar, that the group would be presented a contracted rate, if approved , the bank would acquire a large sum of potencial customers. Then those people that chose to explore that option would be communicated via email on the steps to schedule a appointment to explore what was offered, to accept it or walk away and explore other options. I just don't understand what is wrong with this situation that bugs so many of you. Is it the fear of the unknown, how hard can this be to grasp, if it ever happens you will have the ability to sit down and explore what is offered. Does not cost you a dime, does not hurt anybody, just another option to explore for your families.

What I am telling you is that no Letter of Intent can legally be in place for anyone.  This is the law.  It is not legal.  No bank would agree to it.  Not one single bank.  There can be no agreement OR LoI, because a LoI is a negotiable instrument.  You said it was a LoI, which implies something was written and signed/countersigned.  And I'm telling you no, this is not possible in any way, shape or form.  A final database will be handed over based on what?  some agreement that was discussed?  Someone worked out a deal with a bank?  Ask some of the folks in this forum what I do, and how I dispel rumors of contracts, contract rates, oil credits, etc.  Someone negotiated some deal w a bank on spreads, rates, fees...sorry, not possible.  It's a complete farce.  And winks form bank personnel are not binding in contract law.
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:19 pm

ReapandSow, thankyou!! That IS the truth!! Very Happy Very Happy happydance
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:26 pm

Ssmith wrote:
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"we built a group, built a database and negotiated a deal, so many talk as if they are leaders of the group and pass along bad information"


I would like to know what is the "deal" that was negotiated?  Or has that changed also?

There can be no deal negotiated without consent and counter-party signature.  An opt-in email database does NOT count as fiduciary.  This is contract law.  Under SEC regulations, a bank cannot sign a negotiable instrument (letter of intent, in this case) with any party claiming to represent someone without notarized power of attorney privilege.  To-date, there has been no proof of this LoI, no documented evidence, no fiduciary established.  None.  If a bank representative, 'worked out a deal' with Wiley or KCMana on behalf of unknown thousands, and no notarized PoA was verified - not only is it a non-binding contract, it's subject to massive SEC fines for both the bank employee and WF.

Chalk this one under, 'yet another fairy tale contract," like oil credits and contract rates for exchanging IQD (which by the way, are also highly illegal under equal protection statutes via the OCC)
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PostSubject: Re: Wiley Morgan of Gen64 on Skype Chat Friday Night ~ Updated 6/10    Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:09 pm

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You have no clue what the CBI will do. Your assumptions could be correct. And now you are trying to tell me what I think, (wealthy).  I have a very small investment position in this exotic currency compared to my overall investments. As for as your last paragraph, your not talking with a person that pushes that stuff, especially eo13303 which has nothing concerning the dinar in it. As I said above, their are arguements that lead to the opinion it will take a long time to increase in value if it ever does, and their is a argument that shows it is a high risk speculative investment chance. But I am not going to go into either side, it is very obvious where the people on this site sit with their opinions and theories. And I am not going to waste my time debating either position. You have what you believe and that is what is important to you. I'm not interested in changing your thinking nor do I care less what your opinions are or what you think is in place or not.

Yes indeed - people who cannot debate facts refuse to debate.  That's how it typically works.  if you had any idea what I did for a living, you'd know that I kinda DO know what CBI will do, lol.  I'm here putting rumors and illogical RV fantasies to rest because it harmed my family, and I took the challenge to dispel this nonsense.  You have investor bias, which is the most dangerous, subjective mindset to have.  you will never cut your losses, and cannot accept the harsh reality that the RV is a mathematical and economical impossibility - that means it cannot happen.  Cannot.  Ever.

I am not in this discussion forum to debate what could happen with the dinar. You are trying to start a debate on that issue. Go spend your time with the others. I can debate facts just as you can. And what you do for a living is not going to put you into the position of knowing what steps the CBI will take in the future. You can hide behind whatever name you want, but you do not have that information. You only have opinions based on past history and theories you have come up with. So don't talk like your this important person who has that type of knowledge, others may fall for it but I won't. As for as the situation regarding the dinar, you have no clue what my thoughts on it are, your just trying to pick a fight so you can continue your great crusade. Save it for somebody else
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