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Post by Guest on Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:01 pm

What I learned about gimmicks in dinar world J
 
1. Wells Fargo being the bank is guru invented talk.  Any banks deal with foreign currency will be able to exchange for you once the dinar goes international.  Not to forget the dealers will also exchange for you.  Exchange will be as easy as 1,2,3 : a)  Call bank and dealer ask for the rate and service fee. b) You should do straight currency exchange.  c)  You like their rate and service fee, transaction will happen.  d) Either you will get a cashier check, wire transfer or direct deposit to your bank account.
 
2.  There won't be 800# for us to call and if there is, great!  Even with 800# I would be careful in setting my appointment because I want to make sure I don't go to some location, but the bank.
 
3.  Don't get hung up with the contract rate or market rate (international rate).. Our rate will be international rate meaning the same rate for everyone.  You make sure if you are offered higher rate and have to sign NDA.. read every word and small prints.  Don't get yourself into things that you will regret later.  Be smart and don't be greedy.  I am a firm believer if we are honest in dealing our money, God will bless us more.  
 
4.  Pay the taxes and be done with and run with your money Smile  because if you invest it wisely and smartly, in time, you will gain what you pay in taxes  and the added benefit is you can sleep sound and sweet without playing cat and mouse with IRS and Feds.  Furthermore, we have been paying taxes all along since we work on day 1.. why is it different now..? lol  the only difference is the amount we are paying and guess what..? the initial investment for dinar is minimal compares to the return.. better than any stock market and better odd than lottery.  If you win lottery, you will gladly give half to taxes and it should be no difference to dinar. 
 
5.  Never give your dinar to anyone that says you will get a better rate in exchange.  If there is a group rate for exchange because someone has negotiated the rate, you are still THE ONE going to the bank to exchange yourself and you will mention you belong to such and such group and you are here to exchange your dinar Smile and you should get the negotiated rate and fee and will be a simple transaction.
 
6.  DO NOT  invest or put your money in forex if you don't understand how it works... it's traded 24 hours a day and it changes every second.  Study forex, learn forex, see how it works, and if you still want to play with forex, try 5-10K (of course after rv) J when you can afford it and see if you like it.. never put a lot of money in there.. just like the stock market.. any movement during the day will get you to red or green in seconds Smile
 
7.  Regarding trust Smile  no matter what you want to call it.. business trust, corporation sole or whatever the name is.. let me say this "THERE IS NO SUCH THING".  I called my trust attorney and mention business trust and this is what he said to me "don't you do business in corporation, such as C corp or S corp or LLC? and when I asked him about corporation sole, his reply was" that's gimmick" lol .  I don't need more information or engaged him in further conversation than what I want to hear.  My attorney might be conservative and not well educated about this new business trust, etc but I trust him as I have worked with him for a long time Smile 
 
All these gimmicks from IBC in Belize, 2nd passport in Dominican Republic, business trust, corporation sole and whatever more out there just to get your money to sign up.  What I learned from all of these is they are promoting the same thing “paying too much taxes" to the government.  
 
Here is my take on all the gimmicks :
 
1.  First of all, let me say this to all of you.. as a US citizen, we have paid taxes to Uncle Sam since the day one we work at McDonalds, car wash, office or wherever Smile  paying taxes is not new to us.  The shocker will be the amount we are paying when dinar rvs.  When someone wins lottery ticket, they will take 50% of the proceed for taxes right off the bat, and guess what?  the winner gives it up gladly because he/she gets more than 2 dollars they spend on lottery ticket.  Dinar should not be much difference because our initial investment is minimal compares to the return we suppose to get.  
 
2.  There is something called "tax bracket" in the US.. meaning if you make more than $427k per year.. you are automatically paying the highest tax bracket.  For 2015 will be 39.6% and don't dread it because some of us have been paying that and yes.. we grumble and mumble but we are happy to pay it because it means we are making more money than what we pay.. which in any situation means that you are in good shape Smile
 
3.  IBC (international business corporation) is no difference than LLC in the US but is created outside of US.  Unless you really understand how it works and what it can do for you.  I would recommend you talk to an attorney at the country you want to set up your IBC and learn about the rules and regulations of that country and just not to trust anyone who is selling you the gimmick and it sounds cool because you don't need to pay your taxes up front, rather you dictate how much you want to pay.  IBC can be set up in dinar world for  name reserve $400 or $2,000 for a complete IBC.  Well.... there is a company that can set up IBC for $600. 
 
If IBC is so easy to set up and basically you can draw money from your IBC and dictate how much taxes you pay per year.. why not every US citizen who makes more than $427K per year has IBC? isn't that the idea of not paying too much taxes..? you can work at your company as a contractor of your IBC?.  Or, if you are self employed and working for IBC and whoever you deal in business, should pay your IBC and IBC pays you?  
Why not average US citizen think of it..? why it's only for dinar..?  because it's not that simple and easy.. yes setting up IBC is as easy as 1,2,3 but the practice itself won't be that easy.  
 
The wealthy people have done their studies and talk to their attorneys and accountants and foreign bankers before they do anything and make sure they are protected.  We, at the other hand have trusted someone with knowledge on how IBC works and wonder if that person has done it for himself/herself for a while to really know how this works for them.  If that person can be transparent is even better but if only known as username.. you might want to think twice.  In business world, transparency goes a long way J
 
Uncle Sam is not stupid.  He knows we own dinar and before we can benefit from the proceeds of our investments, Uncle Sam has already put plans together to take care of himself and also to make sure his investment s are protected.  The proof is FATCA which was in effect in July 2014.  FYI, Iraq is model 2 IGA which means Iraq will report to IRS.  Here are the links to FATCA  :
 
FATCA : http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/tax-policy/treaties/Pages/FATCA-Archive.aspx
 
FATCA two models : http://www.arthurbellcpas.com/difference-between-the-two-model-igas
 
FATCA terminology : http://www.arthurbellcpas.com/What-are-some-of-the-key-FATCA-terms/#ffiagreement
 
 
2.  2nd Passport - yes.. 2nd passport without giving up your US citizen.  You can be a citizen of any countries that will allow you to invest about $250K - $500K to get a citizenship in that country.  I will warn you about this,  make sure you understand that country's rules and regulations and what your duty is as their citizen even though you are doing this for tax shelter but as a citizen, you will be bound to their rules and regulations.  What will sound very good and enticing can be a trap in the future that you wish you never get into.  I read a story about a soccer player who gave up his citizenship in Brazil and become a citizen at another country and he was drafted for military to go to war and he was dumb founded about this because his idea was to play soccer.  2nd citizen in Dominican Republic will cost you between $9-12K.
 
3.  Business trust or corporation sole or whatever names they want to call J  Be a trustee and you can spend all you want without paying taxes and own nothing because the corporation or trust owns it.  Well.. there is no such thing like that.. and if there is such thing, I would like to hear someone/corp who has done it and explain how it works for them, instead of some retired insurance agent or some musician educating you about this.  I don't mean to put people down but I believe for something like this especially when it comes to taxes, rules and regulations, we should leave it to an expert such as tax attorney and trust attorney to set up for you and let them explain to you how it works.  Setting up the gimmicks will cost you between $2-5K.    
 
4.  Dinar is NOT a scam.  It is one country's currency that is currently being oppressed under sanction.  What people do in the name of dinar IS a scam.  
 
I'd rather buy dinar than paying for the gimmicks that sounds good right now and the practice might not be so cool.  At least if I buy dinar and I need money I can sell it back to dealer and lose about 20-30%, still I get some money back.  Gimmicks will cost me between $2-4K and money is gone.  if I buy dinar to gauge my taxes.. I will still come ahead because my tax obligation from my pile will be not much as my gimmick dinar will cover most of my taxes.  
 
For example : I have 3M dinar and it rv's at $2/dinar, I will get $6M and my tax obligation 50% - I will net $3M.  I buy 2M dinar with my gimmick money so my total holding now is 5M dinar at $2/dinar, I will get $10M and pay 50% in taxes.. I will net $5M.  Do you see the difference???
 
I am not here to tell you to buy more dinar but be smart and wise, we work hard for our money.  I am here to warn you not to get sucked into the gimmicks that gurus invent to get money from us.  
 
5.  If you have $2-4K and want to go trust route… call 3-4 trust attorney, make an appointment, go ask them questions and if you are comfortable with one of them, hire them to set up your trust.  A good trust attorney will charge you between $350-$500/hour.  Sometimes they give you free consultation for one hour or if you hire them, they will waive the first hour charge.  The trust can be set up for $2-4k and you know it’s done correctly.
 
 
6.  Don't forget.. it's all about numbers and how you see numbers will make a difference in your decision even after it rv's when you choose your investments.
 
7.  Find a good tax attorney, trust attorney, accountant and financial planner.. it;s not that hard.  Interview 3-4 people and whoever you are comfortable most, can explain things in simple English to you and not just tell you to trust them.. and most of all follow your gut feeling J  If you can’t trust your own gut feeling, trust your wife/husband or significant other and take them with you so four ears are better than two J
 
8.  Start writing questions for any professional so you can get answers directly from them.  


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Post by Ponee on Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:19 pm

THANKS NADITA ! Some good thoughts here !

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Post by FS4Enthusiast on Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:25 pm

Nadita wrote:
 
4.  Dinar is NOT a scam.  It is one country's currency that is currently being oppressed under sanction.  What people do in the name of dinar IS a scam.

It's not the dinar that is the scam. It's The RV that is the scam. Iraq has run their money supply up to 80+ TRILLION. Your 2 dollar RV would mean their money supply is 160 trillion. That is nearly 3 times the money supply of the entire planet. If you look at how much dinar they've printed, how much it is worth, and how big their economy is, it is absolute proof that The RV makes no sense and their currency is fairly valued at 1166 to 1.

I can (and have) given people absolute mountains of proof and evidence that The RV makes no sense. All the dinar believers ever give is quotes from scam artist gurus and poorly translated and misunderstood irrelevant Iraqi news articles.
 
5.  If you have $2-4K and want to go trust route… call 3-4 trust attorney, make an appointment, go ask them questions and if you are comfortable with one of them, hire them to set up your trust.  A good trust attorney will charge you between $350-$500/hour.  Sometimes they give you free consultation for one hour or if you hire them, they will waive the first hour charge.  The trust can be set up for $2-4k and you know it’s done correctly.

All the trusts/memberships/fees are all nonsense. Spending 2-4k on something that you don't even know will happen is just mind bogglingly stupid. Does anyone on the planet go blow 4 grand on a trust just in case their AAPL stock goes up 200,000%? NO. It's only chumps in the dinar world doing it.

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Post by Guest on Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:28 pm

@Ponee wrote:THANKS NADITA ! Some good thoughts here !

You are welcome.. thank you for letting me post in your site Smile

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Post by Guest on Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:33 pm

FS,

The RV number might be an illusion just to make a point so people see the difference in the numbers of what could be.. it's not set in stone.  No one knows whether we will make money or we will bust.  We only can wait and see.

As far as trust that I am talking about hiring an estate attorney to set up trust and paying $2-4K is regular trust such as irrevocable trust or revocable trust.  I am not talking about trust that guru is selling. My experience when you set up such trust, it will accompany by will and living will Smile  no.. I am not buying anything that gurus are offering anymore.  If I want to blow my money, I buy dinar Smile at least I can touch it Smile

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Post by Ponee on Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:16 pm

I know someone that goes to the CASINO EVERY WEEKEND to try and hit BIG.  He and his wife struggle financially and yet every Friday, they head off knowing that THIS IS IT!  This is their weekend to hit  the jackpot.  Sometimes they make some, but then they put it back into the slots and they always come back at a loss.  They complain about never having any money.  They can't meet their bills.  I think dinar is a lot like that for many.    

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Post by BullRide on Fri Mar 13, 2015 6:40 pm

@FS4Enthusiast wrote:
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4.  Dinar is NOT a scam.  It is one country's currency that is currently being oppressed under sanction.  What people do in the name of dinar IS a scam.

It's not the dinar that is the scam.  It's The RV that is the scam.  Iraq has run their money supply up to 80+ TRILLION.  Your 2 dollar RV would mean their money supply  is 160 trillion.  That is nearly 3 times the money supply of the entire planet.  If you look at how much dinar they've printed, how much it is worth, and how big their economy is, it is absolute proof that The RV makes no sense and their currency is fairly valued at 1166 to 1.


Hi FS4Enthusiast and Dinarians

Listen to this man name Fisher at about the 131:00 mark, I think will answer your comment about Iraq not being able to cover the trillions.

https://www.freeconferencecallhd.com/playback/?n=DeFL7/juiuP

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Post by Ponee on Fri Mar 13, 2015 6:57 pm

Thanks for the link BullRide !

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Post by FS4Enthusiast on Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:20 pm

Nadita wrote:FS,

The RV number might be an illusion just to make a point so people see the difference in the numbers of what could be.

It's not that a 2 dollar RV is impossible.  It's impossible at essentially any level.  2 bucks, 1 buck, 10 cents, 1 cent, hell, even 0.2 cents.  If the dinar RVd to 0.2 cents it'd be the largest RV in the history of the planet, and there's ZERO reason it would happen and NUMEROUS reasons it wouldn't happen.  If you've been in the dinar for long enough you've already seen what a real RV is: 1170 to 1166.

No one knows whether we will make money or we will bust.  We only can wait and see.

This simply is not true.  The biggest RV in history would still have most almost all dinarians losing money.  And there's no reason there would be an RV of even that magnitude.  The type of RV that dinarians expect simply do not happen.  MOST people know that "The RV" will not happen.  Almost everyone knows that The RV will not happen.  The only people on that planet that don't know it are the people that have dinar shoved under their mattress and the gurus that constantly lie to them.

This "wait and see" nonsense is just that: nonsense.  I know 100% that the dinar will not RV like any dinarians expect it to.  100%.  Guaranteed.  If you want to bet against me I'll be happy to accomodate you.  I'll give you 10,000 to 1 odds.  It might go from 1166 to 1100 or 1000 or even 800.  But it's more likely that it'll go to 1250 or 1400 or 1500.  And the most likely thing is that it'll muddle around between 1100 and 1300 for the next decade.  I know this because I understand how currencies work.  I'm sorry to be blunt, but you don't.  You don't understand how they work.

If the RV were legit you'd see stories like "I emailed a prof. of economics at my local university and he said it wasn't a sure bet but he thinks there's a good chance Iraq will RV by 100,000% and he owns several million dinar."

Instead what do you get?  You get stories like "I went into WF and the WM said that he was expecting some good news very soon but the backscreens were still blank and the 747 hadn't landed and then he wink winked and nudge nudged me and I knew I was going to be a millionaire soon."

Why are all the people pumping the dinar people that know nothing about currencies or economics?  They're all MLM scammers or porn site owners or pizza men or mailmen or nobodies.

Why does no legitimate investment or economics or currencies expert come out and say that it's a good investment with a good chance of success?  Why?  Why none?  Why are you stuck with losers like Tony and Montana and Mailman and Kaperoni and all these other idiots with no background in investing, let along currencies or international economics?


As far as trust that I am talking about hiring an estate attorney to set up trust and paying $2-4K is regular trust such as irrevocable trust or revocable trust.  I am not talking about trust that guru is selling. My experience when you set up such trust, it will accompany by will and living will Smile  no.. I am not buying anything that gurus are offering anymore.  If I want to blow my money, I buy dinar Smile at least I can touch it Smile

I'm not talking about gurus.  I'm talking about any money spent on the expectation that the dinar will make you rich.  I don't care if you're paying it directly to Blaino or Adam or Tony, or to a legit trust attorney.  It's a waste of money.

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Post by FS4Enthusiast on Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:06 pm

@BullRide wrote:
@FS4Enthusiast wrote:
Nadita wrote:
 
4.  Dinar is NOT a scam.  It is one country's currency that is currently being oppressed under sanction.  What people do in the name of dinar IS a scam.

It's not the dinar that is the scam.  It's The RV that is the scam.  Iraq has run their money supply up to 80+ TRILLION.  Your 2 dollar RV would mean their money supply  is 160 trillion.  That is nearly 3 times the money supply of the entire planet.  If you look at how much dinar they've printed, how much it is worth, and how big their economy is, it is absolute proof that The RV makes no sense and their currency is fairly valued at 1166 to 1.


Hi FS4Enthusiast and Dinarians

Listen to this man name Fisher at about the 131:00 mark, I think will answer your comment about Iraq not being able to cover the trillions.

https://www.freeconferencecallhd.com/playback/?n=DeFL7/juiuP

I tuned in at about 128:00 and then tuned out at 134:18.   I couldnt get it exactly on 131.  Here's some problems right off the bat:

1. VNN is not a real currency code.  This is a pretend currency code that gurus talk about to get you to keep buying VND as long as possible.  VND is the real currency code.  IQN is also not a real currency code.  IQD is the currency code.  The only way there will be an IQN is if they LOP, so the gurus tell you to watch for IQN so that if there ever is a LOP, you'll think it means RV and the IQD dealers will be able to clear out the remainders of their (soon to be worthless) IQD.

2. Zim is not a currency AT ALL.  The trillion notes haven't been a currency for 7 years.  The notion that Zimbabwe would reinstate a currency that has been dead for 7 years, AND pay millions of profits to foreign currency speculators, is totally insane.  If you believe this is likely, or even possible, you need a reality check.  You need to quit listening to any loser that has a youtube account.

3. No teller is saying "Look at this look at this look at this".  That is something TNT Tony has told you.  It isn't true.  Why would you believe him?  Tony is a convicted felon that is currently under indictment for internet scams and fraud.  Why on earth would ANYONE believe him?

4. NESARA?  Are you shirting me?  Tell me you don't believe in this garbage.  It's been a nonsense scam for 30 years.

5. Okay.  I'm at 131.  Right off the bat, the E.O. all the dinarians hinge their hopes and dreams on has squat to do with dinar.  All it means is that you can invest in Iraq and it isn't illegal.  I.e. it won't be considered a war crime or war profiteering if you make some money off Iraqs oil.  It has nothing to do with dinar.  Read it.  It says nothing about dinar.

6. I have no idea who this person has called into.  The caller appears to be a clueless TNT Tony type follower.  Who's he calling into?  I just paused at 131:41 after a woman said something like "the problem seems to be the overabundance of dinar that has been printed."  THAT IS PRECISELY THE "PROBLEM"!!!  When the dinar was worth 3 bucks each the biggest note was 20 or 25 dinar and the total amount of dinar was around 30 billion.  Now the biggest note is 25,000 dinar and the total (straight from the CBI) is around 80 trillion.  Do some math.  WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?

7. 133:07 here comes the bullcrap oil credits.  I paused it but I'm pretty sure I can imagine how this idiot is going to say how it works out.  Dinarians cash in to the UST, UST holds the dinar, UST gets oil.  Makes no sense and would bankrupt Iraq.  Anyone that thinks about it realistically for more than 5 minutes can understand this.

8. He says what goes "into the individuals pockets is chump change to them."  Dinartrade, in 2011, sold 500 billion dinar to american speculators.  At 1 to 1, that is 500 billion dollars worth of oil.  That is ONE company, in ONE year.  Even if that where the ONLY company selling dinar and it ended after ONE year, that would be 500 billion dollars in oil.  That is their total oil production for 2-5 years.  You're telling me that Iraq wants to give up 100% of their oil profits for 2-5 years just to make foreign currency speculators rich while they get nothing?  USE YOUR BRAIN.  DO SOME MATH.

9. The US holds 17.5 trillion dinar as a reserve currency.  Prove it, moron.  In the BHG indictment it was proven that the UST holds essentially ZERO dinar.  Yet this idiot says 17.5 trillion.  You're chosing to believe some loser that called into a blog, over the UST.  Who does that make sense to?

The bottom line is that "Fisher" is a moron and a TNT follower.  He has completely bought into the TNT lies.  The fact that he called into some (lame?  That I've never heard of?) crappy questionable internet blog channel does not give him any credibility.  The guy is an idiot.  He's a TNT follower.  That proves he's an idiot.

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Post by RamblerNash on Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:22 pm



FS4Enthusiast, I lasted a bit longer before I turned it off. He mentioned that it's showing on the bank screens at $3.90, then the wealth manager at Wells Fargo didn't know anything about it!


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Post by Ponee on Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:31 pm

Thanks for the Summary FS4 ! 

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Post by UNEEK on Sat Mar 14, 2015 7:14 pm

WOW - Thanks everyone for your comments --  very interesting dialogue --  I feel like  I could  compare  this with listening to a Preacher -  a  Pope -  a Politician - and an Atheist   -- If only  one  could be  right  which one would you believe?   The one  you want  to be right -


What you believe -- you make true -- What is true for  you -- may not be true  for  another  -


Our experiences -  our knowledge -  our intellect  -- our  understanding;  all influence  our  choices &  decisions  --  Our emotions can also trigger  a  response  & decision that might would have otherwise  been different -


Take your time -  read a lot - study hard -  and have the  purest intentions  <3 <3 <3 

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Post by Guest on Sat Mar 14, 2015 11:33 pm

DRJ Smile

There is no gimmick about me taking anyone's dinar Smile

First of all, you were never in the group so you didn't hear the whole story. I never went to Dallas nor took anyone's dinar to Dallas.  I would like to have these 5-6 people that you mentioned sending their dinar to me or went with me to Dallas to come forth.. we can clear this matter rather quick.

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Post by Guest on Sat Mar 14, 2015 11:34 pm

GG Smile

Well.. I say it before I say it again.. you are not worth my time.. you can spin your venom on me but it won't matter because I know you are a vindictive britch that will create anything to destroy people because that is you.. You used people to get what you wanted.

The French waitress must be an angel compares to you Smile

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