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Post by phantomssecret on Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:28 am

Dreamworks: [THJ] Ladies and gentlemen start your engines. Bluwolf over on GET is saying the screens are solid green and that means tradable! [bluwolf] listen up soon it will rain wealth to all concern,make your arrangements ,do your to do list,
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Post by openmind on Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:30 am

Awesome! TRADE at what rate???
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Post by Eternal1 on Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:48 am

There is so much to be positive about Smile What a wide ride this has been.

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Post by robralf on Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:50 am

Razz Razz Razz
Goin' fishing now!!
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Post by Padrev on Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:28 pm

@phantomssecret wrote:Dreamworks: [THJ] Ladies and gentlemen start your engines. Bluwolf over on GET is saying the screens are solid green and that means tradable! [bluwolf] listen up soon it will rain wealth to all concern,make your arrangements ,do your to do list,


What screens? I was at a train station today.. all the screens were green. I can take a picture AND provide a link. Means nothing for the RV though.

Can the person who made this statement also tell us WHAT screens are green? Or is this another unsubstantiated claim. I'm not trying to be a basher, but the above statement does NOTHING for anyone. PLEASE provide evidence with your exhortation, admit that it's a rumor or just don't post it.

Haven't 'you people' figured out yet that there are SOME people here who are just really really emotional about this? Help us by being factual. Give us something useful.. even if it's just.. 'sorry guys, nothing but rumor and conjecture today. Keep praying.' <--- useful and helpful.

^^ constructive criticism.. NOT bashing.

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Post by silvertongue on Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:36 pm

If this were true, everybody would know it. All you have to do is go on your banks website and se if the IQD is listed under foreign currencies. If it is not there then you have your answer.
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Post by revenuerog on Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:52 pm

I'm wore out from all this "green screen b.s." I'm NOT an "invester", I'm a speculator...big difference. This is a money swap, that's all it is. When the IQD goes up..I'll swap...this "green screen change your life I'm a better Christian than you bashers go away" drama makes me think I'm watching a Soap Opera
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Post by Ironfire13 on Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:04 pm

Did someone say "Show me the Carfax"..

The one thing we don't see enough of are "LINKS" to support statements and claims. A lot of stuff is written, stated, supposedly confirmed, but on this site moreso than any other, posters don't provide any links to their claims. Many people (self included) sometimes question statements, claims, etc, that should be able to be substantiated with supporting links, and what do we get? We get called "Bashers", non-believers, and get told to go elsewhere. Those people need to realize that people that question claims and statements, are actually doing the people in the OOM forum a favor. We that ask questions do it for the people that are to afraid, or feel they can't rock the boat. Those people need to realize that a healthy forum has all sorts of people, people that just accept information, and those that push for more, and those that request some level of proof. Even though many say the OOM forum has to many bashers, I disagree. Of all the Dinar sites out there, I think this forum has a healthy balance of people types invested.

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Post by 4courseDinar on Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:29 pm

@revenuerog wrote:I'm wore out from all this "green screen b.s." I'm NOT an "invester", I'm a speculator...big difference. This is a money swap, that's all it is. When the IQD goes up..I'll swap...this "green screen change your life I'm a better Christian than you bashers go away" drama makes me think I'm watching a Soap Opera


I humbly beg to differ with you on this. It isn't a money swap and that is where people are going awry on the assumption that there will be no Capital Gains Tax. It isn't a money swap.

What we have amounts to nothing more than a pretty stamp collection. It is a non-functional currency worth NOTHING. We are collectors. When the GOI makes its move to save their economy (and they will) we will then sell the defective currency back to them so they can get it off the streets and they will, in turn, buy our currency at the NEW RATE! This is a financial transaction in which we have collected and VERY collectible defunct currency, it goes up in value like a collectors stamp and then we sell it.

People who had Confederate Currency after the civil war just kept it by the wagon load because the wagon was worth more than the currency. After many years, it became a collectible and now you can buy them for more than they were once worth as collectors items or financial instruments. This is what we are doing.

This is why a CRUT Trust is the exact vessel to prevent the Capital Gains Tax and be able too reinvest the income of the Trust (the difference between the hold price now and the sell price then) and reinvest as many times as you wish without CG tax.
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Post by revenuerog on Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:32 pm

a CRUT Trust? Please explain...very interested
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Post by jt236 on Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:38 pm

Just called wf and chase and its NOT in their books or on their screens....Just sayin,....

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Post by DESERTREIGN2002@YAHOO.COM on Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:46 pm

Ironfire13;
I couldnt agree with you more, bashers are ones who call the information gatherers idiots and disrespect those who have the "intel". So we have bashers on both sides of the fence. Those who disagree with the positive intel, and those who disagree with the negative intel. The fact is, both kinds of intel are important to keep a balance and maybe cause us to dig a little deeper. It doesnt hurt so bad when you have both sides of the fence covered. We ALL have one thing in common. WE WANT THIS TO HAPPEN! I just dont want to get my bags packed too soon. I also dont want to see anyone else so jacked up that the lose common sense. Trust that the intel WHOMEVER IT COMES FROM may be incorrect. Believe also that it MAY be true! Read the opposite intel to keep you grounded and yes also believe it as well might be true.

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Post by robralf on Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:59 pm

@revenuerog wrote:a CRUT Trust? Please explain...very interested
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Post by 4courseDinar on Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:09 pm

@Padrev wrote:
@phantomssecret wrote:Dreamworks: [THJ] Ladies and gentlemen start your engines. Bluwolf over on GET is saying the screens are solid green and that means tradable! [bluwolf] listen up soon it will rain wealth to all concern,make your arrangements ,do your to do list,


What screens? I was at a train station today.. all the screens were green. I can take a picture AND provide a link. Means nothing for the RV though.

Can the person who made this statement also tell us WHAT screens are green? Or is this another unsubstantiated claim. I'm not trying to be a basher, but the above statement does NOTHING for anyone. PLEASE provide evidence with your exhortation, admit that it's a rumor or just don't post it.

Haven't 'you people' figured out yet that there are SOME people here who are just really really emotional about this? Help us by being factual. Give us something useful.. even if it's just.. 'sorry guys, nothing but rumor and conjecture today. Keep praying.' <--- useful and helpful.

^^ constructive criticism.. NOT bashing.


This is more of that folk lore just like the assumption that there is going to be a 15% flat tax on the exchange. There isn't one shred of evidence to that effect and I have checked all possible sites as I don't rely on rumors put out by ego-driven persons who only want to be able to say, "They called it first." That all it is. There will be no flat tax either because it has to be codified and it simply isn't.

However, it is human nature to find some tall tale to glom onto which will justify doing absolutely nothing to prepare them to own a lot of money in a responsible way and to preserve that wealth by averting unnecessary taxation which is reserved for those who pay tax. You may think that is a curious statement but this is what I was told by the criminal investigator for the IRS Southeast Region. He said to me, "There are two types of people in America and the Tax Code is written for both. There are those who pay taxes and those who do not." So you see, there is a tax code especially for you depending on whether or not you are a sucker or you aren't.

This Green Screen thing is more uncontested folk lore. I don't doubt that the DOS screens of the DOS based computers that are used by banks are or could be green but my DOS screen is black. Now the fonts may have a color code and change but the screens...I doubt it seriously. You don't use DOS, (Disk Operating System) , you will never see the back offices of the banks, and you will never be able to vette the statements made about "GREEN SCREENS" which refer to a MS-DOS computing system so why the fuss? It is more "LINGO" to make you feel more comfortable in the knowledge that someone might have some inside info about the situation. Why ask for links or get mad or bash some GURU or some MOD or whatever? Doesn't anyone ever do their own investigation? Doesn't anyone here ever use the search engines that are very powerful these days? Why do you always want someone else to do your research for you? Why don't you do your own research? Do you really think you are going to "hear it first" here? Why not just go to http://www.advfn.com/p.php?pid=qkquote&symbol=FX^USDIQD and look for yourself and stop the bantering.

These guys do the best they can to inform you but in the end, it is your job to be informed, not theirs. If you weren't so co-dependent and lazy, you would fetch your own answers.

I don't want the mods to think I am bashing or being mean and I certainly don't want to be banned but for polly-wogs sake, grow up! You folks are getting very edgy and I know some people who are having ulcer attacks, panic attacks, and generally making themselves sick with this. I don't want any of this to happen to you fine people. Live your life and believe me, someone will call you or you will see for yourself by looking at the link I supplied for you and then it will be happy-time. Get some Rolaids and take a nap and start sleeping at night. Iraq isn't going anywhere and neither are the diligent MODS and GURUS.

You guys go out and have a nice Labor Day week-end and get some sunshine. Winter is coming. I'm going fishing and I'm NOT taking my Droid Phone either!!!

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Post by rvnow55 on Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:22 pm

@4courseDinar wrote:
@Padrev wrote:
@phantomssecret wrote:Dreamworks: [THJ] Ladies and gentlemen start your engines. Bluwolf over on GET is saying the screens are solid green and that means tradable! [bluwolf] listen up soon it will rain wealth to all concern,make your arrangements ,do your to do list,


What screens? I was at a train station today.. all the screens were green. I can take a picture AND provide a link. Means nothing for the RV though.

Can the person who made this statement also tell us WHAT screens are green? Or is this another unsubstantiated claim. I'm not trying to be a basher, but the above statement does NOTHING for anyone. PLEASE provide evidence with your exhortation, admit that it's a rumor or just don't post it.

Haven't 'you people' figured out yet that there are SOME people here who are just really really emotional about this? Help us by being factual. Give us something useful.. even if it's just.. 'sorry guys, nothing but rumor and conjecture today. Keep praying.' <--- useful and helpful.

^^ constructive criticism.. NOT bashing.


This is more of that folk lore just like the assumption that there is going to be a 15% flat tax on the exchange. There isn't one shred of evidence to that effect and I have checked all possible sites as I don't rely on rumors put out by ego-driven persons who only want to be able to say, "They called it first." That all it is. There will be no flat tax either because it has to be codified and it simply isn't.

However, it is human nature to find some tall tale to glom onto which will justify doing absolutely nothing to prepare them to own a lot of money in a responsible way and to preserve that wealth by averting unnecessary taxation which is reserved for those who pay tax. You may think that is a curious statement but this is what I was told by the criminal investigator for the IRS Southeast Region. He said to me, "There are two types of people in America and the Tax Code is written for both. There are those who pay taxes and those who do not." So you see, there is a tax code especially for you depending on whether or not you are a sucker or you aren't.

This Green Screen thing is more uncontested folk lore. I don't doubt that the DOS screens of the DOS based computers that are used by banks are or could be green but my DOS screen is black. Now the fonts may have a color code and change but the screens...I doubt it seriously. You don't use DOS, (Disk Operating System) , you will never see the back offices of the banks, and you will never be able to vette the statements made about "GREEN SCREENS" which refer to a MS-DOS computing system so why the fuss? It is more "LINGO" to make you feel more comfortable in the knowledge that someone might have some inside info about the situation. Why ask for links or get mad or bash some GURU or some MOD or whatever? Doesn't anyone ever do their own investigation? Doesn't anyone here ever use the search engines that are very powerful these days? Why do you always want someone else to do your research for you? Why don't you do your own research? Do you really think you are going to "hear it first" here? Why not just go to http://www.advfn.com/p.php?pid=qkquote&symbol=FX^USDIQD and look for yourself and stop the bantering.

These guys do the best they can to inform you but in the end, it is your job to be informed, not theirs. If you weren't so co-dependent and lazy, you would fetch your own answers.

I don't want the mods to think I am bashing or being mean and I certainly don't want to be banned but for polly-wogs sake, grow up! You folks are getting very edgy and I know some people who are having ulcer attacks, panic attacks, and generally making themselves sick with this. I don't want any of this to happen to you fine people. Live your life and believe me, someone will call you or you will see for yourself by looking at the link I supplied for you and then it will be happy-time. Get some Rolaids and take a nap and start sleeping at night. Iraq isn't going anywhere and neither are the diligent MODS and GURUS.

You guys go out and have a nice Labor Day week-end and get some sunshine. Winter is coming. I'm going fishing and I'm NOT taking my Droid Phone either!!!

Have a great week-end............................................

All he/she was saying is for posters to stop making huge statements w/o any proof or explanation. Most posters sound like they are the ones pulling the strings for the RV and are drinking buddies with the top 5 leaders of the world lol.

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Post by 4courseDinar on Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:50 pm

@revenuerog wrote:a CRUT Trust? Please explain...very interested

A CRUT is a widely used type of Trust that has some very unique features. It is one a very few Trusts that allow you to be the Donor / Trustor as well as the Trustee, and also receive annuity payments from the Trust as a Recipient / Beneficiary. It is very popular for people in Real Estate as private investors because it allows the Trustee / you to invest the income of the Trust over and over again without any Capital Gains Tax ...for the most part. (Note: There are some transactions that can trigger a CG tax but not if you use it correctly)

This Trust was conceived in the sixties as a way to inspire the wealthy to donate to charity. The deal goes like this: If we / IRS allow you to avoid the CG tax and reinvest without the 1031 exchange rules then you / Trustee must donate at least 5% to a qualifying Charity. Now a 5% tax or one nickel on the dollar sure is better than a 15% - 35% Capital Gains tax isn't it? Of course it is so when a guy who owns 50 houses wants to finally sell one after renting it out for years, he simply moves it into the CRUT and titles it as such and then sells it and then he can reinvest in whatever he wants and doesn't have to use the profit to buy another house in order to avoid the CG tax.

You also use this CRUT (Charitable Remainder Uni-Trust) as an income stream. By designating a percentage on the Trusts assets as your reoccurring payout, you will also have revenue that is completely disposable. (read: not an investment) There are One Life CRUTs, Two Lives Consecutive Interests CRUTs, and Two Life Concurrent Interests CRUTs. In reality, there are nine different types of CRUT but for our purposes, we use the three I just named.

STOP and think for a moment. If you want to avoid the CG tax (I didn't say evade) and protect your assets, then why on earth would you use any other Trust that requires you to name someone else who isn't related by blood or marriage as the Trustee. That Trustee had better be you or you are being set up for harvest. That only makes sense and the other Trusts will not get you past the tax man at RV time either.

Let me make an example of how powerful this is: Take one dollar out of your wallet and double it every day and at the end of 20 days, after paying the applicable taxes, and you will have $220,000.00 dollars. NOW...Take a dollar out of your CRUT, invest it and double it every day and after paying NO tax, you will have ONE MILLION DOLLARS! Now do you see how this is a perfect vehicle for Dinarians? There are 3 million of these in force these days by mostly the very rich such as the PEW Charitable Trust, The Carnegie Charitable Trust, Katherine T. McArthur Charitable Trust to name but a few of the more well know CRUTs so don't let people convinve you that this is a scam or some Patriot Mythology or the product of some manic attorney. The attorneys do not like this because YOU are in control and not them.

This is a Pre-RV Trust Strategy and it must be done pre-RV. The reason is that the money you may play with / invest is the Trust Income. Here is how that works: You fund the Trust pre-RV so that means you funded the Trust with lets say one million Dinar. The funding currency is the Dinar. It has an assessed value of about one thousand dollars per million. This is important so reread it if necessary. Now we wait until the value goes up. When it does, we sell the Dinar to a broker and he pays us...lets say 1-1 ratio of dollars to Dinar, and we put back inot the CRUT one million dollars. You just made an income for the Trust of $999,000.00 and now you can go PLAY A LOT!!! If you wait until after the RV then you would be hypothetically trading one million dinar for one million dollars and there would be no income to play with but you would still have all the money and you would still have the annuity but no money to reinvest so you could make even more money even faster.

Lots of people say , " I don't want the remainder of the money to all go to charity after I die." They are corrct in this because it is a stipulation of the Trust ....BUT...to cure that problem, we simply start our own Family Foundation (501C-3) and then we name the Charity of Choice as our own FF tghus donating the 5% to ourselves.

Pretty smart don't ya think? I have written well over a hundred of these trusts for Dinarians and have been using one for years in my own Total Asset Protection Plan (TAPP) which is what you will need after the RV. It prevents : Lawsuits, Capital Gains Tax, Inheritance Tax, Estate Tax, Income Tax, eliminates Probate and bypasses all courts. This is what you do to keep your money and be a responsible steward of your family fortune. This is NOT Estate Planning nor is it Tax Planning but it usues many of the same entities but they are interlocked in such a way that Tax planners and Estate planners have never considered. The clauses are very special and give you 100% Lawsuit protection and 100% control of your money with 0% ownership or liability. It don't get better than that. I am trained in perparing these docs so if you want a better more extensive report on Asset Protection and the CRUT, just email me and I'll be glad to answer questions and help you with your CRUT.,

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...... Bluwolf Chat 8/31/11 AM (alabamagal] i wish they would ............ ... we have 1. banks, 2. cbi and 3. forex... [bluwolf] Rv will appear on all world banks first period [ ............ internal period [Cessie] alabamagal According to Bluwolf and others banks and CBI are one and the same ............ also based on what has been said and what I know. bluwolf] It is also what all banks will try to exchange ( ............ on this subject real cbi rate is $5.25 period [bluwolf] Cessie we are just waiting to go cash in ............ ] bluwolf we have been encouraging everyone to take the ............ posts and this will make alot more sense to them [bluwolf] That will be good [bluwolf] Cessie any second ............ [Cessie] bluwolf Thank you. Wish it was more definitive. But, I ............ it is very soon. [bluwolf] Well must go my general manager arrived , let me ............ back to work, cya later [bluwolf] Later ......

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Really people? You can' t go find your own information, or verify things if you feel the need. Good luck - most information is not going to be verifiable that's why you develop a trust and come to your own conclusions. There is a time in every ones lives where they let go of their mommy's hand and cross the street on their own.

Read what people choose to share and do your own footwork and come to your own conclusions. This is a site to share, the only one that owns it is Okie and he doesn't work for any of us.

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Post by robralf on Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:31 pm

@4courseDinar wrote:
@revenuerog wrote:a CRUT Trust? Please explain...very interested

A CRUT is a widely used type of Trust that has some very unique features. It is one a very few Trusts that allow you to be the Donor / Trustor as well as the Trustee, and also receive annuity payments from the Trust as a Recipient / Beneficiary. It is very popular for people in Real Estate as private investors because it allows the Trustee / you to invest the income of the Trust over and over again without any Capital Gains Tax ...for the most part. (Note: There are some transactions that can trigger a CG tax but not if you use it correctly)

This Trust was conceived in the sixties as a way to inspire the wealthy to donate to charity. The deal goes like this: If we / IRS allow you to avoid the CG tax and reinvest without the 1031 exchange rules then you / Trustee must donate at least 5% to a qualifying Charity. Now a 5% tax or one nickel on the dollar sure is better than a 15% - 35% Capital Gains tax isn't it? Of course it is so when a guy who owns 50 houses wants to finally sell one after renting it out for years, he simply moves it into the CRUT and titles it as such and then sells it and then he can reinvest in whatever he wants and doesn't have to use the profit to buy another house in order to avoid the CG tax.

You also use this CRUT (Charitable Remainder Uni-Trust) as an income stream. By designating a percentage on the Trusts assets as your reoccurring payout, you will also have revenue that is completely disposable. (read: not an investment) There are One Life CRUTs, Two Lives Consecutive Interests CRUTs, and Two Life Concurrent Interests CRUTs. In reality, there are nine different types of CRUT but for our purposes, we use the three I just named.

STOP and think for a moment. If you want to avoid the CG tax (I didn't say evade) and protect your assets, then why on earth would you use any other Trust that requires you to name someone else who isn't related by blood or marriage as the Trustee. That Trustee had better be you or you are being set up for harvest. That only makes sense and the other Trusts will not get you past the tax man at RV time either.

Let me make an example of how powerful this is: Take one dollar out of your wallet and double it every day and at the end of 20 days, after paying the applicable taxes, and you will have $220,000.00 dollars. NOW...Take a dollar out of your CRUT, invest it and double it every day and after paying NO tax, you will have ONE MILLION DOLLARS! Now do you see how this is a perfect vehicle for Dinarians? There are 3 million of these in force these days by mostly the very rich such as the PEW Charitable Trust, The Carnegie Charitable Trust, Katherine T. McArthur Charitable Trust to name but a few of the more well know CRUTs so don't let people convinve you that this is a scam or some Patriot Mythology or the product of some manic attorney. The attorneys do not like this because YOU are in control and not them.

This is a Pre-RV Trust Strategy and it must be done pre-RV. The reason is that the money you may play with / invest is the Trust Income. Here is how that works: You fund the Trust pre-RV so that means you funded the Trust with lets say one million Dinar. The funding currency is the Dinar. It has an assessed value of about one thousand dollars per million. This is important so reread it if necessary. Now we wait until the value goes up. When it does, we sell the Dinar to a broker and he pays us...lets say 1-1 ratio of dollars to Dinar, and we put back inot the CRUT one million dollars. You just made an income for the Trust of $999,000.00 and now you can go PLAY A LOT!!! If you wait until after the RV then you would be hypothetically trading one million dinar for one million dollars and there would be no income to play with but you would still have all the money and you would still have the annuity but no money to reinvest so you could make even more money even faster.

Lots of people say , " I don't want the remainder of the money to all go to charity after I die." They are corrct in this because it is a stipulation of the Trust ....BUT...to cure that problem, we simply start our own Family Foundation (501C-3) and then we name the Charity of Choice as our own FF tghus donating the 5% to ourselves.

Pretty smart don't ya think? I have written well over a hundred of these trusts for Dinarians and have been using one for years in my own Total Asset Protection Plan (TAPP) which is what you will need after the RV. It prevents : Lawsuits, Capital Gains Tax, Inheritance Tax, Estate Tax, Income Tax, eliminates Probate and bypasses all courts. This is what you do to keep your money and be a responsible steward of your family fortune. This is NOT Estate Planning nor is it Tax Planning but it usues many of the same entities but they are interlocked in such a way that Tax planners and Estate planners have never considered. The clauses are very special and give you 100% Lawsuit protection and 100% control of your money with 0% ownership or liability. It don't get better than that. I am trained in perparing these docs so if you want a better more extensive report on Asset Protection and the CRUT, just email me and I'll be glad to answer questions and help you with your CRUT.,

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I emailed you 8)

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Post by 4courseDinar on Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:08 pm

@phantomssecret wrote:...... Bluwolf Chat 8/31/11 AM (alabamagal] i wish they would ............ ... we have 1. banks, 2. cbi and 3. forex... [bluwolf] Rv will appear on all world banks first period [ ............ internal period [Cessie] alabamagal According to Bluwolf and others banks and CBI are one and the same ............ also based on what has been said and what I know. bluwolf] It is also what all banks will try to exchange ( ............ on this subject real cbi rate is $5.25 period [bluwolf] Cessie we are just waiting to go cash in ............ ] bluwolf we have been encouraging everyone to take the ............ posts and this will make alot more sense to them [bluwolf] That will be good [bluwolf] Cessie any second ............ [Cessie] bluwolf Thank you. Wish it was more definitive. But, I ............ it is very soon. [bluwolf] Well must go my general manager arrived , let me ............ back to work, cya later [bluwolf] Later ......

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« by garit on August 31, 2011, 11:46:42 AM »

Really people? You can' t go find your own information, or verify things if you feel the need. Good luck - most information is not going to be verifiable that's why you develop a trust and come to your own conclusions. There is a time in every ones lives where they let go of their mommy's hand and cross the street on their own.

Read what people choose to share and do your own footwork and come to your own conclusions. This is a site to share, the only one that owns it is Okie and he doesn't work for any of us.

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