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Post by ROJO$ on Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:50 am

WHAT A SAD STORY / WHAT A TERRIBLE SHAME!

THE FOLLOWING POST WAS PRESENTED BY ALCHEMIST OR SOMEONE, BUT IT TELLS A STORY OF TWO BROTHERS AND A TRAGIC FAMILY ISSUE AS THESE BROTHERS NOW AIR THEIR DIRTY LAUNDRY FOR ALL THE WORLD TO SEE.

WHEN YOU READ THIS, I DARE YOU NOT TO CRINGE AND ABSOLUTELY FEEL DISGUSTED BY BOTH THE ACTS OF THESE TWO BROTHERS AND THEIR DISTURBING FAMILY DYNAMIC. I WOULD HATE TO BE ANYWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN THESE GUYS COME HOME FOR CHRISTMAS.


"Better to be safe than sorry" as my parents
always said. Very
interesting information
below to read and check out.
Sent: Mon,
Aug 9, 2010 9:16 pm
Subject: a troublesome post
Rilee:
The
reason for this chat is that you have
disclosed to me information
that you have
been holding onto for personal reasons.
Please let
me know if there is anything asked
that you do not feel comfortable
with
Hford:
Thanks Rilee. It’s my understanding that on
the GET
call of August 8th, TerryK decided to
mention that he had a brother
who was a
MOD on another site, that MOD turns out to
be me. I have
been holding this from our
members in order to bring an un-biased
and
open discussion forum that you and J4D
intended Just4Dinar to
be. I didn’t want my
relationship with TerryK to be a hindrance to
what
you all have built.
now with TerryK opening up the floor for
further
discussion as he has, I thought it was
time to come out and let
folks know some
truths, myths and all out lies.
Rilee:
ok,
great. You ready to proceed with some
questions?
Hford:
shoot
away
Rilee:
Why are you in this investment?
Hford:
I only
have a small amount in this
investment, just enough that if or when
it
does hit, I can pay-off my home and have
money in the bank for
retirement. I never
understood the need for being greedy or
taking
more than I needed. I only invested
what I thought would be enough
to
accomplish what I wanted my 401k to do.
So when Terryk stated
his brother doesn’t
have any Dinar, he is mistaken, his brother
only
has a small amount of dinar compared
to a lot of other folks that I
have
encountered on this site.
Rilee:
I have seen, and you and I
have chatted in
the past about this, that you have cautioned
people
since about the first day you joined
our site about TK rumors and
dinar
investment, is there a reason behind that?
Hford:
yes… I
am sure we will eventually get into a
little more detail further in
our chat about
Terry and his grand delusions. My main
reason was
to warn people not to believe
everything you read, THERE IS A REASON
THESE
GURU’S are leading and trying to gain
your trust, most have schemes
for post RV
for you to send them money for investing/
multi-level
marketing schemes, etc.., and
some are even so bold as to have pre-RV
schemes
that are taking money out of
people’s pockets that can’t afford it. I
had
watched for a while how people were
responding to him and
others, you can see
the anguish some of these folks have hinging
on
every word these guys are saying as if
they were investing
everything they had or
mortgaging their futures based on this
supposed
secret “Intel” . Granite, at times
some of these so called experts
may be
speaking to some folks who are working
over there in varied
capacities, but do you
really think any of them has super
operatives
located within any state
department that’s going to give them top
level
government secrets?..what would they
have to gain? Nothing. Now
don’t get me
wrong, the information and news articles
that are
published on a site like Just4Dinar
and many others are great for
people to
read, comment, and make up their own
minds on where they
think there investment
is going.

BUT when you get a supposed
GURU
changing the lives of people by
pumping them up on false hopes,
lies, and
bogus “Intel” day after day after day, then it
becomes
too much to bare.

Rilee:
How did TerryK get involved with the
Dinar
investment?

Hford:
My understanding is that my little
sister had
told him about the investment opportunity a
few years
back. He scoffed at it stating it
must be a scam. BTW, he just
recently
posted he is going to sue her for slander
when this thing
RV’s because she has spoken
out about the lies as well. Evidently
from
there, he invested a small amount and
started visiting Adams
site for more
information. My understanding is even the
“other”
Guru sites have booted him for one
reason or another..

Rilee:
Can
you tell me about his statements of
bank ownership, potential
ownership and
supposed properties he owns…

Hford:
Terryk has no
ownership, nor affiliations
with any banking institutions. Never
has.
Terry would like to have you believe these
statements in
order to gain further trust with
the investors to either send him
their Dinar,
pre-or post RV in some sort of investment
scam. You
see over the years, Terryk has
tried many different get rich quick
schemes
that have never panned out. Everything
from a supposed
Generator resale business,
local computer resale business, to trying
to
scam telecom services companies into
contracting his company
for installation. All
of them were to be these multi-million
dollar
deals which were a figment of his
imagination.
Rilee:
Sounds
like it’s been one scam or money
making scheme to the next?
Hford:
More
or less. He does own a small piece of
property which has sat vacant
for probably
close to 5 years now. Nothing ever
materialized there
even though week after
week he has been telling of some big
company
is going to be renting and the
money will be flowing. Sound familiar
to his
dinar postings? There is pattern to the
madness….
Rilee:
Does
sound familiar, lol….So where does he
get his supposed Intel for his
postings?
Hford:
I asked him that direct question one day and
his
answer was that he reads the other posts
and changes up the story
just enough to get
people listening. He has no “inside” contacts
or
high level sources. His statement was he
just knows where to find
the articles to make
it sound like he has some secret intel. Just
think
about it Rilee…..If he actually did,
then wouldn’t you think they
would be
risking their careers for TerryK to post on his
board?
And for what benefit would they be
risking this for? ……. I don’t
think so. It’s
made up. He reads enough to be dangerous
to others
health!
Rilee:
then why does he post these rumors, or why
even
get on these boards to get people all
pumped up about the investment?
Hford:
IMO,
I think he truly believes or is thinking
of some sort of scheme to
get people to
send him millions of dollars for him to invest
for
them once this investment hits based on
his bogus bank ownership
rumors. Again,
this just my opinion. How about the scheme
he was
floating around a few months back
over at CC.. Something about send
your
Dinar to him, and he will approach many
major banking
institutions to get you the
best return and long term investment..He
has
no more stroke than your pizza delivery
guy. Not sure why any so
called GURU
would place himself out there in the line of
fire
other than some sort of long term
personal gain plan. I think for a
large part
it’s about ego, someone is listening to him.
When he
goes into his chat room, his
“peeps” flounder over him.. he loves the
attention
and doesn’t care who he hurts on
his way
I am sure he truly
believes in the investment
like we all do, but there is an underlying
reason
for him to keep pumping the false
rumors.. Can’t figure that out
unless it’s just
pure ego that people are listening to him.
Rilee:
ok,
this one has to be the winner question,
why does he refer to himself
as Elvis? LoL
Hford:
lol, that’s a good question Rilee.. He has
always
been a huge fan, even collecting tons
of memorabilia, albums, etc..
He is truly a
fan.. Almost to the extent of grand delusion,
hence
the jumpsuit.. and no, just in case this
one comes out, there is no
relation to
Elvis!.. I am sure that’s no doubt been
posted
somewhere.
Rilee:
..umm..ok…. well how about the statement
that
he has made about being on staff within
a White House
Administration? True and if
so, which one?
Hford:
Totally
false.. Never has. His career has been
in the construction fields.
Believe me, if he
was, he would have bragged that one up
really
good over Christmas dinner. My
grandmother had a picture of JFK in
her
house, maybe that’s where that delusion
originated.
Rilee:
Maybe
better if we did a true or false as not
divulge too much information
on your part,
what do you think?
Hford:
Let’s do it..
Rilee:
True
or False: Does he own a gold mine?
Hford:
False, unless he can
produce the deed, I
would not believe that one!.. funny, why
would
you spend all your time job
searching, watching soaps and coming up
with
Dinar rumors if you owned a gold
mine?.. these are some strange
myths…
Rilee:
Did or does your father work for the CIA?
Hford:
OMG…..absolutely
not. Never did. Not sure
why he would claim this. Guess I am better
off
not knowing his answer!
Rilee:
Has TK ever been to Iraq?
Hford:
No,
false.. Never has
Rilee:
Was TerryK ever contact by some national
TV
Network for a post RV Interview?
Hford:
Do not know, however,
take it with the
other “myths” .. I doubt it.
Rilee:
Did TerryK
own CC before the issues over
there?
Hford:
No, grand delusion
Rilee:
So
why are you coming out now? How will
this affect your family?
Hford:
Well,
I had no intentions of letting anybody
know my relation to Terryk
until he decided
to make a statement on his last call. I was
content
on sitting in the shadows and
making my little comments here and
there
about trusting or knowing your source to
some folks who got
excited about his
predictions. My goal is not to bash Terryk,
but
rather to educate the investors out there
who are putting their
families, homes, life
savings at risk based on what he is saying. I
guess
this is more or less a rant on my part
for the investors to
investigate who you put
your trust in before investing your hard
earned
money or betting on your family’s
future with an unknown resource.
If they
are truly credible then you should be able to
look up
their personal or professional
information and research their
credibility.. A
person with delusional disorder may be high
functioning
in daily life and may not exhibit
odd or bizarre behavior aside from
these
delusions. The Diagnostic and Statistical
Manual of Mental
Disorders (DSM) defines
six subtypes of the disorder characterized as
erotomanic,
grandiose, jealous, persecutory,
somatic, and mixed, i.e., having
features of
more than one subtypes.
terryk:
ok here is what I’m
thinking ... most of us
have at least 1 mil dinar ... cash in maybe
3.5
mil each. if we each invested 250k that
would give us a BUNCH of
strength.
4000 peeps ... right?
zigmnstr:
it would open doors
we couldn’t on our
own....
terryk:
how would you like to be
part of that group
and have % shares!!
doninmaryland:
Elvis I
in Terry
Read more:
http://just4dinar..forum-motion.com/
just4dinar-chats-posted-f42/hford-chat-
with-rilee-august-9th-t9068.htm#
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AT SOME POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW OLD THESE TWO CHILDREN OF A LESSER GOD ARE????

BUT MORE THEN THAT, I WOULD BE CURIOUS IF EITHER OF YOU TWO PEOPLE HAVE EVER HEARD OF THE BIBLE AND JESUS CHRIST?

I THINK YOU TWO SHOULD REALLY SEEK SOME VERY SERIOUS PSYCHIATRIC HELP AND MOREOVER, DOES ANYONE IN THIS FAMILY KNOW A PASTOR OR A PRIEST?

YOU KNOW, I ALMOST WANTED TO CHEER FOR THIS HFORD GUY, FOR BEING SO FORTHCOMING AND TRUTHFUL ABOUT HIS BROTHER'S DISHONESTY AND POTENTIALLY FRAUDULENT BEHAVIOR AND THEN GOD SPOKE TO ME AS IF TO SAY, THAT I AM AND SO SHOULD YOU BE, YOUR BROTHER'S KEEPER.

YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY HFORD FOR YOUR BROTHER AND MORE THEN THAT, YOU REALLY SOUNDED IN THIS THING LIKE YOU WERE TAKING A GREAT DEAL OF PLEASURE IN OUTING YOUR BROTHER, AND DISCREDITING HIM, BUT SOMETHING TELLS ME THAT MAYBE THIS GOES WAY DEEPER THEN A BROTHERLY FEUD, DID ONE OF YOU STEEL A GIRLFRIEND FROM THE OTHER, OR ARE YOU BOTH THIS SAD AND HATEFUL TOWARDS EACH OTHER BY NATURE?

FINALLY, TERRYK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS REALLY TIME FOR YOU TO HAVE A COME TO JESUS EXPERIENCE BROTHER, BECAUSE WHAT YOUR BROTHER AND SISTER ARE IMPLICATING YOU IN AND SHARING HERE, COULD POTENTIALLY PUT YOU IN PRISON, AND ACTUALLY HELP YOU MEET SOME OF THESE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS YOU HAVE BEEN BRAGGING THAT YOU KNOW. BUT THE ONLY INTEREST THEY WILL HAVE IN THE DINAR (IQD) IS HOW THE DINAR AND THE THINGS YOU ARE SAYING COULD POTENTIALLY IMPLICATE YOU IN FRAUD AND OTHER VERY SERIOUS CRIMINAL BEHAVIORS HERE!

I AM SO SORRY FOR YOU BOTH AND EVEN MORE SO FOR YOUR MOTHER AND FATHER
AND THE REST OF YOUR FAMILY, SHAME ON YOU BOTH!

BTW, IT IS TIME THAT YOUR FAMILY FIND GOD AND CHRIST AND THEN MAYBE GET SOME COUNSELING AND SOME GOOD LEGAL HELP, YOU MAY VERY WELL NEED IT AND SOONER THEN YOU THINK!

JMO, AND JUST A SIMPLE MAN'S THOUGHTS, BUT I WILL PRAY YOU ALL FIND SOME HELP!
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Post by milleriniraq on Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:27 am

This is the serious danger of this "investment" and why it's so important to call "gurus" on the supposed intel that they hand out. That's why any form of questioning should be encouraged as it brings to light what is truth and what is speculation. Without a truly open forum where people are allowed to be offended sometimes is a good thing. These sites serve the same purpose as old time newspapers. They are declaring certain "truths" but are able to do it anonymously which is very dangerous. I don't know how many times I've had to state that there is no in country RV or that contractors are not getting paid in RV'd dinars. All the while, it continues and instead of being our brother's keeper, we turn into our brother's deceiver.

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Post by tport on Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:30 am

Why are we re-cycling this old information? He says vs she says. Who knows what the real motive was for this rant? I believe it is time to move on.

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Post by zonepirate on Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:11 am

@milleriniraq wrote:This is the serious danger of this "investment" and why it's so important to call "gurus" on the supposed intel that they hand out. That's why any form of questioning should be encouraged as it brings to light what is truth and what is speculation. Without a truly open forum where people are allowed to be offended sometimes is a good thing. These sites serve the same purpose as old time newspapers. They are declaring certain "truths" but are able to do it anonymously which is very dangerous. I don't know how many times I've had to state that there is no in country RV or that contractors are not getting paid in RV'd dinars. All the while, it continues and instead of being our brother's keeper, we turn into our brother's deceiver.

Totally agree. I just can't understand why so many people just follow blindly.

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Post by pygmalyn on Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:26 am

ROJO$... You really don't have an understanding how some families do have very dysfunctional people in them... and it isn't the fault of anybody else in the family.
People do have mental disorders... and create a great deal of chaos and pain in their families. There is nothing the rest of the family can do but distance themselves from the destructive element(s) these people bring into their lives.

Jesus Christ would know and understand this and have compassion on these brothers and this family. He would not cast shame upon Hford for trying to warn people about buying in to his brother's lies.

I also think you are taking huge leaps of assumption about the spiritual condition of each of the parties involved.

Even within the lives and families of believers in Christ, there are people with mental disorders.
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Post by sandwedge on Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:12 am

@milleriniraq wrote:This is the serious danger of this "investment" and why it's so important to call "gurus" on the supposed intel that they hand out. That's why any form of questioning should be encouraged as it brings to light what is truth and what is speculation. Without a truly open forum where people are allowed to be offended sometimes is a good thing. These sites serve the same purpose as old time newspapers. They are declaring certain "truths" but are able to do it anonymously which is very dangerous. I don't know how many times I've had to state that there is no in country RV or that contractors are not getting paid in RV'd dinars. All the while, it continues and instead of being our brother's keeper, we turn into our brother's deceiver.

I find myself always agreeing with you milleriniraq. Why people feel it is not OK to question a guru amazes me. Several of the gurus out there are not people with good intention. Heck, several even have criminal pasts. Are we to take their word that they are good people, and trust that they are people to lead us in a financial investment, without the ability to question them? Give me a break! When it comes to investments and money, out come the criminals, and peple that fully intend to lie to, deceive, and harm others solely for their benefit. The people that feel it is a bad thing to question a guru need to wake up a tad and realize that not everyone you are listening to, and trusting, has any intel at all. There is fabrication going on all over this investment as we have witnessed with people taking one gurus intel, switching it up a tad and spewing it out as if it were their own.

Be careful what and who you trust and believe in, because stories like TerryK's are no the only one's out there.

Go RI/RV..
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Post by Alchemist on Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:16 am

@tport wrote:Why are we re-cycling this old information? He says vs she says. Who knows what the real motive was for this rant? I believe it is time to move on.

Who do you listen to? Why? Is it alright if I answer with three questions?

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Post by Alchemist on Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:17 am

Please try to use this thread to 'process.'

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Post by ADMIN on Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:35 am

@sandwedge wrote:
@milleriniraq wrote:This is the serious danger of this "investment" and why it's so important to call "gurus" on the supposed intel that they hand out. That's why any form of questioning should be encouraged as it brings to light what is truth and what is speculation. Without a truly open forum where people are allowed to be offended sometimes is a good thing. These sites serve the same purpose as old time newspapers. They are declaring certain "truths" but are able to do it anonymously which is very dangerous. I don't know how many times I've had to state that there is no in country RV or that contractors are not getting paid in RV'd dinars. All the while, it continues and instead of being our brother's keeper, we turn into our brother's deceiver.

I find myself always agreeing with you milleriniraq. Why people feel it is not OK to question a guru amazes me. Several of the gurus out there are not people with good intention. Heck, several even have criminal pasts. Are we to take their word that they are good people, and trust that they are people to lead us in a financial investment, without the ability to question them? Give me a break! When it comes to investments and money, out come the criminals, and peple that fully intend to lie to, deceive, and harm others solely for their benefit. The people that feel it is a bad thing to question a guru need to wake up a tad and realize that not everyone you are listening to, and trusting, has any intel at all. There is fabrication going on all over this investment as we have witnessed with people taking one gurus intel, switching it up a tad and spewing it out as if it were their own.

Be careful what and who you trust and believe in, because stories like TerryK's are no the only one's out there.

Go RI/RV..

It is NEVER ... NOT... ok to question ANYONE... so long as its done in friendly way... we are just trying to create a pleasant atmosphere where all information can be shared without all the strife. . . .

A public forum is a place to allow for all opinions, with the ultimate goal of the members being able to access what they believe. Its hard to support ANYTHING as truth on the internet....

I personally know Hford, and know WHY he did the interview... and the thing is, he just didnt agree with what his brother was doing, and didnt want to expose him, but rather make others aware... he loves his brother, but couldnt sleep at night with not coming forward with the truth. I am glad that I was not in his position, that was a very hard decision to make.

AS for rehashing... that would be the seasoned dinar forum participant.... Please remember there are NEW investors every day.... its never a bad idea to bring these things to light for them. So when you read stuff that you just cant stomach to see again... please just dont read it, or you could come back with your view in a less complaining way, to try and help the new guy understand all sides....

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Post by wes on Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:41 am

@milleriniraq wrote:This is the serious danger of this "investment" and why it's so important to call "gurus" on the supposed intel that they hand out. That's why any form of questioning should be encouraged as it brings to light what is truth and what is speculation. Without a truly open forum where people are allowed to be offended sometimes is a good thing. These sites serve the same purpose as old time newspapers. They are declaring certain "truths" but are able to do it anonymously which is very dangerous. I don't know how many times I've had to state that there is no in country RV or that contractors are not getting paid in RV'd dinars. All the while, it continues and instead of being our brother's keeper, we turn into our brother's deceiver.
Well said. That's been my point as well. I get bashed for it but that's ok.
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Post by wes on Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:42 am

@sandwedge wrote:
@milleriniraq wrote:This is the serious danger of this "investment" and why it's so important to call "gurus" on the supposed intel that they hand out. That's why any form of questioning should be encouraged as it brings to light what is truth and what is speculation. Without a truly open forum where people are allowed to be offended sometimes is a good thing. These sites serve the same purpose as old time newspapers. They are declaring certain "truths" but are able to do it anonymously which is very dangerous. I don't know how many times I've had to state that there is no in country RV or that contractors are not getting paid in RV'd dinars. All the while, it continues and instead of being our brother's keeper, we turn into our brother's deceiver.

I find myself always agreeing with you milleriniraq. Why people feel it is not OK to question a guru amazes me. Several of the gurus out there are not people with good intention. Heck, several even have criminal pasts. Are we to take their word that they are good people, and trust that they are people to lead us in a financial investment, without the ability to question them? Give me a break! When it comes to investments and money, out come the criminals, and peple that fully intend to lie to, deceive, and harm others solely for their benefit. The people that feel it is a bad thing to question a guru need to wake up a tad and realize that not everyone you are listening to, and trusting, has any intel at all. There is fabrication going on all over this investment as we have witnessed with people taking one gurus intel, switching it up a tad and spewing it out as if it were their own.

Be careful what and who you trust and believe in, because stories like TerryK's are no the only one's out there.

Go RI/RV..
Well said as well sandwedge.
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Post by ADMIN on Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:45 am

@wes wrote:
@milleriniraq wrote:This is the serious danger of this "investment" and why it's so important to call "gurus" on the supposed intel that they hand out. That's why any form of questioning should be encouraged as it brings to light what is truth and what is speculation. Without a truly open forum where people are allowed to be offended sometimes is a good thing. These sites serve the same purpose as old time newspapers. They are declaring certain "truths" but are able to do it anonymously which is very dangerous. I don't know how many times I've had to state that there is no in country RV or that contractors are not getting paid in RV'd dinars. All the while, it continues and instead of being our brother's keeper, we turn into our brother's deceiver.
Well said. That's been my point as well. I get bashed for it but that's ok.

We are trying to get that resolved wes... if we watch how we present the information, and we do it by taking on the VIEW and not the actual PERSON... then we will be well on our way to accomplishing the goal.... Thanks!

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Post by openmind on Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:14 am

@sandwedge wrote:
@milleriniraq wrote:This is the serious danger of this "investment" and why it's so important to call "gurus" on the supposed intel that they hand out. That's why any form of questioning should be encouraged as it brings to light what is truth and what is speculation. Without a truly open forum where people are allowed to be offended sometimes is a good thing. These sites serve the same purpose as old time newspapers. They are declaring certain "truths" but are able to do it anonymously which is very dangerous. I don't know how many times I've had to state that there is no in country RV or that contractors are not getting paid in RV'd dinars. All the while, it continues and instead of being our brother's keeper, we turn into our brother's deceiver.

I find myself always agreeing with you milleriniraq. Why people feel it is not OK to question a guru amazes me. Several of the gurus out there are not people with good intention. Heck, several even have criminal pasts. Are we to take their word that they are good people, and trust that they are people to lead us in a financial investment, without the ability to question them? Give me a break! When it comes to investments and money, out come the criminals, and peple that fully intend to lie to, deceive, and harm others solely for their benefit. The people that feel it is a bad thing to question a guru need to wake up a tad and realize that not everyone you are listening to, and trusting, has any intel at all. There is fabrication going on all over this investment as we have witnessed with people taking one gurus intel, switching it up a tad and spewing it out as if it were their own.

Be careful what and who you trust and believe in, because stories like TerryK's are no the only one's out there.

Go RI/RV..

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Post by Alchemist on Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:19 am

In otherwords, no ad hominem attacks.

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Post by Alchemist on Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:26 am

When you become the steward of large sums of money, how will you do? You will need the critical faculties to be able to contemplate all sides of an issue, not just what makes you feel good. You must make decisions. To do this, you need all available information. You must learn all the aspects of your operation and keep an accurate accounting. Even the mistakes must be accounted, chronicled and reviewed so they are not repeated. You must be blatently honest with yourself, and kindly honest with others.

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Post by Kevind53 on Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:30 am

@Alchemist wrote:When you become the steward of large sums of money, how will you do? You will need the critical faculties to be able to contemplate all sides of an issue, not just what makes you feel good. You must make decisions. To do this, you need all available information. You must learn all the aspects of your operation and keep an accurate accounting. Even the mistakes must be accounted, chronicled and reviewed so they are not repeated. You must be blatently honest with yourself, and kindly honest with others.

Amen! Good words ... I am reminded of Abraham Lincoln who put his greatest rivals into his cabinet. He didn't want yes men, but intelligent men who were not afraid to disagree. Someone, I don't remember who said keep your friends close and your enemies even closer. There is wisdom in that, and wisdom in listening to differing view points. In one sense that is the essence of a good leader -- something this country unfortunately lacks right now -- a good leader can listen to differing viewpoints, and act decisively based not upon preconceptions but the facts presented. A great leader does that and is able to persuade even those who disagree to follow. JMHO

Miske made some great points as well, most of all It's OK to disagree, just do it in a way that does not attack or tear down. Can you spell kindly? I know you can.... Laughing

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Post by zonepirate on Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:55 pm

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We are trying to get that resolved wes... if we watch how we present the information, and we do it by taking on the VIEW and not the actual PERSON... then we will be well on our way to accomplishing the goal.... Thanks!

Well put!!

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Post by Alchemist on Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:29 pm

On bashing...

'Intel' is an especially volatile subject for various reasons. Some idividuals have accepted the possibility of a 1000:1 increase in investment as an inevitable fact, and an RV sooner than longer more plausible than not.

I don't think that these strong reactions are rooted in anger, mean spirit, or disdain for others. Many react because they see you as a thief in their 'house.' They do not welcome you as a 'guest' and treat you with respect because you are there to carry out all their goods.

I try to entertain all, for each comes with a special message for me. There is nothing I have that does not belong to God. So if you see what I mean, don't let entertaining friends trouble you. I address this to all.

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@milleriniraq wrote:This is the serious danger of this "investment" and why it's so important to call "gurus" on the supposed intel that they hand out. That's why any form of questioning should be encouraged as it brings to light what is truth and what is speculation. Without a truly open forum where people are allowed to be offended sometimes is a good thing. These sites serve the same purpose as old time newspapers. They are declaring certain "truths" but are able to do it anonymously which is very dangerous. I don't know how many times I've had to state that there is no in country RV or that contractors are not getting paid in RV'd dinars. All the while, it continues and instead of being our brother's keeper, we turn into our brother's deceiver.
Well said. That's been my point as well. I get bashed for it but that's ok.

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